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[MSduderino]

Everyone trying to view this either through a theoretical lens or make it an issue of right vs left. We should be able to discuss is this an appropriate game for a mainstream gaming platform like steam without drifting into politics (but maybe I'm being naive. This is the internet in 2025.)

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

So people justify violence and killing in games because it's against the "bad guys"
And who exactly determines who is "bad" and who is "good"? I'm pretty sure I think some people are pretty bad that some others here are huge fans of.

What an infantile way of looking at the world.

If all it takes to rationalize killing is thinking the "victim" is a bad guy, just think the characters in these rape games are all bad guys and bad girls

fucks sake...

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Its a fine line and on your point I can agree, but where is the line , who draws it.

Its crazy to me as there are people like feminists who are a ok with only fans and sex shit and will defend having pictures of sex acts in books for kids, then call parents wanting them removed from school libraries bigots and nazis, and anti free speech. The same people will then demand things like bond get censored or anything written from before 2015 really, especially if a man wrote it and found women attractive, male gaze, yada yada yada. f

On the opposite side you have the hardcore evangelicals who want to ban everything too for religious reasons. I remember the Satanic panic well. My friends mom called my mom and accused me of opening a portal to hell with my D&D books into her home and corrupting her son. My mom told her off, and called her nuts. We were Christian too, just not the nutter kind.

There is a point where these groups agree and eventually they will agree on violence in video games. They would all love for it to just be walking simulators, mario, sports and puzzle games.

So I can agree that there needs to be a line, but it needs to be clearly defined and allow the broadest form of expression possible while not decaying society. How is that done?

I'm not too sure honestly besides the obvious like a game where it's clearly about raping children or as mentioned by others before, a game where you play as a nazi which also gloried and encouraged you to harm Jewish folks etc. Those are obvious way worse than Incest and should be 100% removed even if they don't try to push it on anyone or get popular.

Now with things like Incest, or games about abomination switching genders, and other crazy ideas that identity themselves in whatever way(veilguard, Dustborn) etc. obvious still disgusting and very bad but if they keep to their own little tiny corners and isn't pushing it to everyone or a big popular game than it's whatever for me even though I also wouldn't mind them disappearing either.

So as mentioned for No mercy, I don't give a crap whether it stays or gets deleted. It's the same as any porn game on Steam, as I can't imagine any of them having fun content/gameplay or lore.

I also agree with you about never removing the 70s/80s style sexy characters or just sexy characters in general be it fantasy, sci-fi or whatever as not only is that completely fine but also awesome.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Sure why not if somebody wants to make that make it, except that might be banned through the law too in some countries.

GTA5 is not satire in its story. We don't see violence against children or rape simply because they want to avoid the AO rating because it sells more with M or PG13. The limit should be the law and the law alone. Not somebody else dictating what's possible arbitrarily.

Hate to date myself, but there was a somewhat popular game a long time ago where you'd get double points for running over pregnant women...

based game lol

 

[peek]

these two side by side just fuckn perf xD the duality

 

[Three]

Isn't that what the law is?

If it became law not to show any rape or violence in media, I assume you would therefore be okay with this?

If there was some scientific established link which showed how it harms people for it to come into law then yes. I would be OK with a ban on violence and rape in games.

 

[Three]

Hate to date myself, but there was a somewhat popular game a long time ago where you'd get double points for running over pregnant women...

based game lol

I remember that game. Still have the magazines that mention its release.

 

[Futaleufu]

If there was some scientific established link which showed how it harms people for it to come into law then yes. I would be OK with a ban on violence and rape in games.

Are you ok with a violence and rape ban on all media?

 

[Three]

Are you ok with a violence and rape ban on all media?

Not currently no, he was asking if hypothetically I would be OK if it was banned because of the law. I said if it was shown to directly harm people and came into law then yeah but such a thing doesn't happen or exist.

 

[EverydayBeast]

I'm not sure I would compare gears of war to some adult rape game banned on steam recently.

 

[yogaflame]

I don't like too much censorship, but for me, anything related to rape and incest or encouraging satanic rituals and sacrifice, that is way out of line already.

 

[Futaleufu]

Not currently no, he was asking if hypothetically I would be OK if it was banned because of the law. I said if it was shown to directly harm people and came into law then yeah but such a thing doesn't happen or exist.

Some people in the 70s thought "A Clockwork Orange" actively harmed people

 

[calico]

A game about beating up women shouldn't even have a platform. It's insane we even have to talk about this.

What if it's a thing you can do in the game but not the primary focus of the game?

 

[March Climber]

Its a fine line and on your point I can agree, but where is the line , who draws it.

Normally, "who draws it" is each institution and company has it's own set of rules and boundaries. For example, you can't randomly call someone an N-word with a hard R on GAF, because it's against the rules of GAF.

You know this. I know this. Everyone here knows this. But for some reason, some people every once in a while will pretend as if GAF doesn't have rules, and try to push that line as far as possible until their name is suddenly crossed out or until they make an account suicide thread because their post was edited.

This change in perception can just about be traced back to when twitter's rules were changed to allow all forms of harassment, slurs, porn, etc. on it's platform to the detriment of society, to where people online now think that everything ever, no matter how heinous, should be allowed all under the guise of "free speech" whenever you go to any site or platform as if they are entitled to such a thing, failing to understand the reason why sites like 4chan existed in the first place.

Steam has failed with it's own set of rules and boundaries, because this game was never supposed to make it past the vetting process onto the store page in the first place. The only reason this small controversy news has happened in the first place is because Valve needs a better vetting process for the mountains of mess that comes through.

