LazyParrot
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AAA gaming as a whole is creatively bankrupt.
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Is Sony creatively bankrupt?
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recursive
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Thanks. I have made my point so will be leaving your thread.
DoubleClutch
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Sorry for not meeting your purity standard in terms of who’s allowed to have an opinion. Having hundreds of games PS4 and before in my possession apparently isn’t good enough.
Bye Felicia.
Hawking Radiation
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/thread.
recursive
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FoxMcChief
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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AHHH AHHHH NO. Deal with it!
MacReady13
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That is on them. Who is asking for Spiderman 2 to cost $350 million? And take as long as it did to make with so many people? I keep saying it but it matters not for Nintendo to make games like they do and they sell in the millions. Granted, they have Zelda which takes years and Metroid as well, but they release so much stuff that doesn't cost in the hundreds of millions and makes back hundreds of millions in profit. Chasing the realistic graphics and hollywood type stories is a waste of time and resources and is not working for ANYONE. So if it isn't working, why continue it?
bundylove
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I was talking about the ps move tech demos done with a ps eye before there was a wii.
I am trying to find rhe actual tech demos of the move. No it wasnt called move as it was a prototype .
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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Is Sony creatively bankrupt?
NO!
Is Microsoft creatively bankrupt?
YES
Is Nintendo creatively bankrupt?
None. The best Nintendo brand.
bundylove
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Gaiff
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FoxMcChief
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Y’all acting like the power glove didn’t exist.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I can tell this dude loves Arx Fatalis.
Bumblebeetuna
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That would certainly explain their output this generation and strong reliance on third party deals.
lughnasadh123
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Sony is adding to their previous success by acquiring studios to try their hand at GaaS games yet gamers want them to stop being "creatively bankrupt" and go back to making the exact kind of games (they never stopped) they've already been doing for a few gens now.
bundylove
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Well the power glove is a copy of first gen vr games.
But also it was lacking....power lol.
Look the point is once you go down the rabbit hole you can find motion controls from the 70's.
Everyone os stealing everyones ideas all the time and i dont care. So it be.
But dont say xy did it first and z copied it.
Thats just pure ignorance
Fbh
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It's not as much a Sony thing as it as modern AAA game thing.
When dev times are 5+ years and the budgets are in the hundreds of millions you are going to see a decline in originality and risk taking.
Most of the "slam dunk" IPs you mention weren't 5+ million sellers and they were only successful because they were made in a time where they didn't need to sell those numbers to be profitable.
If you want to encourage Sony to do more unique stuff, consider buying Astro Bot.
Not only will you be showing Sony that there is interest in games outside their usual style, but you'll also be showing them a game made by around 60 devs in 3 years can be a major hit for them.
When dev times are 5+ years and the budgets are in the hundreds of millions you are going to see a decline in originality and risk taking.
Most of the "slam dunk" IPs you mention weren't 5+ million sellers and they were only successful because they were made in a time where they didn't need to sell those numbers to be profitable.
If you want to encourage Sony to do more unique stuff, consider buying Astro Bot.
Not only will you be showing Sony that there is interest in games outside their usual style, but you'll also be showing them a game made by around 60 devs in 3 years can be a major hit for them.
simpatico
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Syphon Filter is so underrated today. It was popular in its time. A lot of those missions really pushed the envelope for what had been done. Terrorists blowing up a train station in DC? Yeah there wasn't much of that going around. Especially on a console. This was when the PSX felt more like a piece of AV kit than a video game console. Mature had a different definition then. Now it just means cuss words and cut scene sex.
RoboFu
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and sega had 3d glasses in the 80s and the pc-engine has a cdrom drive in the 80s.
that has nothing to do with innovating gameplay if you have something you cannot make anything fun for.
bundylove
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You win.and sega had 3d glasses in the 80s and the pc-engine has a cdrom drive in the 80s.
that has nothing to do with innovating gameplay if you have something you cannot make anything fun for.
Nintendo wins.
Proud of you
RoboFu
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Moriarty1889
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They are merely stuck on GAAS for the moment. They are testing the waters with it and are seeing wether it’s worth focusing more on that. They still make the best exclusives imo and Astrobot drops tomorrow and looks to be a banger. It will be interesting to see what other games they have been working on but have yet to share. I am sure they will deliver in the end as always.
