Is PSN really this bad?
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Don't have much trouble with PSN. Downloads are constantly atleast around 10 mbit (i have 50mbit down) and with PS+ the big files download themselve over night/workday pretty fast.
I don't doubt your problems and sure PSN could be designed better but it's not the same experience for everyone.
I don't doubt your problems and sure PSN could be designed better but it's not the same experience for everyone.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
ITT: Speevy is on the Sony payroll.
The reason why background downloads aren't default, is because it was added to the firmware at a later stage. Sony has had to do an aweful lot of catching up this gen, but recently they're starting to get ahead of the curve a little bit here and there, finally, so there's some hope it will be better nexr-gen.
I don't know. The Xbox 360 UI has had at least three to four complete redesign and overhauls this gen while the PS3 has been stuck with the same awful one since launch. Doesn't the Vita also use the same shitty OS and UI?
Steam's great success is that it does everything while you're free to use your PC for whatever.
The PS3's install feature takes all control away from the user.
The storefront download uses the install feature, therefore you have no control while it's doing its thing.
When you background download, the completed file becomes a bubble until you choose to install it. Again, it takes total control away from you while this installation completes.
I don't pretend to know why the PS3 is designed the way it is, but I do know that installation process must be separate from the download process.
So it has to go from download to bubble, and from bubble to installed game.
If everything auto-installed, some really trivial stuff would be waiting in a bubble for you to install it.
If everything used the store front, there would be no task that you could perform outside the store.
This is why it uses both. It's a choice based on design decisions made by the people who designed the PS3.
Download in background does something different than just staying at the download screen? What the fuck? Where is this documented? I've always done download in background just because I can't stand to look at a progress bar but that is some awful design if it's true.
Ice cold, son. Ice cold.
Ice cold, son. Ice cold.
How are they not? Why expect someone to know anything about how a system works?
Do you need a tutorial video when you first buy the system? What's the metric here? When is something easy enough that absolutely everyone will recognize it?
The 360 needed those overhauls. The Store leaves a ton to be desired, but the XMB has always been a clean, simple, and user-friendly system.
Yeah it's frustrating. I have half 19MB/s download speed and I am downloading Sound Shapes to my Vita as we speak and it's got 19 minutes to go (185/997MB).
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encephalon
Member
For me, the connection isn't slower (maybe a bit faster) than off my laptop but I've had downloads "time out" forcing me to restart. Not really sure what I did wrong here, but my internet didn't cut out.
Edit: I didn't know that background downloads were somehow special.
Edit: I didn't know that background downloads were somehow special.
Yeah, I just ignored it. Reads like a third grader typed it.
DonMigs85
Member
No, it's quite different.
If I were on the Sony payroll, I'd probably be looking for another job (or be getting laid off).
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
You mean aside from basic documentation? I'd venture a guess that a line of text on the download screen describing the difference would be enough for everyone in this thread who have mentioned they didn't know the difference intially.
Beelzeboss
Member
man why would they even make the store download just vanish if something happens to it?
Why wouldn't they just make it act like background downloads? It seems crazy that it would just delete half a game for no reason.
Why wouldn't they just make it act like background downloads? It seems crazy that it would just delete half a game for no reason.
I don't see the problem with the PS3's XMB UI. Neither does MS since they basically evolved the X360 UI towards something similar.
What is a problem, is the shitty singstore. Half of the time, I can't connect. If it does, it's extremely slow. I don't know if Sony realises how much their shitty server connection problems affect their sales. The thing is a complete disaster.
I never got the people who say PSN is fast and not throttled.
My experience is the polar opposite and it has been that way for as long as I can imagine.
whalleywhat
Member
It should be obvious when you say you don't want Ice in your soda that it's going to be served boiling hot. Ice is for making it cold.
DonMigs85
Member
It's either your ISP or router settings. Never had problems either.
If you do the network test on the PS3, what's your DL speed?
I don't have these issues on my 360 or computer or any other device or service.
The downloads are throttled.
Congrats on the brilliant analogy.
