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[Shaanyboi]

You guys don't get it, you see, at the very very very end of TPM Palpatine says he'll watch Anakin's career with great interest, and even though the two have no iterations in episode II, and if they do they're so quick I forgot, that one singular lines overrides the entire point of ObiWan.

Woah woah woah, now let's be fair, Anakin and Palpatine talk once in Episode II and exchange like maybe three lines...

But these clearly overrides his and Obi-Wan's relationship.

Because it's still a strong movie full of great scenes and truths despite its incidental failings and because I'm not one to succumb to hyperbole.

lol what truths? What truths about the human condition did this movie unveil?

 

[Crossing Eden]

Because it's still a strong movie full of great scenes and truths despite its incidental failings and because I'm not one to succumb to hyperbole.

It's literally not hyperbole though. It's bad, it's the least bad, but still bad, there are like a couple scenes that I would deem passable from a filmmaking standard but take away the vfx and the film is high school level writing and pacing. And what truths are you even talking about?? The film didn't say jack shit that was pertinent to our society.

 

[Neff]

Great scenes...?

Every scene with Anakin and Palpatine together is fantastic.

There's some other scenes I'm fond of too, but some I couldn't defend even if I wanted to. I would however defend 80-90% of both TPM and AotC. Like I said, Sith is the weakest of Lucas' SW movies by some margin, but when it's good, it's very, very good. And I tend to judge art by what it does well rather than what it doesn't.

 

[Sephzilla]

Every scene with Anakin and Palpatine together is fantastic.

There's some other scenes I'm fond of too, but some I couldn't defend even if I wanted to. I would however defend 80-90% of both TPM and AotC. Like I said, Sith is the weakest of Lucas' SW movies by some margin, but when it's good, it's very, very good. And I tend to judge art by what it does well rather than what it doesn't.

That scene with them talking while Padme's combing her hair?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Thanks for the poll!

I wonder how long Disney waits until they let someone else take a stab at "The Downfall of Anakin Skywalker"

because that story deserves justice on the big screen, not the three turds Lucas gave us. it's not difficult, either.

Sadly we won't get that until Disney reboots the whole franchise. Which they will do, no doubt about it. Just not for awhile.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Look just because Attack of the Clones is the absolute worst a massive blockbuster movie can possibly get given the production scale and the amount of work and talent put into it doesn't mean Ep3 isn't a shitpile

 

[Sunster]

It's just bad.

 

[Imperfected]

Because it's still a strong movie full of great scenes and truths

I know everyone else is focusing on the other part of your statement because their brains are defensively rejecting whatever cosmic horror inherently underlies this part, but I have to know:

What in the name of god does this even mean?

 

[Jito]

I know everyone else is focusing on the other part of your statement because their brains are defensively rejecting whatever cosmic horror inherently underlies this part, but I have to know:

What in the name of god does this even mean?

The truth that Anakin was a weak fool who basically got tricked into becoming Darth Vader.

That's what everyone wanted to see in the prequels right? Right? Not a badass who was seduced by power, but a weak minded fool who was tricked by the most obvious bad guy in existence.

 

[Neff]

I know everyone else is focusing on the other part of your statement because their brains are defensively rejecting whatever cosmic horror inherently underlies this part, but I have to know:

What in the name of god does this even mean?

Whatever resonates I guess...

 

[aBarreras]

maybe they are bad but i love them, so fuck it

 

[Toa TAK]

Look just because Attack of the Clones is the absolute worst a massive blockbuster movie can possibly get given the production scale and the amount of work and talent put into it-

Actually that's Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.

But your point still stands.

Spoiler

Gimmie yer face

 

[Imperfected]

Whatever resonates I guess...

That's... that's not what "truth" means.

It's a sci-fi fantasy story set in a completely fictional universe, centering on impossible events happening to made-up characters. You should seriously question whatever "truths" you think it has unfurled before you by way of its dark and esoteric rituals.

 

[RoadHazard]

It's certainly much better than the two trainwrecks that came before it. Decent, even. But I wouldn't place it anywhere near the company of IV-VII.

 

[Beren the Empty-Handed]

I think AOTC gets too much hate. If you compartmentalize every scene in the prequels and ignore the dumb stuff, there's a lot of awesome scenes, albeit mostly action scenes.

I'm sure your intentions are well-meaning and you're just trying to get people to see the positive side of things, but this is a terrible way to both accomplish that and to critique art. Art must be viewed as a whole, from different perspectives, to be properly analyzed. This is important, because a discussion is required to do that, and discussion and sharing experiences are two of art's great virtues. Dismissing a piece of a work is your choice, but it is the antithesis of meaningful review. In the case of telling a story as an art form, how the pieces connect and play into each other is probably one of the most important aspects of the work as a whole. Asking someone to simply ignore that part is asking someone to not properly judge the thing as a whole. To actually ask someone to compartmentalize a film into safe pieces is ludicrous.

