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[Black_Stride]

I can bet you a hitler simulator would fly off the shelves and people wouldn't make as much a stink as they are with this. Don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that

EDIT:
Decided to put both so you can play whichever headcanon you have.

 

[H From Steps]

Anyone advocating for this game is insane lol it's not that murder is "okay" and rape isn't it's that the way each is portrayed, the impact they have on people, and the messages they send are very different. And when it comes to interactive media, where you're not just watching but participating, those lines matter a lot more.

In games with murder (like action games), the violence is usually tied to survival, challenge, or stylized conflict it's part of the gameplay loop.

A rape simulator, by contrast, centers sexual violence as the fantasy, not a consequence, but the goal That flips the moral compass and makes it feel like a glorification of abuse, rather than a fictional event in a narrative.

 

[Last Hearth]

Do you really argue that we need to validate the feelings of people who want to play to play rape porn games.
I do not argue that my feelings are more valid. I say that I think that it is morally bankrupt to encourage or defend games like these. The difference to games and movies about violence is that violent porn is almost always impulsively driven, while watching media about war and violence is not necessarily driven by impulse while people usually watch porn with an impulse or urge. People don't have an urge to kill when watching violent media but people do have a sexual impulse / urge when watching porn. Therein lies the problem. Certain people get sexually pleased and aroused by violent porn.

No, I'm arguing that we should let the market decide and not let any one group of people have the power to determine for others what is and isn't appropriate, because I don't trust any of them with that kind power to not go on a power trip once they have it.

 

[nkarafo]

Censorship is suppression(or banning) of something being in this case read/seen.
The same way this game wasnt censored but the hate campaign that followed could be consider an attempt at censoring, which kinda worked as dev pulled the game so i guess he self censored.

nkarafo was "trying" to censor @DelireMan7 from expressing his opinion basically by belittling him saying you have no right to tell people what they can and cannot jack off too.
(note he has every right to tell people he just cant force people)

The same way the harassment campaign could be seen as an attempt at censorship but not the actual act of censorship itself the same can be argued for when someone is made to feel their opinion doesnt matter and are made to feel they have no power over the matter.

The poster might now self censor posting that he doesnt believe incest rape should be thing people kink about.
In which case the censorship campaign will have worked.



His "opinion" was that there should be limits to peoples kinks being made public.
You told him to keep those limits to himself because he has no authority to decide what people jack off too.

You are literally trying to censor him from expressing his belief that people should have limits on their kinks being displayed.



P.S His sentence literally ends with....."in my opinion".

You deserve the gold medal in mental gymnastics.

Let's try again:

He said there should be a limit in what is acceptable, in his opinion. So, he has all the right to express this opinion. I didn't say he must keep the opinion to himself or censor him from saying. I said he can keep the self-imposed limit to himself, as in that limit should only affect him and not other adults, because he has no authority to impose any limit to other adults.

It's as simple as that. I know you thought you had your "gotha" moment there. But after that you just try to sloppily manipulate words and reach as far as you can to prove yourself right even though you clearly know you were wrong.

Oh and btw, i'm just pointing out you are wrong. I'm not trying to censor you here

 

[nkarafo]

In games with murder (like action games), the violence is usually tied to survival, challenge, or stylized conflict it's part of the gameplay loop.

Games like Manhunt, Hatred and Tormentor are literally murder/torture simulators. And i'm sure there are more games like that, those are just on top of my head.

If you are OK with this game being censored you should advocate for censoring those games too and also call people who defend them "insane" as well.. And then, who knows where the line is drawn. Maybe Mortal Kombat games fall in that line, maybe they must be censored too? Because they glorify violence with those over the top fatalities? Kinda?

If not then you are not being fair, plain and simple. It's a hypocrisy and a double standard.

This whole issue is nothing more than a case of people being more sensitive about one bad things VS other just as bad or even worse things. So a particular bad thing must be singled out because it triggers their personal feelings more. They don't care about the other equally as bad things because when it comes to them they are desensitized.

 

[DevilHunterX0]

Noone? Okay:

 

[H From Steps]

Games like Manhunt, Hatred and Tormentor are literally murder/torture simulators. And i'm sure there are more games like that, those are just on top of my head.

If you are OK with this game being censored you should advocate for censoring those games too and also call people who defend them "insane" as well.. And then, who knows where the line is drawn. Maybe Mortal Kombat games fall in that line, maybe they must be censored too? Because they glorify violence with those over the top fatalities? Kinda?

