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Is Mario Sunshine the worst mainline Mario game?
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Astral Dog
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I find Galaxy 1 to be a little overrated, the presentation and music is amazing, but low difficulty and simple controls/levels made it less than it could be
Galaxy 2 is a real gem however, and takes it to the next level probably the best 3D platformer imo
Its not flawless since the motion controls can be an issue ,it depends on the player, personally they add something to the experience, the 'Action button' for example but there are certain levels were its clunky i remember some ball with a star inside so annoying
Business
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Most definitely the worst.
Also, people dunking on 3D World are tripping, for starters it shouldn’t even be pitted with 3D Marios as it’s more of a 3D 2D hybrid. The game is so full of ideas and they are executed so well at times it’s just showing off, the multiplayer is god tier and it should have become the template for modern “2D Mario”.
Also, people dunking on 3D World are tripping, for starters it shouldn’t even be pitted with 3D Marios as it’s more of a 3D 2D hybrid. The game is so full of ideas and they are executed so well at times it’s just showing off, the multiplayer is god tier and it should have become the template for modern “2D Mario”.
Nicktendo86
Member
Sunshine feels like it suffers from the same issues I have with Wind Waker, both feel rushed as Nintendo needed the games out for the GameCube. Both good games but they could have both been really great had they both been given an extra year of development.
Hugare
Gold Member
It made sense back then cause the Switch only had one analog stick. And 3D Land was limited by the hardware. Stages were really simple and bland.
No excuses for 3D world tho
Punished Miku
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"Shouldnt even be pitted" means its clearly the worst 3D entry. It is a 3D entry with limited moveset and nearly locked camera. Its the Kirby of Mario games.
NinjaMouse
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It's neck and neck with Mario 64 for being the worst.
E-Cat
Member
Regarding the camera in Mario 64 and Sunshine, I can relate. Not only did I never have a single problem with the camera controls, but it didn't even occur to me that it was possible to be unsatisfied with them in principle -- it was just instantly intuitive and worked flawlessly, like walking or jumping.
bender
What time is it?
3D World was such a massive let down after the Galaxy games. I find it hard to judge because of that. Oddly enough, I love 3D Land.
touchfuzzy
Member
I dunno man, maybe nowadays that most big devs have abandoned the genre but I'd take all the PS2 first party platformer games (Sly Cooper, Jak 1, Ratchet) over Super Mario Sunshine by a lot.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I do know though, as said. I mean, there's no account for taste if I should put it kindly, a person earlier was praising A Hat in Time over post-64 Marios and what not, Poi and Skylar & Plux are better than that thing turned out for all its crazy hype over looking like Wind Waker with Mario's moves
Hope Skylar & Plux resurfaces, it's a good PS2-like indie 3D platform game but delisted, I think I read they were remastering/rebuilding it which I don't think it needed though extra content would be nice (I only thought one cute race model in the game seemed hillariously off compared to the rest).
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lame gag1990
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Sunshine? Definitely not. Odyssey is so much worse. Everything about that game is incredibly boring. Powerups, music, the world. All shite in my opinion.
existensmaximum
Member
I think Sunshine is a lot better than Odyssey
Which is probably my least favorite Mario game.
Which is probably my least favorite Mario game.
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Spukc
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Punished Miku
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Also has the worst OST of all Mario games.3d land was ok.
3d world was lazy as fuck
Thanks also you have taste
bender
What time is it?
3d land was ok.
3d world was lazy as fuck
Thanks also you have taste
I can understand the dislike for 3D Land as it has no real challenge but it is cozy as fuck.
AngelMuffin
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I suppose so if we were forced to rank them, but it’s still a pretty good game & fun to play. I guess it’s the Dark Souls 2 of 3D Mario games.
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I haven't play Sunshine in years, and I remember liking it, but I completely agree with you, the best levels were when your water pack was stolen.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
1. 64
2. Odyssey
3. Galaxy 2
4. Galaxy
5. 3D Land
6. 3D World
7. Sunshine
Played none of them as a kid. As much as I have no fond memories of it, Sunshine is fine. The rest all range from great to all-timer. It's been a long while since I touched a few of these though, and I might revisit some, but even only playing it for the first time in university, I've finished 64 like 5 times since and could go play it right now.
2. Odyssey
3. Galaxy 2
4. Galaxy
5. 3D Land
6. 3D World
7. Sunshine
Played none of them as a kid. As much as I have no fond memories of it, Sunshine is fine. The rest all range from great to all-timer. It's been a long while since I touched a few of these though, and I might revisit some, but even only playing it for the first time in university, I've finished 64 like 5 times since and could go play it right now.
