GuessMyUserName
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Someone's race doesn't actually define their appearance. People can have a wide variety of different appearances while being part of the same race.
Is refusing to date people of certain races racist?
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Someone's race doesn't actually define their appearance. People can have a wide variety of different appearances while being part of the same race.
mckmas8808
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Again....it's NOT racist. Do you know what racism actually is and means? It's racist if he doesn't allow his friends or family members to date people of a different race.
Yes, but in a lot of cases race can play a big part of culture experiences. If someone white wants that connection, who are we to stop them?
Refusing to date people of a certain race is not a preference, its a declaration.
I could perfer whatever set of characteristics in a desirable partner without making exclusionary statements that dont accurrately define the broad group I'm discriminating against.
What does a statement "I refuse to date black people" mean to you?
What about being black is the one defining characteristic that makes it an accurate description of every black person.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Yep it's clearly racist, as its based on a mental generalizing of an entire group of people into an "un-dateable" category, based purely on the color of their skin. That's BS...
PaulBizkit
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It's not racist at all. I don't like how black women look, talk or dress. White CITY women are a mental mess.
Non-black and non-asian countryside (or not-from-the-city) girls are the true path to happiness.
Non-black and non-asian countryside (or not-from-the-city) girls are the true path to happiness.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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I'm sure I could list 150 non-latina celebs now that you would find attractive.
So I 100% don't believe this at all.
Gotdatmoney
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What cultural experience are you refering to?
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Whew
Please tell me how black women look, talk and dress.
I want to know the answer to that too.
Just because you don't seem to be able to make a distinction between the two things doesn't mean noone can. I wasn't talking about total perception. Preference isn't total perception. Yes, the statement OP's friend made is racist, no, having a preference when it comes to ethnicy isn't racist. I can have a general preference for asian woman and still be attracted to a black woman, it's just not as likely to happen. That works both ways, hell, many different ways. Maybe I'm one of the 10% you referred to then, I don't know.
That has nothing to do with changing rules.
This statement however:
Is obviously racist. The fuck?
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Krauser Kat
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Its prejudice for sure. If she cute swipe right. figure out if your two personalities match later. Learn form another culture, but dont make it a fetish. Or boil a person down to just their race.
God Damn dude. You dont hold back. Not all people of any race, look talk and dress the same. THE FUCK.
"I dont like these people because i believe they are accurately represented by the shitty stereotypes i keep close to my heart."
God Damn dude. You dont hold back. Not all people of any race, look talk and dress the same. THE FUCK.
"I dont like these people because i believe they are accurately represented by the shitty stereotypes i keep close to my heart."
Username1198
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Uh huh go on
I bet you are the kind of guy who asks a black guy you just meet if he knows or if he is related the other black dude you saw back in 2010 right?
Gotdatmoney
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What guides your preference as to how asian women look? Keep in mind, Asian women do not all look alike because 1) race is a social construct, not a genetic expression and 2) a diverse set of features are found in Asians as that word describes over a billion people.
Please do tell.
When you fail at this, come back and address my actual point.
Royce McCutcheon
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That's just great.
I'm trying to read the sarcasm in this post but I'm having a hard time catching the joke.
Gotdatmoney
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I'm surprised you guys can't tell this is literally a joke post.
GuessMyUserName
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You have literally no idea what any individual's life experience is. If you're uncomfortable with gaining an understanding of your prospective partner's life then you'll have relationship issues no matter who you're with.
Someone's cultural background should not be a disqualifying feature, Jesus Christ.
VincentMatts
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Refusing is racist.
The ones you meet not necessarily being your "type" is not racist.
Learn the difference.
The ones you meet not necessarily being your "type" is not racist.
Learn the difference.
Hopefully...
So, the only difference is how it is phrased? "I prefer to date only white guys" is better than "I refuse to date Asian guys"?
It could very well be a joke post, but it 100% reads like something a racist would say in an ironic way. Its like if I said I hate <racial slur>s. I could be saying it as a joke, but its just saying something a racist would actually say.
GuessMyUserName
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The two statements are not the same thing at all.
Refusal and Preference are completely fucking different.
excelsiorlef
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Huh?
I mean in the OP's example the person refused because he's scared of black culture.... that's hella racist.
Refusing to date an entire race is racist, you're still allowed to do it... but it's still racist.
Id say its best to just not make it about race at all. And if you do find yourself with a significant bias towards or against any given race, be honest with yourself about why that is happening. Racial issues can be lessened a lot when people can just honestly question themselves.
LordKasual
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the joke lacks any context
which is why these threads are always shit to take part in
nobody knows whether to laugh because you're obviously joking, be offended because you're a racist, or cringe because you think it's a form of edgy humor
everyone on GAF is absolutely just going to assume you're a closet racist
Crossing Eden
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No because the race specifically isn't the source of attraction.
excelsiorlef
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Here's the thing why do you need to tell anyone that you won't date an entire race?
TheOctodad
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I think the difference is in intent, and at that point i have to make some assumptions and inferences about where theyre coming from based on the language they use.
But to my admittedly untrained ear, both of those examples you listed would make me leery.
I didn't say that though, I said there is a distinct difference between outright refusal & preference, namely preference are not absolute and are susceptible to change.
If you told me that yoy perfer dating white guys, the question I'd ask then, is what about being White do you perfer.
wat?
It's racist but you also don't find "most" black women attractive? Lol.
You can't call people out for preferences whilst stating you have preferences.
