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Is it time to accept Revenge of the Sith as "one of the good" SW films? SPOILERS
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You are wasting your time trying to convince the GAF Hive. They are stuck in their ways. I've been saying RotS is the best SW film by a large margin for AGES!!!
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Lmfao let's just pretend that TFA was hated instead of incredibly well received by both critics and audiences. Post truths aren't gonna win ITT.
It's not the GAF hive, it's the general consensus among audiences, even young ones who shouldn't know better, older audiences, critics, and anyone who has the most basic idea of what makes a good film. It's a shit movie. It's certainly not aging well, and it wasn't that good even as someone who was young enough to just be in it for the lightsaber fights.
People have been disliking the prequel trilogy since probably before GAF was a thing.
Going CG heavy especially in Episodes 2 and 3 is going to really doom these movies and make them age terribly compared to the original trilogy. Episode 2's CG looked rough even when it came out.
It's nuts how The Emperor's makeup in ROTS is worse than his ROTJ makeup
I dislike literally everything about the Emperor post ROTJ. A ruined character.
He looks so goddamn stupid in ROTS. I absolutely hate how they explain away his looks in ROTJ "becuz self-inflicted electrocution."
yanipheonu
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I genuinely would like to know what its like to actually think, "Ewoks, that's OK. Prequels, I can handle it. Force Awakens? Ruined forever."
Doesn't seem particularly defensible to me, honestly.
Imperfected
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Listen, guys. The prequels are the best Star Wars, Dark Souls 2 is the best Soulsborne game, and Metal Gear Solid 2 is the best MGS.
If I just keep creating a new thread asserting these things every four weeks they will become true eventually, right? That's how post-truth media works, I think.
If I just keep creating a new thread asserting these things every four weeks they will become true eventually, right? That's how post-truth media works, I think.
Peter Ian Staker
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Yes, as was Ep3. Talk about jumping the gun with digital photography.
Seems like for the people who were super-into Star Wars and disappointed by TFA's retreads or whatnot, it's mostly the nostalgia goggles finally falling off. A lot of those flaws were in the originals too, it's just been magnified in TFA and now you aren't young enough to overlook it.
As for ROTS, I think it gets a bad rap along with the rest of the prequels as being utter trash, but despite some compelling scenes and effective set pieces, it ultimately still failed at the only real point the prequels had to hit going into things: sell Anakin turning bad. And it got close in parts, missed the mark widely in others, and ultimately didn't work well at all. So that alone pretty much dooms it in the sense of the wider universe.
There were great things in ROTS regarding the appeal of authoritarianism, the failure of the council, and how you could see Anakin turning "evil" in that sense. But as part of the big problem with a lot of the prequel trilogy, Lucas added tons of political intrigue into Star Wars without actually seeming to understand politics at all.
So your choice is either TFA which is rehashed Ep 4, or Ep 1-3 which on paper had tons of promise and options to really deepen the universe but ended up mostly being parodied for Jar Jar, bad reactions, and cringey romance lines.
To be fair, a lot of the CG and effects in today's movies, even if they were shot at film, are rendered at a pretty low resolution, definitely less than 4K in most instances. Those aren't going to hold up very well long-term either. The Star Wars prequels just hit at that awkward roughly-10-year span where filmmakers were using CG in places where the CG wasn't going to hold up. A lot of the late 90s/early 2000s films have stuff like that.
I wound up watching this to clear up some plot points between this and Catalyst before seeing Rogue One.
My answer: NO
This movie really didn't hold up at all. There is a level of cheese that the OT didn't come close to touching. There are a bunch of terribly stupid plot points - not necessarily holes, just really stupid things that happen that make no sense if you think about it (Obi-Wan not knowing where Anakin is because he doesn't want to watch the security video, therefore putting Padme in danger, 2 Jedi in defensive stance getting wiped out by Sidious without a single defensive move, Padme not knowing she has twins somehow, everyone just standing there while Padme dies, etc.) Even the duels have some incredibly nonsensical parts.