If you want to point out that there are good things in spite of the bad, do so. But telling people that there are good bits so please don't shit on the bad bits seems overly defensive and exclusionary to proper criticism. It's the same kind of picking and choosing justification that is so often lambasted elsewhere on this very board.

 

[inm8num2]

god this fight is fucking awful

This part makes me laugh every time. It's like SLJ was just walking forward on a green screen and casually swinging at nothing in particular.

 

[mcz117chief]

definitely better than Thor 2. Probably the best of the prequels. It's generally a fun movie. Still not sure if I would put it before or after 7. Pretty much all the lightsaber fights in this movie are insufferable though.

 

[Anth0ny]

This part makes me laugh every time. It's like SLJ was just walking forward on a green screen and casually swinging at nothing in particular.

I can just picture George slouching in his chair watching it.

"Yeah cut that's good Sam, that's fine. Who wants lunch?"

 

[Neff]

It's a sci-fi fantasy story set in a completely fictional universe, centering on impossible events happening to made-up characters.

And yet it's the most popular piece of fiction since The Bible. So for better or worse it's probably imparting some sort of wisdom people respond to.

Still, I wouldn't worry. Anyone who actually pays attention to what the movies are trying to say will discover that they're fairly wholesome and of honourable intent.

 

[Imperfected]

And yet it's the most popular piece of fiction since The Bible. So for better or worse it's probably imparting some sort of wisdom people respond to.

Still, I wouldn't worry. Anyone who actually pays attention to what the movies are trying to say will discover that they're fairly wholesome and of honourable intent.

The character who was ostensibly the protagonist of at least the second movie in the series murdered a bunch of kids because he got confused about politics.

Anakin's basically a pizzagater.

 

[Surfinn]

noooooo is pretty fucking bad just because it's mother fucking vader in the mother fucking suit saying it.


but "only a sith deals in absolutes" might just take the cake. like FUCK.

or "from my point of view the jedi are evil". A TIER BAD GUY WRITING RIGHT THERE

What's wrong with the absolutes line?

 

[Roders5]

It's like it was made by people who never made a film before and had never seen the OT. They just ticked off a list of things they heard a film needs, Characters, Scenes, Effects, Dialog etc. There was no thought or skill put into how these things meshed together to create a coherent piece of entertainment. Every single aspect was a failure (except music of course).

It's baffling to me how nobody during the whole process of making the movie could see how incompetent everything was, especially after reading endlessly how shit the first two were. So strange.

 

[Imperfected]

What's wrong with the absolutes line?

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes," is, in fact, an absolute statement.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes," is, in fact, an absolute statement.

I can't believe no one pointed this out to Lucas. Like, this is high school English shit...

 

[Neff]

The character who was ostensibly the protagonist of at least the second movie in the series murdered a bunch of kids because he got confused about politics.

Anakin's basically a pizzagater.

Well Anakin is the 'here's what you don't do with your life' character in the 'how to be fucked over by everyone ever' story of Star Wars, surely?

 

[ryseing]

I can't believe no one pointed this out to Lucas. Like, this is high school English shit...

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes," is, in fact, an absolute statement.

I have to believe that was the point. Like, the Jedi were so full of themselves they could say lines like that and truly mean it.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I have to believe that was the point. Like, the Jedi were so full of themselves they could say lines like that and truly mean it.

So the point of the finale of ROTS is between two people we're supposed to think are "just as bad?" Yeahhh no. Because frankly the Jedi at no point during these movies are really framed as being "full of themselves".

 

[Biske]

This part makes me laugh every time. It's like SLJ was just walking forward on a green screen and casually swinging at nothing in particular.

The light saber fights are all so god awful.

The only one that actually had some tension was Phantom Menace at the end cause you could just feel Qui Gon was gonna bite it but were hoping and the set piece and music was cool.

Every other one... schlocky terrible boring shit. "LOOK HOW FAST WE CAN SWING THIS SHIT AROUND!!! ALSO EVERYONE FUCKING FLIPS!"


One of the triumphs of Force Awakens was they did the light saber stuff right. Kylo Ren going against Finn and then Rey, that was fucking great.

 

[NandoGip]

I think it's fine. Just fine. Not really something I'd watch more than once or twice.