Maastricht
Member
I think you're not wrong. I think there are some weak servers here and there in the US ...
FormallyFamicom
Member
I was problem free with PSN up until late last month when I bought Catherine (9.5gb download) off there. Left it to download overnight, came back that morning and the download froze. Paused and unpaused and it finished up quickly, only to have it not install due to a corrupted file. Tried this about ten more times over the course of two weeks until it finally worked. Looked up plenty of solutions (delete corrupted data, don't download in background, restore default settings, restore file system, etc.), but the advice most often repeated was "keep trying". Seriously? Pretty shoddy tech on Sony to force you to do that.
I seriously reconsidered future large download purchases through PSN, but I've since downloaded even larger files with no issue, so I don't know what the deal is.
I seriously reconsidered future large download purchases through PSN, but I've since downloaded even larger files with no issue, so I don't know what the deal is.
Asia here. But it's not surprising we get bad download speeds. Sony doesn't give a shit about us.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Nope, as several of us mentioned we have no issues with other services.
Speedymanic
Banned
Yup, it's an inherent problem in Sony hardware and how it handles ports or some other such nonsense. if you're lucky, you won't be affected, but if you're not lucky, well...be prepared to lose your mind trying to get the workaround to work properly.
Well, to be fair, it is his fault for assuming that Sony handled their online infrastructure the same way as virtually every other company does. He should have had the foresight to know that if the front end is a clusterfuck, that the rest would be just as bad.
Not excusing some stupid systems in PSN, but there is a reason to have background downloads as well as the store front kind
Sony lacked a lot of forward planning this gen. Lacking background installs is one of them. So the storefront download. is necessary for them. When you download something, you need to find the bubble again and install it. If you are downloading small files that take a couple of seconds, you don'twant to have to go in and out of PSN store just to install it. So the storefront download is there to automatically install something once it's downloaded.
It's probably there just for small downloads. While you can do the same for large downloads, Sony more than likely assumed no one would wait for them, and expected people to choose the background download option. While I've never encountered the problem myself, they really should of planned stuff out in adavance.
As for PSN download speeds? One of the most inconsistent things I know. Back when I was on Virgin it was slow. Like 0.5mps wired or wireless. However my cousin on the same package was getting like 2 Mbs wireless and 3Mb wired. Switched to Sky on a similar package and was getting 1 wireless and 3-4 wired. Now that I'm with BT, I get 5-6Mb either way.
I'm not even going to begin to try to understand PSN download speeds. Sometimes it's slow, other times it's even worse. Then it can be really fast. Maybe ISP or Router make a difference? Anyways the one thing I'll say is that people experiencing slow speeds shoukd at least have their PS3's wired
Sony lacked a lot of forward planning this gen. Lacking background installs is one of them. So the storefront download. is necessary for them. When you download something, you need to find the bubble again and install it. If you are downloading small files that take a couple of seconds, you don'twant to have to go in and out of PSN store just to install it. So the storefront download is there to automatically install something once it's downloaded.
It's probably there just for small downloads. While you can do the same for large downloads, Sony more than likely assumed no one would wait for them, and expected people to choose the background download option. While I've never encountered the problem myself, they really should of planned stuff out in adavance.
As for PSN download speeds? One of the most inconsistent things I know. Back when I was on Virgin it was slow. Like 0.5mps wired or wireless. However my cousin on the same package was getting like 2 Mbs wireless and 3Mb wired. Switched to Sky on a similar package and was getting 1 wireless and 3-4 wired. Now that I'm with BT, I get 5-6Mb either way.
I'm not even going to begin to try to understand PSN download speeds. Sometimes it's slow, other times it's even worse. Then it can be really fast. Maybe ISP or Router make a difference? Anyways the one thing I'll say is that people experiencing slow speeds shoukd at least have their PS3's wired
DonMigs85
Member
I have a fairly shitty ISP in Manila and an old wireless-G router but all my devices operate at the max speed (between 5-6Mbps). Maybe the PS3 or PSN doesn't play well with certain ISPs by default?
