I can't believe (insert something snobby here).
Is Peyton Manning the best quarterback of all time? No.
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I can't believe (insert something snobby here).
crimzonflame
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3 not 4.
ElectricBlue187
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Tyree catch only happened because Patriot D cant tackle
tekumseh
a mass of phermones, hormones and adrenaline just waiting to explode
You're absolutely right, my bad...
Bolt Vanderhuge
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He won 3 pre-Spygate and he needed his kicker to put him on his back for every one.
WanderingWind
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No, we should put that onus on one player out of 56 on a team. That makes more sense. Because, of course, the QB is responsible for tackling, special teams, FGs and all blocking.
Football. It's a one person sport.
weekend_warrior
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1. John Elway
2. Dan Marino
3. Joe Montana
4. Peyton Manning
5. Brett Favre
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xx. Eli Manning
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xx. Jay Cutler
xx. Christian Ponder
xx. Tom Brady
2. Dan Marino
3. Joe Montana
4. Peyton Manning
5. Brett Favre
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xx. Eli Manning
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xx. Jay Cutler
xx. Christian Ponder
xx. Tom Brady
vas_a_morir
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Yes, he is.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't care about rings at all when looking at an individual player. It's a team sport. Look at someone like Adrian Peterson. He's one of the best RBs in the league, but he's not going to even make the playoffs because his team is so poor.
Gully State
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ThankYouDaletech
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I watched some videotapes of football so now I can go undefeated in the regular season and throw 50 touchdowns. This is how football works, correct?
P.S. "System Quarterbacks" don't play as well as Brady.
P.S. "System Quarterbacks" don't play as well as Brady.
It's not a one person sport, but without a good QB you're not going anywhere.
Also if say Michael Jordan has never won a championship, but had all the same stats, do you think people would still think he's the greatest?
foxuzamaki
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He was when he was with the rams
*salty fan
*salty fan
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Nah bro. Kevin Faulk is GOAT. He's got like, 4 rings.
Basketball is not football. MJ played all sides of the ball. Call me when Brady or Peyton are playing D every game.
johnny_park
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Trent Dilfer wasn't good, barely average.
Also if you want to point out the silliness of Peyton "choking" in the playoffs, I can point out that every single playoff game the Patriots lost since 2004 has been against opponents they were favored against. I mean, Brady lost to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez of all people, and Joe Flacco twice. And Brady himself had a good game in what, one of those games?
Honestly that's a silly way to evaluate quarterbacks but if you're going to go there, you need to go both ways.
Honestly that's a silly way to evaluate quarterbacks but if you're going to go there, you need to go both ways.
Keep moving them goal posts.
WanderingWind
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...you don't understand what that phrase means, football, or basketball, it seems.
Nether do you it seems. You go from saying Payton was the colts reason for winning, to it's a team sport. You just say whatever you have to win.
abolisher6812
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Dan Marino is the best quarterback I have seen.
tekumseh
a mass of phermones, hormones and adrenaline just waiting to explode
I don't need anyone here to take my word for it, just look at the numbers. In the 3 years the Pats won the SB, they were 6th, 1st, and 2nd in scoring defense. In the 4 years that Montana won the SB with the Niners, they were 2nd, 1st, 8th, and 3rd in scoring defense. Trent Dilfer won a SB, fer Christs sake, and he didn't even play most of the season as Baltimore's starting QB, Tony Banks did. You know why the Ravens won that SB? 1st in scoring D, and 2nd in total yards allowed.
Manning's Colts teams were NEVER that frequently good, and the only year they did have a top 10 D, They lost to San Diego at home when Marvin Harrison had a RZ fumble, and Manning threw 2 RZ interceptions, so I guess I can blame him for that one, but it was that Colts D that allowed Billy Volek to march right down the field in the 4th Quarter to put the Chargers ahead, so again, while in this case Manning takes a portion of the blame, he can't get all of it...
Manning's Colts teams were NEVER that frequently good, and the only year they did have a top 10 D, They lost to San Diego at home when Marvin Harrison had a RZ fumble, and Manning threw 2 RZ interceptions, so I guess I can blame him for that one, but it was that Colts D that allowed Billy Volek to march right down the field in the 4th Quarter to put the Chargers ahead, so again, while in this case Manning takes a portion of the blame, he can't get all of it...
WanderingWind
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...seriously? That's what you took from that? Lol.
What the first post says is that there is an immediate and measurable impact when one person goes down and not when another goes down. Notice how I say "loses points" rather than it being the whole story. That in no way says that Peyton is the sole reason for winning. It doesn't even closely read like that. You're just bad at this.
