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Is there a cocky character with a worse fight record than Vegeta?
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I think the show said he stopped shaving his head when he stopped training after the Cell games.
Not in any reality. Rukia is trash.
BKatastrophe
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It's not necessarily that they lose their power, but that they exist solely for Buffy. Therefore everything they do seems lesser by comparison.
The Spike and Angel fight could have gone either way, but I feel like they made it fairly clear that Angel lost because his heart wasn't in it. He doubted himself and became apathetic. That's what a lot of the first half of S5 is about: losing his way. He was starting to do it out of obligation and not because he wanted to loke in S1-3.
It's made clear pretty early on that he just acts like that, and he'd much rather just study and do well at school, but he feels like he has something to prove. It's why he drops out after the Sensui incident. That and he felt he would hold them back.
BobTheFork
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Tank Abbot
He wouldn't rather study. He just knows that he needs to take education more seriously later in the story. I don't know what you mean by he "just acts like that". How does one "act" like that when they repeatedly put their life on the line?
that sound fun, do you have the youtube link for that video
I thought SSJ3 was a form that could only be held temporarily and exhausts the person. Makes sense that he didn't use it against Vegeta. Goku has worse screw ups. When Cell was taking on Android 17 and 18, Goku knew what was going on. He could have easily instant transmissioned all of the androids away from Cell. Hell he eventually does that, but instead it's just to do it to save Tien and Piccolo.
Oh jesus, yeah if you include the movies then he eats Ls for breakfast
Alternatively - He know's Goku's an idiot and took advantage of it. Because Goku is an idiot.
Baleoce
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Pui-pui from the Buu saga as well.
BasilZero
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Makes up for all the Ls, I agree!
MaximumSpider
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"AND YOU SAY YOU'RE THE PRINCE OF THE SPACE WARRIORS!?"Best scene in that movie.
NHarmonic.
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Maybe we need a hunterxhunter one to discuss the horribly underwhelming defeat of the chimera ants.
John Kowalski
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No. Krillen always shaved his head because he wanted the edge in battles. He has hair because 18 likes him with hair.
Vegeta has a better fight record than Goku not counting movies.
Goku's (adult) Record
Piccolo - Win
Radditz - Loss
Nappa - Win
Vegeta - Loss
Racoom - Win
Burter/Jeice - Win
Ginyu - Loss
Frieza - Win
19 - Loss
Perfect Cell - Loss
Yakon - Win
Maijin Vegeta - Draw
Fat Buu - Draw
Kid Buu - Loss
Beerus - Loss
Golden Frieza - Loss
Batomo - Win
Frost - Loss
Hit - Loss
Goku Black - Loss
Merged Zamasu - Loss
W/L = 7:12
Vegeta's Record
Goku - Win
Goku/Gohan/Krillin/Yajirobi - Loss
Cui - Win
Daddoria - Win
Zarbon - Loss
Zarbon - Win
Racoom - Loss
Jeice - Win
Frieza - Loss
19 - Win
18 - Loss
Imperfect Cell - Win
Perfect Cell - Loss
Pui Pui - Win
Goku - Draw
Fat Buu - Loss
Kid Buu - Loss
Beerus - Loss
Golden Frieza - Loss
Frost - Win
Magetta - Win
Cabba - Win
Hit - Loss
Goku Black - Loss
Goku Black - Win
Merged Zamasu - Loss
W/L = 12:12
Goku's (adult) Record
Piccolo - Win
Radditz - Loss
Nappa - Win
Vegeta - Loss
Racoom - Win
Burter/Jeice - Win
Ginyu - Loss
Frieza - Win
19 - Loss
Perfect Cell - Loss
Yakon - Win
Maijin Vegeta - Draw
Fat Buu - Draw
Kid Buu - Loss
Beerus - Loss
Golden Frieza - Loss
Batomo - Win
Frost - Loss
Hit - Loss
Goku Black - Loss
Merged Zamasu - Loss
W/L = 7:12
Vegeta's Record
Goku - Win
Goku/Gohan/Krillin/Yajirobi - Loss
Cui - Win
Daddoria - Win
Zarbon - Loss
Zarbon - Win
Racoom - Loss
Jeice - Win
Frieza - Loss
19 - Win
18 - Loss
Imperfect Cell - Win
Perfect Cell - Loss
Pui Pui - Win
Goku - Draw
Fat Buu - Loss
Kid Buu - Loss
Beerus - Loss
Golden Frieza - Loss
Frost - Win
Magetta - Win
Cabba - Win
Hit - Loss
Goku Black - Loss
Goku Black - Win
Merged Zamasu - Loss
W/L = 12:12
crimzonflame
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Starscream
What's this from? I don't recal this scene, just that Kaji grew melons.