StueyDuck
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Gotta love the threads when one companys game bombs then all of a sudden the sky is falling and the world is ending.
Feels like not so long ago hellblade 2 was rubbish and Xbox was creatively bankrupt
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thegame983
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They've certainly reverted back to old ways of smelling their own farts a la PS2.
Toons
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Exact same thing as the film industry too.
MALpractice311
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Ok. That makes more sense. And for the record, I agree with you on nearly everything you just said.
Neolombax
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Higher game development costs + higher game prices + consumer unwillingness to spend + consumers are way more critical nowadays = less risks taken.
Plus you have consumers nowadays that are unrelentless when they bash products that doesn't suit them, and with social media it just exacerbates the situation (which is also I suspect due to higher price to entry into gaming in general). I dont think development studios and publishers are only to blame, these corporations will always follow the money (and engagement I suppose).
Plus you have consumers nowadays that are unrelentless when they bash products that doesn't suit them, and with social media it just exacerbates the situation (which is also I suspect due to higher price to entry into gaming in general). I dont think development studios and publishers are only to blame, these corporations will always follow the money (and engagement I suppose).
FoxMcChief
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bundylove
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Best nintendo..gamecubeand sega had 3d glasses in the 80s and the pc-engine has a cdrom drive in the 80s.
that has nothing to do with innovating gameplay if you have something you cannot make anything fun for.
Best xbox..the original
Best playstation..ps2
To me inovation stopped there
Counterstrike 2, R6 Siege…. Most PVP games have great gameplay and mechanics…
StreetsofBeige
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Actually they arent. They got tons of legacy franchises from older eras that were solid and across many genres. I thought Intelligent Qube on PS1 was awesome. And thats a low budget puzzle game. Hard pressed to see Sony doing a game like that ever again.
Problem is Sony focused on the big money makers which for them are SP games and GT.
During the PS1-PS3 eras they had shitloads of games, but they spread themselves too thin. Just like during PS3 era they had too many shooters crowding out their own gamers. So aside from GT, game sales per title across all their games might be spread thin.
The big hitters ended up being SP games and GT, so they stuck with them with sequels and putting tons of time and resources to make one giant SP game instead of two games.
They got the library of legendary games. Like Sega. But up to them which ones they pull out from the digital databank and make a game out of it.
Problem is Sony focused on the big money makers which for them are SP games and GT.
During the PS1-PS3 eras they had shitloads of games, but they spread themselves too thin. Just like during PS3 era they had too many shooters crowding out their own gamers. So aside from GT, game sales per title across all their games might be spread thin.
The big hitters ended up being SP games and GT, so they stuck with them with sequels and putting tons of time and resources to make one giant SP game instead of two games.
They got the library of legendary games. Like Sega. But up to them which ones they pull out from the digital databank and make a game out of it.
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EDMIX
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Maybe, maybe not.
I do not believe they are "stuck" on GAAS as they still put out single player games and this push for online gaming was also started with them teaming up with teams that just do this type of thing. Bungie, Firewalk, Haven Interactive Studios etc, the point was to have THOSE teams make those games and Japan Studio focus on Astrobot, Naughty Dog focus on single player stuff, Insomniac etc. So I don't see this as a testing of waters as Sony has a long history of MP titles since PS1 days, they fully get the idea of social games and I think they know its something that is worth it to continue.
We saw them evolve from doing sports stuff like NBA, Football with 989 games NHL Faceoff, MLB etc and racing titles like GT series, Twisted Metal, Jet Moto to series like Cool Boarders.