The worst thing about the movie, I'm afraid to say is Natalie Portman. I've loved Natalie Portman since Beautiful Girls and she's a great actress. This is not in question. Somehow in the movie George Lucas made her look like an acting school dropout.
Edit: whoa, this is from Ep 2? Looks like it was pulled from the Clone Wars cartoon.
My answer: NO
This movie really didn't hold up at all. There is a level of cheese that the OT didn't come close to touching. There are a bunch of terribly stupid plot points - not necessarily holes, just really stupid things that happen that make no sense if you think about it (Obi-Wan not knowing where Anakin is because he doesn't want to watch the security video, therefore putting Padme in danger, 2 Jedi in defensive stance getting wiped out by Sidious without a single defensive move, Padme not knowing she has twins somehow, everyone just standing there while Padme dies, etc.) Even the duels have some incredibly nonsensical parts.
The worst thing about the movie, I'm afraid to say is Natalie Portman. I've loved Natalie Portman since Beautiful Girls and she's a great actress. This is not in question. Somehow in the movie George Lucas made her look like an acting school dropout.
Edit: whoa, this is from Ep 2? Looks like it was pulled from the Clone Wars cartoon.
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It was actually sub-1080 IIRC
Sir Ilpalazzo
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Well, there's a fair argument to be made for that last one, at least.
He did that to all the actors. Some just got a worse deal than others and got handed even shittier dialogue and direction.
You can watch some behind the scenes stuff of Lucas coaching the actors and telling them what to do and its fucking awful.
I watched Jumper last night, to get a handle on what kind of acting Hayden can do.
And Jumper isn't the greatest movie, and he isn't the greatest actor, but that movie is about a million times better acted than anything in Episodes 2 and 3.
Even has Samuel L in it, putting in a better performance.
Most of these actors are pretty good, but being directed by Lucas and having to read his shitty dialogue, really really REALLY paints them unfairly, even the weaker ones like Hayden.
Yeah this is not a result of the GAF hive mind. The films are just objectively fucking terrible.People have been disliking the prequel trilogy since probably before GAF was a thing.
Going CG heavy especially in Episodes 2 and 3 is going to really doom these movies and make them age terribly compared to the original trilogy. Episode 2's CG looked rough even when it came out.
And yeah that gif gets passed around a lot but it never gets any less visually cringy.
Oh come on don't be so hard on unreleased footage to the sequel of Rebel Strike!
I love the movie for the sole existence of the mustafar fght scene. Great memories of making fun of the dialogue in that sequence with friends.
brandonh83
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Not saying "your opinion is wrong" or "you can't enjoy that film" just pointing out that objectively it's difficult to call them good movies. I like films that are objectively bad too.It's all fun and games until "your opinion is objectively wrong!"
ProtomanNeo
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For people hating on the CG in the Prequels understand that these films also essentially had to serve as a demo reel for what could be possible. Lucasfilm (ILM) needed to also sell the services of ILM to prospective studios / filmmakers. Which they did. There could be no Davy Jones in Pirates without Jar Jar. That's the price of running a company and being a filmmaker.
Is the same movie as EP4 man, I mean I cant just say "oh hey some wink wink our way thats cool" I just cant.
I take Ewoks any day instead of that remake.
Here's my way of demonstrating that the prequels are not at all respected by the larger population.
Any well loved movie or franchise gets endlessly quoted and referenced and Star Wars must be right at the top of the pile. Think of all the times in your life you've seen the OT referenced in other movies, tv shows, internet forums, conversations etc. It must be tens of thousands of times, and 95% of the time it's done lovingly with a wink and a nod.
The prequels however only ever get quoted or referenced when they are being made fun of. They're always the butt of the joke. There's no love or respect there.
I take that as further proof that they suck.
Any well loved movie or franchise gets endlessly quoted and referenced and Star Wars must be right at the top of the pile. Think of all the times in your life you've seen the OT referenced in other movies, tv shows, internet forums, conversations etc. It must be tens of thousands of times, and 95% of the time it's done lovingly with a wink and a nod.
The prequels however only ever get quoted or referenced when they are being made fun of. They're always the butt of the joke. There's no love or respect there.