If not then you are not being fair, plain and simple. It's a hypocrisy and a double standard.

This whole issue is nothing more than a case of people being more sensitive about one bad things VS other just as bad or even worse things. So a particular bad thing must be singled out because it triggers their personal feelings more. They don't care about the other equally as bad things because when it comes to them they are desensitized.

it's a hyper-violent game that emphasizes realistic and disturbing depictions of killing. The mechanics and presentation are designed to be unsettling and visceral, which is why it's been banned or censored in several countries but no it's not literally simulating real-world murder for training or realistic execution. It's still a stylized video game with gameplay systems, not a realistic training tool. I would say it's more like a violent horror film you play through

 

[nkarafo]

it's a hyper-violent game that emphasizes realistic and disturbing depictions of killing. The mechanics and presentation are designed to be unsettling and visceral, which is why it's been banned or censored in several countries but no it's not literally simulating real-world murder for training or realistic execution. It's still a stylized video game with gameplay systems, not a realistic training tool. I would say it's more like a violent horror film you play through

Ok so the No Mercy game is bad, not because of it's rape themes but because it looks more realistic? Which i don't know if it is but you say it's a "realistic tool" so i'm taking your word for it.

If the game was more over the top or cartoony or humorous in it's depiction of rape, would that be OK with you then?

Somehow i HIGHLY doubt this would make even a tiny difference.

 

[H From Steps]

Ok so the No Mercy game is bad, not because of it's rape themes but because it looks more realistic? Which i don't know if it is but you say it's a "realistic tool" so i'm taking your word for it.

If the game was more over the top or cartoony or humorous in it's depiction of rape, would that be OK with you then?

Somehow i HIGHLY doubt this would make even a tiny difference.

If No Mercy included a strong narrative that explicitly condemned sexual violence, explored the consequences, and aimed to provoke discussion or awareness (like some films and books do), it might be more acceptable in certain circles ( I certainly wouldn't mind it). But even then, it's extremely sensitive territory. The interactive nature of games makes this very different from passive media like film or literature.

 

[Danjin44]

If the game was more over the top or cartoony or humorous in it's depiction of rape, would that be OK with you then?

I personally would say it's still bad taste regardless of artstyle.

If you are going for that type of subject matter then the narrative needs to be on point.

From what I can tell these devs just made this for sake of shock value instead of actually making good game.


If you played original Drakengard on PS2 it also tackles very dark subject matters but the difference is Yoko Taro knows how to write engaging story for video games.

 

[H From Steps]

I personally would say it's still bad taste regardless of artstyle.

If you are going for that type of subject matter then the narrative needs to be on point.

From what I can these devs just made this for sake of shock value instead of actually making good game.


If you played original Drakengard on PS2 it tackles very dark subject matters but the difference is Yoko Taro knows how to write engaging story for video games.

Exactly you've hit the nail. I'm certainly not against creative freedoms but if we just allow anything into our society. Right and wrong starts getting murky.

 

[nkarafo]

If No Mercy included a strong narrative that explicitly condemned sexual violence, explored the consequences, and aimed to provoke discussion or awareness (like some films and books do), it might be more acceptable in certain circles ( I certainly wouldn't mind it).

So you can accept a murder themed game if it's stylized, funny and/or cartoony and doesn't take itself seriously.

But if it's a rape themed game, you only accept it if it's very serious about it's subject matter and checks all those boxes you mention.

I don't know, i'm still seeing a double standard here.

I personally would say it's still bad taste regardless of artstyle.

Fair enough. But would you say No Mercy is more of a bad taste than Tormentor or Manhunt?

From what I can tell these devs just made this for sake of shock value instead of actually making good game.

I agree. However, a lot of violent games meet this criteria. They make violent games for shock value only since the 80's.

Which is why i think the only difference here is that people are desensitized in violence and murder because there was always too much of it in games and movies, while anything of sexual nature (good or bad, doesn't matter) was always a taboo, especially in US. That's the only reason we have this topic about this particular game. Not because it's worse than Manhunt or Tormentor, they are all just as bad, but only because we got used to things like manhunt and tormentor. That's all there is to it.

 

[H From Steps]

So you can accept a murder themed game if it's stylized, funny and/or cartoony and doesn't take itself seriously.

But if it's a rape themed game, you only accept it if it's very serious about it's subject matter and checks all those boxes you mention.