To PS2 having online functionality and seeing titles Everquest and Socom, Killzone, GT series, EyeToy, and many more
You see just as much as a push during the PS3 days with Resistance, Killzone 2, Warhawk remake, Motorstorm, DC Universe, Eye Of Judgement, MP modes in Uncharted, The Last Of Us etc
During the PS4 is where you see a transition is happening as they work out how their next online move will be. You see them sell SOE and outside of Driveclub, Killzone SF, MLB The Show etc, you see them take maybe the biggest break from MP in a long time. This is where I think that restructuring is happening
(Similar to when
Danjin44
and I were talking about the whole PS having less JRPGs thing) it could be due to 3rd parties doing the bulk of the MP heavy lifting, as in COD, Madden, Fifa, MineCraft, Destiny and they saw fit to take this time to focus on doing an online thing later on when they can make sense of it, but was not a massive priority as the install base was already getting games in this genre. You see Horizon release without a MP, The Last Of Us 2 release without a MP, God Of War release without one etc It could be cause the wild cost of gaming, how complex development is now vs back then, how competitive that genre is, you can't afford to have MP as some "side thing" it MUST be the main focus and of a team that specializes in this area
THIS is when I think the wheels start going at Sony imho to buy Bungie and start looking for those MP teams. They tried it by having their single player teams add it on and it makes sense to let those teams focus on single player and seek MP teams to create those concepts with more focus and only by teams that have a history of this. But this isn't really a mid gen move, it likely took the whole gen for them to really get some structure to start laying out how they'd release those online games.
Semi OT
Danjin44
to your point earlier, I think you see Sony doing less of those game today cause the 3rd party teams that exist right now get most of their sales from PS anyway, so like Sony buying Bungie to assist with that MP gap, I would not be shocked if Sony bought Square or Sega and that might be why you see them not doing like a Wild Arms title in house or White Knight Chronicles 3 or somethingthatsafakewebsitebro
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This is about the 4th thread I’m seeing today talking about Sony’s downfall/creative bankruptcy/financial troubles. I didn’t know the ops ran their campaigns like politicians do.
TheDarkPhantom
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No but dime a dozen threads like this are 200% creatively bankrupt 
SwordofOlympus
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A lot of butt-hurt fanboys are disappointed their corporate daddy is being criticized in this thread lmaoooo
With that being said, I miss Sony circa PS1 - PS3 era. Besides Nioh and Ghosts of Tsushima, I found the PS4 and PS5 lackluster. Oh, and the original Uncharted Trilogy was ace.
With that being said, I miss Sony circa PS1 - PS3 era. Besides Nioh and Ghosts of Tsushima, I found the PS4 and PS5 lackluster. Oh, and the original Uncharted Trilogy was ace.
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Edgelord79
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darrylgorn
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Nah, they just realize there's not much space left for AAA games.
StreetsofBeige
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Makes sense. But game companies dont understand that. They still think they can me-too a stodgy copycat game and win sales from other successful games on pure willpower and luck.
Like anything in life, there's only so much time, money and motivation. it gets to a point the pie doesn't get bigger. It gets bigger due to inflation prices or rides 2% population growth maybe. But not giant gains as it's saturation city. Just sliced up into smaller pieces and random game X is trying to carve out their own slice. It's like toothpaste. 100 new companies can release toothpaste tomorrow on shelves. Unless people all brush their teeth 24 hours a day, the pie isnt going to get bigger. Just swapped around.
It's like the rumoured 2k soccer game. FIFA sells what? 20M or so copies per year?
Let's say Soccer 2k25 sells 5M copies. The chances of total sales going to 25M is slim. It might go up. Or maybe it stays at 20M total but EA goes down to 15M.
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poodaddy
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Eh, I think the whole industry is kind of shit right now, just kind of a low point in my opinion. It'll get better, but both Xbox and PS have been sucking as of late, Ninty's next console is sorely needed at this point, and PC hardware prices are comically fuckin stupid right now. I'm glad I have other obligations occupying my time and that I don't have a lot of time to game these days, as I don't personally feel I'm currently missing anything.
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TheDreadLord
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Lately, I can’t help but feel that PlayStation’s biggest games are becoming a bit repetitive. The “Uncharted” and “The Last of Us” formula has been successful, but now it feels overused. Their most recent releases, while polished, lack variety. They seem to focus too much on the same core gameplay elements, and it’s starting to wear thin.
I’d love to see them take more risks, experiment with different genres, and move away from this increasingly predictable model.
I’d love to see them take more risks, experiment with different genres, and move away from this increasingly predictable model.
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iHaunter
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Meanwhile Nintendo make the same 6 games for 30 years. No one makes a single thread. lol