Fluffernutter Pancake
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This thread was worth it just for this post
Let the games begin.......was this serious or was this not? Permaban or medal for cleverness to be awarded when this is determined...........
holy fucking shit my dude, this isn't preference this is just white supremacy
Your conceptions of how black women talk, dress, and even look are all rooted in stereotypes. Same goes for your idea of "white city women". Even your idolization of rural white women comes from a place of ignorance, because it really seems like you see them all as sweet virginal peasant girls rather than actual human beings.
If you would rather accept easy stereotypes thank think for yourself, fine. But you need to recognize that your ideas of how different groups of women behave are regressive and rarely accurate. Any real-life experience would prove this. I would tell you to meet more women, but I'd feel guilty subjecting any woman to that experience.
TheOctodad
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I dont see how people cant distinguish the differences.
I generally am friends with the same taste in music than me. - understandable.
I refuse to be friends with anyone that doesnt like the same music as me. - asshole
I generally am friends with the same taste in music than me. - understandable.
I refuse to be friends with anyone that doesnt like the same music as me. - asshole
The total of asian women I've met so far in my life, or seen in media. Everyone is influenced by that. I simply met more asian women I was attracted to than black women and therefore made a conclusion regarding my personal preferences. Mind blowing I know. To the bolded: That's why I talked about ethnicies and not race.
There is also a diverese set of features found in black people. And white people. And hispanic people. All people. That's why I said I can be attracted to a black person no problem, It's just not as likely to happen as say me being attracted to an asian person, due to my preferences.
When you fail at reading and act like you have some high ground the sentence after I don't feel like adressing anything you say anymore. Feel free to call me a racist because of that though if that makes you happy.
People will tell you that's not an apt comparison because as soon as it's a race related issue some people throw every bit of nuance out the window.
It is a weird no-go distinction though. Like there is literally every body type and physical feature to be found in people of just about any ethnicity. A blanket statement seems a bit extreme unless motivated by other factors.
SA men seem to do better than EA men in the UK. At least when it comes to interracial dating.
/iwonderwhy
QuantumZebra
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Jesus fucking Christ the generalizations, my god.
You're conflating people's personalities and stereotypes with looks/attractiveness.
I mean what the fuck?
Can you tell me how "black women talk / look / dress"? Because I've known / dated / met goddamn thousands of different ones.
It's certainly simple.
Once again you're just wrong. Race doesn't affect them at all. Someone being considered black doesn't mean they have to look a certain way. I've addressed this is a few ways. Even if this was true your thesis wouldn't follow though.
Race is not biological, it is not operative on how people look.
It isn't though. Race is a social category that people are put into for any number of reasons appearance is one reason people are put into boxes, but the reason that the person is put into that box is self-evidently not that the person was put into that box since they are often put into that box because of how they look.
For someone who has a problem with talking about semantics, you sure seem to think your argument hinges on a pretty poor understanding of race.
I don't like the actually language, but sure that'd be racist.'
Except I have multiple times, I've been going point by point dissecting your argument. Even if you think I'm wrong, I've obviously done something. Meanwhile most of what you've done is reassert over and over again the facile statement "race=looks". While ignoring the rest of what I've been saying where this isn't even that important.
I explained what that was. If you still have a problem with that then you clearly aren't thinking.
Lets multiply this by 100, which decreased our error. If you flip a coin 10,000 times and get 5,100 heads and 4,900 tails are you really going to tell me the coin isn't biased towards heads? Clearly something is going on there making it more likely to come up heads. Because we're thinking creatures we can figure out what and why.
Nothing that I was saying requires this to be true, in fact this is the opposite of my argument there. I'm saying if the world doesn't conform to our expectations, clearly something is wrong with them. It's really weird to me that you can't understand that. This isn't complex.
Sounds like you've drifted far away from your actual point to arguing for me now because of your weak grasp of social thinking, but okay. I've addressed the height one above.
From a qualitative standpoint all you're doing with the others is essentiallizing certain characteristics to the group and then through that back onto the individuals in it. That's racist thinking. People aren't saying they dislike the statistical average black woman.
Now to the statistical approach, we'd ask ourselves why certain traits that are more likely to appear among individuals categorized as certain races are or are not attractive. There is clearly a social basis for this in at least some cases, for instance changing attitudes towards being fat. All you've done here is kick the racist can a bit further down the road.
It's not the 50% it's the same rate between races that's important. I agree that'd be weird, because we live in a racist society that propagates racist attitudes. But the reason you think it's weird is bizarre. You're basically saying you can't imagine people wouldn't differentiate attraction based on race, but then somehow that isn't racist.
How is that a summary? You said nothing to that effect. That logically would follow from your premise if you argue for it well, but you really didn't. The last statement is particularly weird. It suggests that people can't be doing something they are unaware of.
In this case it'd be a similar level of attraction to members of different races. That doesn't require being attracted to everyone completely equally, but it would require thinking that hasn't already been corrupted by racist ideas in society.
Age is not a category comparable to race.
Why should your potential partner's control have anything to do with it. I'm not saying people can't like traits beyond people's control. I'm saying that preferring one race over another is literally discriminating based on race. That's what racism is. Meanwhile it almost certainly would derive from racist thinking as well. Either preferring certain traits, for societal reasons related to racism, i.e. white beauty standard, or projecting your ideal type of the appearance of each race onto every member of that category and then making decisions based on that.
Uh no? One thing you've done wrong here is take a single trait and remove it from the context of attraction. Attraction is complicated and based on many moving parts. If you are biased to a bunch of moving parts associated with a specific racial group then racism is involved somehow. This by the way includes factors like height and BMI that have socio-economic basis that are themselves affected by the social implementation of racism.
See above.
If you have a marginal preference for or against a specific race you are marginally racist. If you have a significant one you are significantly racist. I'm not sure why you seem allergic to the idea of degree.
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