I don't know, i'm still seeing a double standard here.

I get where you're coming from it does sound like a double standard at first glance. But the key difference isn't just about tone or stylization it's about what kind of harm both to players and to society.

Murder in games is almost universally fictionalized and detached from real personal trauma for most players. We see it in everything from cartoons to gritty shooters, and while it's still violence, it doesn't usually personally retraumatize large swaths of the audience.

Rape, on the other hand, is an extremely personal and traumatic experience that affects a huge number of people in real life. Depicting it, especially interactively, can easily come off as exploitative or harmful — unless it's handled with a tonof care, intention, and respect. It's not about being "okay with murder but not rape" — it's about understanding the emotional weight and real-life impact of those topics when presented in a game.

So yeah, the bar should be higher for how games handle rape. Not because of a double standard, but because of the very real consequences of getting it wrong.

Do you know anyone who was rape?

 

[nkarafo]

I get where you're coming from it does sound like a double standard at first glance. But the key difference isn't just about tone or stylization it's about what kind of harm both to players and to society.

Murder in games is almost universally fictionalized and detached from real personal trauma for most players. We see it in everything from cartoons to gritty shooters, and while it's still violence, it doesn't usually personally retraumatize large swaths of the audience.

Rape, on the other hand, is an extremely personal and traumatic experience that affects a huge number of people in real life. Depicting it, especially interactively, can easily come off as exploitative or harmful — unless it's handled with a tonof care, intention, and respect. It's not about being "okay with murder but not rape" — it's about understanding the emotional weight and real-life impact of those topics when presented in a game.

So yeah, the bar should be higher for how games handle rape. Not because of a double standard, but because of the very real consequences of getting it wrong.

That's a reasonable take. I don't agree 100% with everything said but you don't give me enough room to argue.

 

[peek]

I've barely put any points into my morality stat and I still can't justify defending a mommy rape sim lol

Excuse me sir? Can you come down from your horse? Its so high up I have a hard time hearing what youre saying.

Come on down into the dirt baby, roll around its nice and warm xD

 

[peek]

Yea Im same, I am fine with all other stuff but just something about a rape simulator that just doesn't sit well

Same. Im more a murder and torture simulator type.

 

[Killer8]

A shrine is destroyed in a game set in ancient Japan - ban this sick filth

The rape simulator gets taken away - help, i'm being oppressed!

 

[ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT]

Nowadays feminism/wokeism is crazy strong around the world, so yup, we better steel our resolve coz tons of ppl will have crazy views and bad takes, i mean they cant even answer simple question- what is a woman? U think those ppl have any bit of logics/sanity in them?
Especially tons of westerners, especially younger ppl below 35yo got hard indoctrinated by living exposed to all that bullshit, dunno if even those changes are reversable in society or we gonna go to some nasty end sooner rather than later, my only hope is- those ppl will simply have so few children that as long as they dont recruit new kids/teens into their woke agenda- give it 50years and most will simply die out.

It's full of sissies with high-pitched voices out there now, I swear. Just give capes to all these neo-puritans asking for bans in porn, and you'd think you were living in the 1700s.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

It's full of sissies with high-pitched voices out there now, I swear. Just give capes to all these neo-puritans asking for bans in porn, and you'd think you were living in the 1700s.

I would actually respect the folks from the 1960s/1970s asking for bans way more than the crazy folks today doing it.

I have went back to see some of those old shows/movies from the 1960s, 1970s and I find it pretty interesting with the way people acted at that time. It's more simple, slower, and innocent like. It's why even horror things I see from the movies are laughable to me while they find it scary because it was a more innocent and less corruptive time so I guess you can call them sissies. But you know what I would actually respect those kind of SJWs way more than todays because those folks truly believe a lot of the porn stuff are evil and corruptive and while you could call them sissies but at least they were sane as it was a more innocent time and they were genuine in what they believe in. But the ones today being SJWs aren't doing it because they're genuine but more of because they want to stick to the other side while they themselves do support something even more insane and nasty, or that they don't want sexy things like Stellar Blade, Rebirth, Tekken etc in games because they are either jealous or it goes against their insane twisted ideas that woman and males should be opposite of what they're suppose to be.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Sure. But a lot of people think that having fantasies about committing illegal actions- especially rape- is pretty fucked up regardless of what the law says.

Fucked up but no illegal.

 

[Thanati]

It was a game about rape.

Why are you complaining about banning a game...about rape?