 

[aBarreras]

So the point of the finale of ROTS is between two people we're supposed to think are "just as bad?" Yeahhh no. Because frankly the Jedi at no point during these movies are really framed as being "full of themselves".

what? thats the whole point of the prequels too, is the constant frustration of anakin with the jedi and jedi councils, being denied the master title or being in the council, the jedi are a bunch of assholes to anakin

 

[Jeffolation]

I thought it curious that SLJ showed up to arrest The Emperor with a bunch of what had to be trainees. The amount of fight those dudes didn't put up...

 

[Shaanyboi]

what? thats the whole point of the prequels too, is the constant frustration of anakin with the jedi and jedi councils, being denied the master title or being in the council, the jedi are a bunch of assholes to anakin

How are they being dicks? The only reason Anakin is being put on the council is because a government official told them to do it. It doesn't somehow mean he's worthy of being a 'master'.

Anakin never accepts blame for any of his own shit. Even fucking Padme brushes off his murdering of an entire village as "aww you're just angry."

 

[aBarreras]

How are they being dicks? The only reason Anakin is being put on the council is because a government official told them to do it. It doesn't somehow mean he's worthy of being a 'master'.

the very first thing the jedi council do to anakin, is deny him being trained as a jedi, he only became one becaue qui gon doesnt give a fuck about the jedi council, and make obi wan promise him he will train him if he dies

 

[IrishNinja]

it's more entertaining than the slog that was Phantom Menace, but far more disappointing on so many levels since it was supposed to be the payoff that you sat through 3 bad films to get to

 

[Shaanyboi]

the very first thing the jedi council do to anakin, is deny him being trained as a jedi, he only became one becaue qui gon doesnt give a fuck about the jedi council, and make obi wan promise him he will train him if he dies

They deny him because he's too old and already has attachments. Which is made completely fucking valid when he obsesses about his mom, and then murders an entire village. The Jedi may be a bunch of boring fucking characters to base your movie around, but at no point are any of their decisions towards Anakin "dickish".

 

[aBarreras]

They deny him because he's too old and already has attachments. Which is made completely fucking valid when he obsesses about his mom, and then murders an entire village.

so was obi wan according to the empire strikes back, i wont deny anakin's problem, but he has every reason to recent them and believe they are a bunch of assholes, which they kinda are to him

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

Here's a question about a great scene:

When Mace Windu knocks down Palpatine and deflects Palps' force lightning back at him with his purple light saber, and Palpatine's face turns into cooked ham, is Sheev really that weak and he actually got disfigured? Or is that his true form after spending so much time on the dark side (so his normal face in TPM and AOTC is just a disguise) and he was just acting weak and pretending Windu disfigured him to give Anakin an other reason to hate the Jedi?

I always thought it was the latter.

 

[Shaanyboi]

so was obi wan according to the empire strikes back, i wont deny anakin's problem, but he has every reason to recent them and believe they are a bunch of assholes, which they kinda are to him

Again, no they're not. Please point out when they are being assholes. Anakin is a petulant fucking whiner who has no actual basis to justify the Jedi being corrupt.

Luke only gets trained because there is literally nobody fucking else left and he's Vader's son.

Here's a question about a great scene:

When Mace Windu knocks down Palpatine and deflects Palps' force lightning back at him with his purple light saber, and Palpatine's face turns into cooked ham, is Sheev really that weak and he actually got disfigured? Or is that his true form after spending so much time on the dark side (so his normal face in TPM and AOTC is just a disguise) and he was just acting weak and pretending Windu disfigured him to give Anakin an other reason to hate the Jedi?

I always thought it was the latter.

The dude is a fucking Sith Lord who played a galactic government to engage in a war causing countless deaths to facilitate his own rise to power. Who cares if he gets disfigured?

But maybe Anakin was extra pissed because now he's like "I HAVE TO STARE AT THIS FUCKING SHIT NOW?! THIS GOD AWFUL PROSTHETIC MASK?! FUCK YOU, MACE!"

 

[Psychoward]

I think AOTC gets too much hate. If you compartmentalize every scene in the prequels and ignore the dumb stuff, there's a lot of awesome scenes, albeit mostly action scenes.

ROTS probably has the best of those 'good' scenes, but AOTC has a lot of them too.

TPM has an awesome intro, the pod race and the duel of the fates.

All three have almost equally amazing music.

You should probably watch aotc again

I rewatched the clones part recently and was stunned at how bad it looked, thought it was the cartoon for a bit

The original trilogy holds up better, but that's mostly props and whatnot.

 

[Shaanyboi]

You should probably watch aotc again

I rewatched the clones part recently and was stunned at how bad it looked, thought it was the cartoon for a bit

What the fuck do they even use this space for? It's just walkways and pillars. Is there like a vending machine anywhere? Or is there like a training ground? Are there benches for people to just chill?