On topic: Nagi (and Bob) in the Tenjou Tenge anime
Also: I feel like Sasuke has a poor record mainly because his wins happen in such a way that I always feel like he didn't deserve the win and was over his head.
Ex: Danzo, Itachi, Killer Bee, Deidara
I thought he beat Pearl and basically drew against Gin?
Anyway, Vegeta.
Versus Goku, Gohan, Krillin, Yajirobe: Loss (0-1)
Versus Cui: Win (1-1)
Versus Dodoria: Win (2-1)
Versus Zarbon (round 1): Loss (2-2)
Versus Zarbon (round 2): Win (3-2)
Versus Guldo: Win (4-2)
Versus Recoome: Loss (4-3)
Versus Jeice: Win (5-3)
Versus Frieza (First Form): Win (6-3)
Versus Frieza (Second Form): Loss (6-4)
Versus Frieza (Final Form): Loss (6-5)
Versus Android 19: Win (7-5)
Versus Android 18: Loss (7-6)
Versus Cell (Second Form): Win (8-6)
Versus Perfect Cell (round 1): Loss (8-7)
Versus Perfect Cell (round 2): Loss (8-8)
Versus Puipui: Win (9-8)
Versus Goku: Draw? Kind of hard to tell with that one.
Versus Fat Buu: Loss (9-9)
Versus Kid Buu: Win* (10-9) (though obviously he spent the entire fight jobbing)
Versus Gold Frieza: Win* (11-9) (would've been a draw since Frieza was willing to blow himself up instead of taking the L)
Versus Cabba: Win (12-9)
Versus Frost: Win (13-9)
Versus Auta Magetta: Win (14-9)
Versus Hit: Loss (14-10)
Versus Zamasu/Goku Black (round 1): Loss (14-11)
Versus Zamasu/Goku Black (round 2): Win (15-11)
And then we're up to the present day. He generally gives as good as he gets and a few of those wins belong in asterisk territory, like having help against first-form Frieza and Guldo, along with the two i actually starred (but his very first loss does, too, since he needed all four people working against him).
Forceatowulf
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This OP is weak. How do you leave out so many confirmed kills? It's almost like you have an agenda.
And Vegeta beat Goku on earth. Period. It was a one on one until Vegeta got to deep in that ass and his son, best friend, and a sneaky fat man had to bail him out. That's an L, bruv - and You Goku-Stans need to learn to accept and hold said L.
And Vegeta beat Goku on earth. Period. It was a one on one until Vegeta got to deep in that ass and his son, best friend, and a sneaky fat man had to bail him out. That's an L, bruv - and You Goku-Stans need to learn to accept and hold said L.
Funny how Vegeta didn't feel that it was a win.
To be fair Vegeta did travel the universe as a mercenary when he was much weaker. Also pre Golden Freeza would still be one of the strongest people around. So if Vegeta ran into anyone most likely he should be much stronger than them. He also isn't that much weaker than the Saiyan golden child Goku. Also I don't think its fair to give Goku that win on earth, he had so much help and he basically beat Goku.
But Bulma is super high maintenance, so if you really think about it, he lost.
MaximumSpider
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He apparently beat a bunch of people off screen though.
He just can't take a hit from Luffy.
Among his amazing kills.
Crippled Napa
Unconscious Burter
Unconscious Recoome
Guldo while he was fighting someone else
Old namekians
The roach looking aliens
Jeice
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
Puipui
Hundreds of earthlings at the tournament
I might've missed a Saibaman or two.
tbf doesn't that logic apply to every prosecutor in the series.