Dion Blaster
Member
As a PS3 owner I've always instinctually assumed that a 'background download' was slower than leaving it in the foreground. Why in the hell would I assume that doing other stuff on the PS3 would SPEED UP my download? This is the first time I've known that downloading in the background has actual benefits, there is nothing in the UI to indicate this. I always thought this was just a nice feature that may make downloading take longer but at least lets me do other stuff while waiting.
I feel you OP.
Also the PS3 downloads at a pathetically slow speed. It makes my mediocre PC with mediocre connection look like Usain Bolt. I'm pretty sure my Wii downloads at a faster pace.
I feel you OP.
Also the PS3 downloads at a pathetically slow speed. It makes my mediocre PC with mediocre connection look like Usain Bolt. I'm pretty sure my Wii downloads at a faster pace.
PSN is strange with download speeds... I have a simple 10/1 connection.
Last night Just Cause 2 just finished downloading. And I had just queued Dust 514 Closed Beta (which is 1967mb. or something like that). So I started installing Just Cause 2 even though I knew it would take a while longer to install, because Dust 514 was downloading in the background.
I gave my wife a nice massage while Just Cause 2 was installing, 20 minutes later I looked at my PS3 again, and Just Cause 2 was installed. But Dust 514 had also finished downloading during that time.
So Dust 514´s almost 2Gb, took less than 20 min.s to download..
I then started Dust 514 up.. and it prompted for an update (typical typical typical).. the update was something like 2.2GB.. I let it run for some minutes..
The update would take more than 67 minutes to finish.. wtf..? the initial 2Gb took less than 20 minutes, but the update takes longer than 60 minutes.??
Last night Just Cause 2 just finished downloading. And I had just queued Dust 514 Closed Beta (which is 1967mb. or something like that). So I started installing Just Cause 2 even though I knew it would take a while longer to install, because Dust 514 was downloading in the background.
I gave my wife a nice massage while Just Cause 2 was installing, 20 minutes later I looked at my PS3 again, and Just Cause 2 was installed. But Dust 514 had also finished downloading during that time.
So Dust 514´s almost 2Gb, took less than 20 min.s to download..
I then started Dust 514 up.. and it prompted for an update (typical typical typical).. the update was something like 2.2GB.. I let it run for some minutes..
The update would take more than 67 minutes to finish.. wtf..? the initial 2Gb took less than 20 minutes, but the update takes longer than 60 minutes.??
Speedymanic
Banned
What? You had to download the entire game again as a patch? Jesus Christ. O_O
bigboss370
Member
i've actually never had a problem with psn, i think only once ever did my download go slow.
Kenshin001
Member
Who the hell sits on the store front waiting for something to download? Dumbest thing I've read in a while.
NoirVisage
Banned
not to defend this.. but it is a BETA.. so the patch system is quite different, they actually (almost always) just make you download the whole beta again with the changes in effect, instead of patching the changes into the current version of the beta..
it still sucks..
I'll never understand why they don't apply the patches to what's already on PSN.
Saying that I don't understand why some games have multiple patches either. I remember when I played Uncharted 2 a few months ago. I had to go through 9 patches/installs. That needs to be fixed.
Yeah, blame Sony...
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
I can safely say that PSN downloads are considerably slower for me than their XBL counterparts. Easily.
Not bashing Sony. It is just fact in my case. i get 20 down and 1.5 up. So yeah.
Not bashing Sony. It is just fact in my case. i get 20 down and 1.5 up. So yeah.
I always felt like background downloads went slower because I get fucking awful speeds...didn't realize it was basically the same just without the auto install. I get fine download speeds on 360 and PC, I don't know what the hell is up with PSN. Some stuff actually goes pretty quickly, some stuff takes a long ass time even if it's a smaller size. When I get a hang up on a big DL(like the MAG beta), it actually took days. I never even installed or tried it because I lost interest after that shit.
If you lose connection it should automatically restart at the same percentage it stopped at.
If you lose connection it should automatically restart at the same percentage it stopped at.