I take that as further proof that they suck.
Kai Dracon
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The opening space battle is really well done visually with great pans and really creates a sense of scale over a planet. It's also a ton of fun, right down to the crash landing at the end.
Otherwise Anakin remains a terrible character with terrible writing down to quantum level of his very being, so no sale.
Otherwise Anakin remains a terrible character with terrible writing down to quantum level of his very being, so no sale.
MisterAnderson
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Can someone post the "Sith Lords are our specialty" gif where Obi Wan says the line then it cuts to them getting owned back to back to back?
CaviarMeths
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ILM would have gotten work just fine if they didn't put PS2 cutscenes in Attack of the Clones. They've been one of the premier effects studios for decades. Their only real competition in the industry when it comes to big budget films are Weta Digital.
brandonh83
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I can run with that, at least on the first two. There's too many problems in them to argue about, but I still like a lot of elements about AOTC, and I think ROTS is legitimately good even with it having some of the same issues. It was just to a much lesser degree IMO.
But yeah, like I used to stick up for TPM but when I rewatched it a year ago or something I was like Jesus Christ. I still like PARTS of it, I like the general story, the creativity, imagination, action and music. But then you have a lot of the dialogue, performances, some bad CGI sequences like the droid and Gungan battle... just a lot of bad there.
AOTC at least has the cool Kenobi subplot, a real sense of foreboding in the atmosphere and I genuinely loved everything on Tatooine with Anakin trying to find his mom, I thought all of that was just damn well done. I think Lucas just knows how to shoot and tell stories on Tatooine for some reason.
ROTS had far less problems for me though, I can mostly get through it without complaining about too much and I think the pacing is excellent among other things. My biggest beef with ROTS will always be Natalie Portman because her performance was integral to how much the emotional tissue worked, and she sunk it on such a level that I felt like she was almost trying to do so.
Many seem to dislike Hayden, but I actually didn't at all, and it was always Portman for me that just wasn't doing it. Like when she's being choked, like, wow. Fucking serious. And part of it of course is Lucas who should NOT have accepted a lot of those takes. Still, Ewan and Hayden were good for me most of the time. Natalie though. Fuck.
Lasthope106
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I never had an issue with this movie. All the haters can suck it. Maybe it was because I saw it as a young adult full of angst and I could relate to how Anakin felt, and his fall from grace. I knew that he was going to become Vader, and I remember being gut wrenched when it happened. Sure some things could have been better, but damn did I leave that theater filled with emotion and it stuck with me for days.
It's been a decade since I last saw it, but I just want to say that it's among the top Star Wars movies for me.
It's been a decade since I last saw it, but I just want to say that it's among the top Star Wars movies for me.
brandonh83
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Dude I promise it's best to just say why you like it and that you acknowledge problems, it just makes forum life so much easier.
Also I expect better from the Revenge of the Sith Defense Force. I'm Captain around these parts and I demand some integrity, soldier.
God, the posing Kenobi reveal in the background and Anakin's reaction and Padme's reaction to his reaction. Straight out of a fucking soap opera. First time I saw that I was legitimately waiting for Anakin to accuse her of cheating on him! I don't even know what to call it. The tone? The tone was completely off on how Lucas wanted to convey this scene.
"Yall just hatin!" Yeah, sure. Very convincing argument you have there.
How is TFA more focus tested to death to sell merchendising than the fucking prequel trilogy that only exists because Lucas wanted to sell new designs for his toys lines?
If this was a passion project why the fuck wait 20 years being surrounded by yes-men?
It's not the tech that made him wait considering the laughable use of SFX on display here.
And seriously they put fucking tie-ins to the OT EVERYWHERE to make fans happy.
Why is Chewbacca in the PT? Didn't he suffer enough with the Holyday special?
If this was a passion project why the fuck wait 20 years being surrounded by yes-men?
It's not the tech that made him wait considering the laughable use of SFX on display here.
And seriously they put fucking tie-ins to the OT EVERYWHERE to make fans happy.
Why is Chewbacca in the PT? Didn't he suffer enough with the Holyday special?
