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Is there a cocky character with a worse fight record than Vegeta?

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Gobias

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What Vegeta does having going for him is that he ends up becoming stronger than nearly everyone who has beaten him before.

I really feel like the whole "saiyans get stronger after recovering from fatal injuries" stuff was just random nonsense to help Vegeta keep up. It never really felt like Goku or Gohan were given these advantages.
 
Vegeta's the guy that runs into the stadium and jumps into the ring and pins a dude after he's already been down for a 9 count. Anything to try and inflate that win percentage.



The red and blue speed guys from the Ginyu force. Plus Goku was the one who beat Nappa, Vegeta just stole the kill.

I think Vegeta killed the Red guy by himself.
 
Vegeta's got that American hubris. "Everything is awful and you're losing horribly? Still the best."

On the note of others like him: Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer was pretty bad. Kills two slayers and a fuck ton of people and demons over his lifetime. Gets beat by one slayer and then can't even kill a single vampire in a 1v1. Multiple times.

He bounces back, though.

My main point is that Spike dropped hard. BtVS was really bad with consistency in its "power levels"
 
He's been the most powerful being several times during the show, but Goku or the main villain always reach a new power level soon after. It's kind of fucked up.
The best thing would be for him to get used to the fact that his supremacy is only momentary, and short at that.

Poor bastard.
 
I really feel like the whole "saiyans get stronger after recovering from fatal injuries" stuff was just random nonsense to help Vegeta keep up. It never really felt like Goku or Gohan were given these advantages.

Yea, instead Gohan got some random "hidden potential" advantage, lol
 

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I really feel like the whole "saiyans get stronger after recovering from fatal injuries" stuff was just random nonsense to help Vegeta keep up. It never really felt like Goku or Gohan were given these advantages.

Gohan specifically. Dude had all of one death all series. By the end of the series he's still the strongest guy in the group and the only reason he doesn't fight Kid Buu and win is because Goku and Vegeta want to do it themselves.

I think Vegeta killed the Red guy by himself.

Nah, he was part of the Goku beatdown. He took on both at once and worfed them.
 

Two Words

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Vegeta was only able to beat Jeice because Goku gave him a senzu bean, and suddenly it was made to be the case that saiyans get stronger when recovering from injuries. Vegeta needed retconning to win.
 

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Doesn't Trunks also blast Vegeta away when Cell is looking for 18. He also has some embarrassing losses in Super which are even worse than Yamchas saibamen death.



Vegeta sucks.
 

Jigorath

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Vegeta was only able to beat Jeice because Goku gave him a senzu bean, and suddenly it was made to be the case that saiyans get stronger when recovering from injuries. Vegeta needed retconning to win.

You're bothered by asspull powerups in Dragon Ball Z?
 
Honestly Piccolo's record is probably worse

Really most superhero villains have the worst possible record in this regard. they are literally always bragging about how powerful they are and how the hero has no chance, only to get completely stomped 95 times out of 100.

I guess Hiei is one of the few exceptions.
 

zeemumu

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Hercule. He seems to exude some kind of kayfabe field that that prevents the audience from knowing how badly he's getting his ass kicked.

Wimp Lo from Kung Pow. He was bleeding, making him the victor.

Blue from Pokemon. He may have beaten the gyms and the Elite Four but he's lost to me on countless occasions.

Every Prosecutor in Phoenix Wright

Genos in One Punch Man is getting there. He gets less cocky after Saitama shows him that he ain't shit but he still has that cocky way about him whenever he fights someone when Saitama isn't around.
 
I've been skipping through some episodes of DBZ, andtwo things are constant throughout. Vegeta is cocky and Vegeta loses. It's not even such a big deal that he loses, but he acts like he never loses. He doesn't even fight against the odds because it is what an honorable warrior does. He just has delusions that he will win every fight.


This list is comprised from my memory and what I've seen skipping around so far (insignifcant or assissted wins are ignored):



Vegeta makes his first appearance on Earth and fights Earth's defenders, who are all outclassed by him, besides Goku.
Loses to Goku/Gohan, 0-1

Vegeta visits Namek to continue his quest for the dragon balls.
Loses to Zarbon, 0-2

Vegeta is assisted by some convenient ret-conning. Suddenly, super sayans are made to be even stronger after recovering from a fatal injury. Goku lost many battles as a child, but was never made stronger from them. I guess the writers felt that Vegeta needed a handicap.
Defeats Zarbon, 1-2

Vegeta shits his pants for once and recognizes when he is outclassed in a rare moment when the Ginyu Force arrives.
Loses to Recoome, 1-3

Vegeta gets cocky on the power of writer's assistance and thinks his recovery will let him beat Frieza just like how it helped him beat Zarbon. Frieza easily disbatches Vegeta. Vegeta manages to spit out his sob story to Goku. This moment is meant to humanize Vegeta and make the viewer realize that Vegeta was actually a victim of Frieza and had no chance to be any other way. Viewers knew this moment well. It was the same kind of moment Piccolo had against Nappa. However, these were just meaningless dying bitch tears. Vegeta will not learn from this after being revived later.
Killed by Frieza, 1-4