Alligatorjandro
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I'd take Brady and Manning over everyone.
captmcblack
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- Montana
- Marino
- Elway
- Manning
- Favre (Favre would've arguably been equal to or above Elway if not for his Jets/Vikes run).
I hate even suggesting Marino so high in the ranking since he never won the SB, but his numbers are so patently ridiculous you can't discount them.
Brady* can only get into that group if he can win a legit, non-Spygate SB.
Dreams-Visions
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Came to see Brady. Not leaving disappointed.
Peyton mine as well be A-Rod. Big-time regular season player who's teams struggle in the playoffs when it matters. Not always his fault, but his teams were in the playoffs damn near every year of his long career...and just one ring. Peyton is great to be sure. But gimme Brady who is often asked to do more with less name-brand talent. Randy Moss year being the only exception.
Peyton mine as well be A-Rod. Big-time regular season player who's teams struggle in the playoffs when it matters. Not always his fault, but his teams were in the playoffs damn near every year of his long career...and just one ring. Peyton is great to be sure. But gimme Brady who is often asked to do more with less name-brand talent. Randy Moss year being the only exception.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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its also worth noting that the year the colts won the super bowl manning had a horrible postseason
TTOOLL
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GhostWriter24
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Brady cheated. Sorry, he doesn't belong on ANY list, nonetheless the hall of fame.
He should have been banned from the sport a long time ago, along with Belicheat.
He should have been banned from the sport a long time ago, along with Belicheat.
Jim Caldwell was responsible for a character from Sesame Street having the greatest postseason in NFL history.
Let's not sell him short.
This thread is offensive. Peyton is a choker when it matters most.
Iamwolfthing
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Some people wouldn't but he still would be. Basketball is also a lot different than football. One player (like MJ or Lebron) can legitimately make any team a 50-win team.
captmcblack
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He/Belichick/the Patriots got caught doing it.
League was quick to do whatever it could to put it under the rug too.
MrToughPants
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As a BYU fan i like this.
Best ever? Maybe. Maybe not. One of the best? I think so. He will likely be on any and all future "The Top (Whatever Number) Quarterbacks of All Time" lists, especially if he gets at least one more Super Bowl ring before retiring.
On the other hand, I nominate his brother Eli for "Most Crazily Unpredictable Quarterback of All Time." Seriously, it's like he's either amazing or terrible.
On the other hand, I nominate his brother Eli for "Most Crazily Unpredictable Quarterback of All Time." Seriously, it's like he's either amazing or terrible.
How can Young be the greatest when he wasn't even the QB to ever play for his team (that's Montana BTW).
Young was the Manning of his era, great in the regular season, choked in the playoffs (outside if one great season).
shadowsdarknes
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Get that shit out of here with Eli. He's 0 and 4 right now and got shut out two weeks ago.
Ya, Montana for me. He just was the best in the biggest moments.
Elway is 2nd for me. Early in his career he literally put teams on his back to get to the Superbowl. Running game? lolz Elway was the running game. Unfortunately his success allowed Reeves to stay his coach longer than he should have.
Brady and Manning need some more titles/playoff heriocs before I'd consider them for the top 2.
Elway is 2nd for me. Early in his career he literally put teams on his back to get to the Superbowl. Running game? lolz Elway was the running game. Unfortunately his success allowed Reeves to stay his coach longer than he should have.
Brady and Manning need some more titles/playoff heriocs before I'd consider them for the top 2.
Psychological Intellect
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It's LeBron bro
It's always LeBron
It's always LeBron
Steve Young.
The man played the sport with a true passion that you don't see in anyone else. Payton Manning just likes to hear himself, so don't mention him in that regard either. He fought through the shadow of another QB that I wouldn't knock someone mentioning as the greatest QB ever. Every time Young scrambled your heart sank. You know he wasn't the most "evasive" in moves, so you know he was probably going to take a hit or put a hit on someone himself.
He is the best rounded QB talent wise, ever.
The man played the sport with a true passion that you don't see in anyone else. Payton Manning just likes to hear himself, so don't mention him in that regard either. He fought through the shadow of another QB that I wouldn't knock someone mentioning as the greatest QB ever. Every time Young scrambled your heart sank. You know he wasn't the most "evasive" in moves, so you know he was probably going to take a hit or put a hit on someone himself.
He is the best rounded QB talent wise, ever.
The one where they had the best QB in the league and failed miserably in the post season?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Let's be honest though. The Broncos will find a way to fuck up in the playoffs and Manning will be called a choker no matter his personal stats
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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They won 12-14 games basically every year for almost a decade. Thats hard to do even if you have a great quarterback.
He could have played for a franchise like his dad played for and then maybe you'd have a point.
Oblivionmancer
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I'm not much of a football fan, but I am a Coloradan, so reading this and sensing its truth wounds me greatly.
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