I know they apparently win cases off screen and shit but Fran, Godot etc are all losers as far as the events of the games are concerned.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
w's are w's, bruv. Even the small ones.
Ended up putting Goku in a full body cast too. The ultimate W. (Or is the ult dub knocking up a fine billionaire and never having to work again. Hmm)
As I said, you gotta take what you can get with Vegeta. lol
Can't be worse, than having your life spared by the guy you put in a cast, and being inserted in a fish tank to recuperate.
soul creator
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Dan Hibiki?
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Vegetta basically married into the wealthiest family on Earth. Even if he cared about sustaining Bulma's caprices he would never need to work a day in his life to do so.
Dude's living the rich life and he doesn't even know it.
Permanently A
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Technically you're right but I feel it has more to do with the impression and reputation of the prosecutor.
Franny is a von Karma so her rep makes sense and she doesn't feel weak. It makes sense that they keep her around despite a loss or two.
Godot comes out of nowhere but he's totally unproven and no one says he's a legendary prosecutor or whatever, at least not that I can remember. My initial impression of him wasn't "oh shit this guy" but instead "who are you?"
In contrast, Nahyuta's "what an amazing foreign prosecutor!" reputation starts crumbling from the first case onwards and makes it increasingly unbelievable that they fly him in for some random case about noodles.
Nah, there's a difference. Edgeworth, Von Karma and Godot all had compelling arguments showing competence on a level far beyond Phoenix's pay grade, usually only undermined by their witnesses being asses, specious rebuttals and grandstanding with indifference being Godot's problem.
Franziscka is the first prosecutor in the series to show blatant incompetence repeatedly, followed by Gavin and finally Nay, usually relying on a ridiculous gimmick to get their point across. I understand why this is; the series had to slowly show the player being more competent as cases went by so wins are more a matter of course and not a tour de force. They do this with Phoenix's second year against Franziscka with her gradually realizing she can't win (lol) culminating in a pretty good payoff at the end of game 3, but sadly they play Gavin and Nay completely straight which is just...why?
I feel Blackquill was the best divide between competency and quirkiness, but then he was also kind of not very good at his job so...
It's not like Kaiba liked to play fair either. He summoned a bunch of monsters in his first duel with Yugi. And the entire purpose of bringing the duel disks to duelist kingdom was to throw people off their game.
Threatening to jump off a building if Yugi doesn't let him win is pretty bullshit. I think they're even as far as the early seasons nonsense.
I don't think there was any cheating when he lost to him in battle city, either.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Kumon Kaito from Kamen Rider Gaim.
Mister Wolf
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Bulma is pretty, a genius, rich as fuck, and could care less if vegeta works or pouts on their vacation. Vegeta got the best girl if you don't count Tights.
Vegeta jobbing to his own son was funny as hell. We never see a DBZ kid get the drop on their dad like this and the best part is that Trunks was all on the "I want to know my father" path not the "I've been shitstained by my father and need to prove my worth" path and he still ends up doing just that.
His whole shtick is "only the strong should survive ggrarrrr!" yet he's a total coward
He forces all his enemies to go through the gauntlet so they would be completely fatigued by the time they reach him while also having his wife relay to him all their fighting techniques.
And he still got bodied.
I get what you're saying but he was top dog of that cabal. Blind guy would've liked to be able to beat Shishio but even at the top of his game he never could.
Sojuro had the potential but he still was Shishio's apprentice.
On some level I suspect Anji would've been a tougher fight for everyone else except Sanuske because they both have walked the same path of getting screwed by the government while trying to do good so Sanoske's mental game was more on point.
Bloodlusted Aoiji is like the only one who I think could beat Shishio as he was then but look at what Shishio did.
He beat all 4 weakened fighters solo.
Kenchi being that much better at recovery saved everyone from total defeat.
Otaku Coder
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Hey, Seto Kaiba once defeated a woman who could see the future. When they were playing a card game.
In the new movie he also
beats Akagami and Atem himself.
The latter was an AI, but eh.
The latter was an AI, but eh.
KO Traveling Hobo
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She still ended up catching the L for that one.
I think it's from promotional material, or maybe a drama CD or something.
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