Vegeta trains non stop to become a super saiyan, crying that Goku achieved it before him. Once he reaches it, his ego also becomes a super saiyan. This is sadly fed with his defeat of Android 19, the weakest of all androids.
Defeats Android 19, 2-4

Vegeta is being repeatedly told by Trunks that Android 17 and 18 are far too powerful for him. Trunks is telling him that in his time, Vegeta and all the other fighters have been killed by them, and these versions of the androids are even stronger. He literally has somebody from the future telling him what will happen. But his ego will not be stopped and he is quickly left with a broken body by Android 18.
Loses to Android 18, 2-5

Vegeta trains in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a year and his ego is recharged. He has no idea how strong Cell is now, but still believes he is destined to win.
Loses to Cell, 2-6

Vegeta watches his son be murdered by Perfect Cell. Goku, his greatest rival, sacrificed himself to stop Cell, while Vegeta refused to even acknowledge Trunks as his son, who simply wanted to save his father as well as to get to finally know him. Both Goku and Gohan have suffered great losses in battle. Both of them reached new peaks from them and defeated foes that easily outclassed them. Vegeta just puts on a meaningless fireworks show before being one-punched by Perfect Cell. This moment was meant to try and re-humanize Vegeta. It proves to fail again later.
Loses to Perfect Cell, 2-7

Vegeta can't stop being mopey over how his birthplace doesn't give him everything like he was told. When he sees Goku again after several years, he sees that he is still no match for Goku. The only logical conclusion is to do something equivalent to selling his soul to the devil for strength. Even in this form, he still cannot beat an already-dead Goku who is simply defending himself against Vegeta.
Fails to defeat Goku, 2-8

Vegeta underestimates Maijin Buu and is beaten.
Defeated by Maijin Buu, 2-9

Vegeta fights Kid Buu in an act of desperation, but loses as expected.
Defeated by Kid Buu, 2-10

OP apparently struggling with common core and doesn't know how to count.
 

Two Words

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You're bothered by asspull powerups in Dragon Ball Z?

It is a terrible retcon. Yeah, hitting new potentials due to some traumatic moment is silly, but at least it is a consistant thing in Dragon Ball. Only Vegeta gets to put the game into easy-mode after losing.
 
Vegeta was only able to beat Jeice because Goku gave him a senzu bean, and suddenly it was made to be the case that saiyans get stronger when recovering from injuries. Vegeta needed retconning to win.

Wasn't Goku the first one to get a zenkai boost in the ship on the way to Namek?
 

chaosblade

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It's been over a decade since I've seen the series but I remember Dodoria being built up as a big deal. I'd at least count that one if you are going to count Zarbon.

I only recall him cleaning up the Ginyu Force after Goku beat them so I wouldn't count those.

He had also clearly beaten Semi-Perfect Cell, he just refused to finish him off to try to get a better fight.

I don't even remember Kui.
 
One thing that made me mad in the last DBZ movie was it was finally Vegeta's time to shine, kill Freeza, and get not only his pride redeemed but revenge for his people and family. Still found a way for Goku to take the W.

Really lame imo.

I like Vegeta but yeah his struggle is pretty nonsense.
 

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Nahyuta Sahmadhi from Ace Attorney 6.

He's supposed to be such a legendary foreign prosecutor that they fly him in from the far east so that he can prosecute cases in Japanifornia. His character is basically a Jehovah's Witness. He describes the many ways you're doomed to hell for being a defense attorney and prays for you to be reincarnated as various insects. He often throws his prayer beads at you and tries to convince you to give up, accept death and let it go.

He loses every single case in the game. Its kind of difficult to see him as a threat when he gets an ass whooping every single time you face him in court.
 

Jigorath

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Hiei was a Vegeta that understood Yusuke was the main character. He never even tried to fight Toguro for example. Vegeta always wants to be the one who takes on the big bad, but that's just not his lot in life.
 

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One thing that made me mad in the last DBZ movie was it was finally Vegeta's time to shine, kill Freeza, and get not only his pride redeemed but revenge for his people and family. Still found a way for Goku to take the W.

Really lame imo.

I like Vegeta but yeah his struggle is pretty nonsense.

Vegeta lost that fight. Goku and the blue guy had to save him by reversing time, Vegeta let Freeza blow the planet up.

Even in Super he's trash lol
 
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His whole shtick is "only the strong should survive ggrarrrr!" yet he's a total coward

He forces all his enemies to go through the gauntlet so they would be completely fatigued by the time they reach him while also having his wife relay to him all their fighting techniques.

And he still got bodied.
 

Two Words

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Not really fair. Goku, the hero, is like 6- 4 in fights. The characters get their asses kicked more in dragonball in general.

Losing isn't the problem. Tien and Krillin never win, but that's fine. They're in for the fight when they have to. They know that the odds are stacked against them. They fight with bravery, not delusions.
 
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