God the prequels are fucking ugly

 

[Psychoward]

What the fuck do they even use this space for? It's just walkways and pillars. Is there like a vending machine anywhere? Or is there like a training ground? Are there benches for people to just chill?

God the prequels are fucking ugly

I just rewatched ANH the other week and outside of the fight above the trench run it holds up well. It's legitimately hilarious how a movie from 1977 visually out classes the sequels made almost 3 decades later by the same director.

 

[Gattsu25]

Fascinating scene.

I just rewatched this. It's more hamfisted and worse acted than every scene with Tywin Lannister from Game of Thrones.

Edit: to clarify I mean that Charles Dance's Tywin Lannister is heads and shoulders above Palpatine in this scene, even in his minor appearances. This scene from RotS stands out because it is better acted that most of the prequels, but the acting here is still lacking especially when compared to the works of a veteran actor like Dance.

 

[Psychoward]

I just rewatched this. It's more hamfisted and worse acted than every scene with Tywin Lannister from Game of Thrones.

Tryna say the Twin scenes were bad mate? But yeah I agree if the Palpatine scenes are the examples of good scenes from ROTS... lol.

Besides the acting and writing being shitty, the scene itself is boring. It's just shot reverse shot in a boring, static cgi background. Awful.

 

[CD'S BAR]

Here's a question about a great scene:

When Mace Windu knocks down Palpatine and deflects Palps' force lightning back at him with his purple light saber, and Palpatine's face turns into cooked ham, is Sheev really that weak and he actually got disfigured? Or is that his true form after spending so much time on the dark side (so his normal face in TPM and AOTC is just a disguise) and he was just acting weak and pretending Windu disfigured him to give Anakin an other reason to hate the Jedi?

I always thought it was the latter.

It's because making him look like his ROTJ self before his "reveal" wouldn't be enough of a disguise so they needed a quick way to make him monstrous.

 

[Gattsu25]

Tryna say the Twin scenes were bad mate? But yeah I agree if the Palpatine scenes are the examples of good scenes from ROTS... lol.

Besides the acting and writing being shitty, the scene itself is boring. It's just shot reverse shot in a boring, static cgi background. Awful.

The Palpatine scene is being held up as some sort of example of subtle characterization and acting, which is something that can actually be found in Charles Dance's depiction of Tywin Lannister. And yet, Dance wipes the floor with palpatine even in the scenes where he has no dialog and is only present for a few seconds.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Tryna say the Twin scenes were bad mate? But yeah I agree if the Palpatine scenes are the examples of good scenes from ROTS... lol.

Besides the acting and writing being shitty, the scene itself is boring. It's just shot reverse shot in a boring, static cgi background. Awful.

Frankly, this background is probably one of the most interesting in the movie with the weird water shit and the people swimming inside. And then you have that theory that Palpatine created Anakin with the force, and it goes from a sorta cool image to some Zack Snyder-level subtlety...

 

[Biske]

Here's a question about a great scene:

When Mace Windu knocks down Palpatine and deflects Palps' force lightning back at him with his purple light saber, and Palpatine's face turns into cooked ham, is Sheev really that weak and he actually got disfigured? Or is that his true form after spending so much time on the dark side (so his normal face in TPM and AOTC is just a disguise) and he was just acting weak and pretending Windu disfigured him to give Anakin an other reason to hate the Jedi?

I always thought it was the latter.

After reading around online, some people brought up the fact that Luke got the shit shocked out of him and it didnt melt his face, so the idea isn't that he was disfigured, but that he was old as shit and had some kind of dark side mojo going to cover it up, but when he was getting shocked he either got tired and couldn't keep the mojo up, or thought it would be a good time to drop the mojo to play to Anakin's sympathies.


In reality, George probably just didn't give a fuck and was like "Hmmm gotta make this tie into the original stuff... oh I got it, face melted by his own force lightning. Nailed it!

 

[eot]

That scene?!

The order 66 scene is cheesy and not good. If you like it you are part of the problem.

 

[DedValve]

lol what truths? What truths about the human condition did this movie unveil?

Only the sith deal in absolutes.

It unveiled the true nature of humans. In this post truth extremist hyperbolic world, only we deal in absolutes.

 

[eot]

It's like it was made by people who never made a film before and had never seen the OT. They just ticked off a list of things they heard a film needs, Characters, Scenes, Effects, Dialog etc. There was no thought or skill put into how these things meshed together to create a coherent piece of entertainment. Every single aspect was a failure (except music of course).

It's baffling to me how nobody during the whole process of making the movie could see how incompetent everything was, especially after reading endlessly how shit the first two were. So strange.

Some people think it's good. Like OP.