Remember when Boba Fett was a 10 year old kid, ridin' along in his evil dad's space murders? Somehow they managed to make Boba Fett even lamer than he already was.
I guess it's bit more interesting than the other two prequels but every time I see it the only thing that I can think of is: you wanted to do a trilogy about the fall of Anakin Skywalker...and THIS is the best you could think of? The other two films are bad but everything was leading to THIS? Yeah, something not completely forgettable is finally happening, but did you really need 6+ hours of terrible movies to get to this point? Was it really worthy? It's a bit better but at the same time it's the most disappointing.
The Phantom Menace is bad but it's sort of harmless in the grand scheme of things, it's a (way) worse version of Return of the Jedi but it still feels kind of like a Star Wars film (for very young and dumb kids). And if you hate it that much, good news! It's basically filler. I can't find any reedeming qualities whatsover for Attack of the Clones though, except "Across the Stars" which is really good
Personal final verdict: TPM>ROTS>AOTC
The Phantom Menace is bad but it's sort of harmless in the grand scheme of things, it's a (way) worse version of Return of the Jedi but it still feels kind of like a Star Wars film (for very young and dumb kids). And if you hate it that much, good news! It's basically filler. I can't find any reedeming qualities whatsover for Attack of the Clones though, except "Across the Stars" which is really good
Personal final verdict: TPM>ROTS>AOTC
Psychoward
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If you had a star wars tattoo and didn't mind the prequels existing I'm not sure why force awakens would want you to cover it up
Srsly, how can you like the film that ruined Darth Vader with that portrayal of his turn to the dark side and becoming Darth Vader in the ens?
The insane preacher standing at the corner of Granville St. has been shouting about how we're all going to hell and need to repent for ages. That doesn't mean we need to take him seriously.
Psychoward
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I refuse to believe someone can prefer ROTS over Empire Strikes Back. Refuse.
this line is so stupid
The "GAF Hive."
I was an adult when this movie came, there was no GAF (to my knowledge, I know the original forum goes back to like 2000), and I hated it back then too.
Really? That's incredibly dumb. Film resolution isn't exactly analogous to digital resolution and pixels, but it's known that film stock of movies from decades ago can translate to much higher than 1080p without any loss of detail. 1080p is short sighted as heck. See here:
movies filmed with chemical film reels since as far back as the 50s and possibly before that are all naturally 4K ready, at leas their film reels are. The chemical film used for almost all older movies, particularly super 35 mm film gave a resolution that went well beyond 4k and all the way into 8k territory
There's so much wrong with AotC and RotS, but this alone plummets both into the depths of truly awful films. The words creepy and gross get thrown around a lot nowadays, but Anakin really is a fucking creep that demonstrates no reason for Padme to even want to be his friend. Doesn't even have like a cool bad boy thing going on. He's just a disturbing miscreant.
And they got BTFO by Weta's work in the LOTR trilogy that came out around the same. There are really no excuses to be made here.
Even better- he's a slower developing storm trooper.
Fanservice is a terrible thing.
I was just reading somewhere else something and itjust came to me that you are talking about Rogue One and not about Respawn 1 lmao.
Yes, not that it's some huge tragedy when Anakin's arc is fanfic-tier bad. I get 97.5% of the pleasure of a ROTS rewatch by just listening to the soundtrack.
The blu-rays for Ep2 and 3 had to apply upscaling to get them to 1080p
I... never thought of it like that. Fuck.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
How can the prequels have ruined Boba Fett when he was already garbage tho
The same way they ruined everything else, take something that has some mystery and wonder to it, even Boba Fett, and explain it completely with a sub par story, dialogue and visuals, all done in a lazy half assed "eh I'm George Lucas so fuck it" kind of way.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
I just wanted to express some Boba Fett hate, I understand there are legitimate complaints here lol
For real though fuck Boba Fett, his main accomplishments are tracking down a dude, wearing some cool armor, and getting taken out by a blind guy.
IG-88, was way cooler. A stonecold lerpy killer. Should have given him a backstory. IG-88 The Awkward Teen Years. The other droid Anakin created.
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