Archaic101
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Even back during the release of Sunshine -with limited context- we knew it was lacking. I just can't get behind the revisionist history about the Gamecube library that everyone seems to have bought into lately.
gaming_again
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I can't believe how much the Galaxy games are disliked here. They are 3D Mario in its purest form imo.
MirageMew2
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There’s no bad 3D Mario but “worst” as in least replayable is probably 3D Land.
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Have a Blessed Day
No, that would be Mario Odyssey
fart town usa
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I really enjoyed Sunshine. Felt terrible on the Switch when I tried it but I'm sure I'd still enjoy it on the GCN. As much as I dislike the GCN controller, it was amazing for first-party games.
fart town usa
Member
I always felt like the no Fludd levels in Sunshine served as a blueprint of sorts for Galaxy. Not sure if that's popular consensus but nice to see someone else mention it.
yurinka
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yes
DownLikeBCPowder
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It's been a while since I've played it, but I thought 3D Land was really excellent back when, especially compared to NSMB style games. I'll have to go back and give it a shot to see how I feel about it today. 3D World however, I skipped and only recently picked up on Switch but wasn't as impressed and haven't bothered to finish it yet.
LavitzSlambert
Member
By a long shot. It's also a bad game, period. As in, not just "bad for a Nintendo game". I have no idea how Nintendo allowed it to happen.
Panajev2001a
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The game was create around the controller and vice-versa. Same thing as playing SM64 with the N64 controller on Switch, it is another thing…
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Odyssey I can't begin to put into words how much I dislike that game. My son loves it after watching him play I just noped out.
Kokoloko85
Member
Nah. I prefered it way more thsn Galaxy 1-2
Hudo
Member
I'd go with this as well.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
It's 100% the worst in my opinion. It just doesn't feel like a Mario game. It's almost like it started life as a concept for another game, but then had the Mario skin slapped on last minute.
The GC library was probably the worst for Nintendo first party games as well.
Worst mainline Mario
Worst Mario Kart
Visually the worst Zelda (I've never played it so can't be sure about gameplay)
Metroid Prime was okay I guess? That's it.
Yeah, but Mario Sunshine was a mess. I can't believe Nintendo went from Mario 64 to that.
The GC library was probably the worst for Nintendo first party games as well.
Worst mainline Mario
Worst Mario Kart
Visually the worst Zelda (I've never played it so can't be sure about gameplay)
Metroid Prime was okay I guess? That's it.
Yeah, but Mario Sunshine was a mess. I can't believe Nintendo went from Mario 64 to that.
fart town usa
Member
100%.
Rockondevil
Member
It’s one of the best.
Physiognomonics
Member
I have very fond memories of Sunshine, it's a game with flaws but I still loved playing it. I don't have any fond memories of both Galaxy games which I found both very uninspired and formulaic. And lost levels was bad while Super Mario Bros 2 was awesome.
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fart town usa
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Well done, absolute combo breaker. I honestly can't remember the last time I outright defended Nintendo on Gaf, lol. They've been dead to me for years.
6502
Member
No. It was a good game. Following up one of the best games ever was always going to put it in an impossible position.
It felt rushed, had too few levels and way too many bugs (like falling through the damn pirate ship). The fludd made it too easy for some but the block levels gave some good challenge.
I could only be bothered with 20mins of Odyssey so for me that is the worst (though that is not enough to judge properly).
Galaxy was amazing and a great return to form after Sunshine.
It felt rushed, had too few levels and way too many bugs (like falling through the damn pirate ship). The fludd made it too easy for some but the block levels gave some good challenge.
I could only be bothered with 20mins of Odyssey so for me that is the worst (though that is not enough to judge properly).
Galaxy was amazing and a great return to form after Sunshine.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Well done, absolute combo breaker. I honestly can't remember the last time I outright defended Nintendo on Gaf, lol. They've been dead to me for years.
Double Dash was awful. The gimmick of two riders per Kart got old in seconds and the tracks were average. Thankfully, Nintendo returned to form with MK Wii. Same goes for Mario Galaxy, which is probably the greatest game Nintendo has ever made and infinitely better than Sunshine.
I'm not talking about TP, but WW and the cartoon, cell shaded graphics. Really couldn't get into that art style and it actually causes me stress. TP looks fantastic visually, but again never played it.