OP is trying to claim this is some new wave of bans when it is a singular extreme game that should have stayed on XXX sites. The one thing that I can agree on with the people asking 'why this specific game' is that yes, for Steam's sake it should be a blanket 'all games like this should go' instead of a 'pick and choose what I personally don't like to go'.

The latter leads to unnecessary chatter and arguments where one side is taking the contrarian stance simply because they don't like the other side, so they are finding themselves in a situation where they end up defending a rape game on Steam due to this. It's dumb, but again, the fault of this goes to the source, Steam.

 

[Last Hearth]

I don't think it is a question of wokeism or feminism for crying out loud.
The game banned was a porn game about rape and incest. That is a question of morals. I don't know about other people but I don't think rape and incest should be glorified, monetized or sexualized in a porn game on steam, but maybe that is just me.

The problem is there will be other people who feel other things such as murder (which half of all games probably involve), violence, and other things shouldn't be glorified, monetized, etc, and what do you say when they want to take those games off steam. Why is their feeling any less valid than yours?

 

[calico]

Hate to date myself, but there was a somewhat popular game a long time ago where you'd get double points for running over pregnant women...

based game lol

They changed the pedestrians to zombies in the UK version and robots in the German version I believe. So it's an interesting example of how different countries have addressed this issue over the years.

I remember playing Carmageddon 2 with friends growing up, one of us would drive and another one would control the car doors (you could open the doors to hit the pedestrians lol). Awesome game.

 

[GHound]

Murder, torture, war crime simulator good. My favorite pass times actually.
Rape game bad. To be fair I don't like them either.
Doxxing good if someone who make thing I dislike. Support doxxing.

 

[Crayon]

Some people in the 70s thought "A Clockwork Orange" actively harmed people

Well, some people in the seventies were born at the turn of the century. Things do change. Maybe one day Mom rape won't be viscerally repulsive to 9 out of 10 people, but that day is not today.

 

[Futaleufu]

Well, some people in the seventies were born at the turn of the century. Things do change. Maybe one day Mom rape won't be viscerally repulsive to 9 out of 10 people, but that day is not today.

I dont play rape games but I dont judge people who do, just like I dont judge people playing Mass Murder Simulator.

 

[IDKFA]

If there was some scientific established link which showed how it harms people for it to come into law then yes. I would be OK with a ban on violence and rape in games.

I see.

Well in some countries the game actually is illegal and breaks laws, such as the UK. So I'm sure you'll have no issue with it being banned there.

Home Secretary hails victory for LBC after vile rape and incest game pulled from download in UK

The Home Secretary has hailed LBC's efforts getting a video game which touts itself as an "incest and non-consensual sex" simulator banned in the UK.

www.lbc.co.uk

I should add that the UK has some of the strictest speech laws in the Western world. Laws that I hate as I feel the country is turning into East Germany. However, with this "game" I don't see any issue at all.

 

[Three]

Some people in the 70s thought "A Clockwork Orange" actively harmed people

Ok? What are you getting at? I don't want it to be banned. Somebody just asked where the line is drawn and I said the line is current law which is why sexual depictions of minors is fundamentally different to other depictions of violence.

I see.

Well in some countries the game actually is illegal and breaks laws, such as the UK. So I'm sure you'll have no issue with it being banned there.

Home Secretary hails victory for LBC after vile rape and incest game pulled from download in UK

The Home Secretary has hailed LBC's efforts getting a video game which touts itself as an "incest and non-consensual sex" simulator banned in the UK.

www.lbc.co.uk

I should add that the UK has some of the strictest speech laws in the Western world. Laws that I hate as I feel the country is turning into East Germany. However, with this "game" I don't see any issue at all.

Again, what are you arguing if they're banning this and you agree but you don't agree with some other ban to speech? Are you just suggesting your own line is the way to go?

 

[nial]

Nowadays feminism/wokeism is crazy strong around the world

Independently of your position regarding censorship, if you actually believe that LE WOKE people are the only ones to have a problem with an 'unavoidable non-consensual sex' simulator, you're actually pretty damn fucking insane.

 

[IDKFA]

Ok? What are you getting at? I don't want it to be banned. Somebody just asked where the line is drawn and I said the line is current law which is why sexual depictions of minors is fundamentally different to other depictions of violence.

Again, what are you arguing if they're banning this and you agree but you don't agree with some other ban to speech? Are you just suggesting your own line is the way to go?

No idea.

I'm against censorship and dislike my countries strict speech laws, but this game has really tested that view. Morally I'm against it and want to see it burn, but does that make me different to people in the 90s calling for violent video games to be banned?

This one is really twisting my melon.

I'll have a beer and a flick off the wrist to think it over.

 

[nikolino840]

In regards to some of the threads on people banning games from Steam, I had a thought.
Are you people insane?

A game cannot hurt you. It has no feelings. Should we ban Gears of War now?

I keep seeing these puritan anti-artistic viewpoints all over now. WTF happened to game choice? I don't care what the content is as long its legal.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Ask to the japan gov

 

[deriks]

I can watch movies depicting violence in the cinema but can't watch a movie showing a dick penetrating a vagina.

This game has you commit rapes as your "right" to own these women, even your own mother. How many movies/TV shows have you seen where rape is glorified?

Glorified per se? I don't remember. I can say some movies/shows that has acting with raping, pedophiles and all sort of disturbing shit

- A Serbian Film - raping of a newborn child
- You - kidnaping and torture
- Hostel - torturing just because
- Antichrist - weird penetration sex scenes
- Cannibal Holocaust - this movie looked so real and disgusting that a investigation was made to be sure that was a movie and not the real shit

Are those to be censored?

 

[calico]

"Hatred fills your whole body. You're sick and tired of humanity's worthless existence. The only thing that matters is your gun and the pure Armageddon that you want to unleash.

You will go out for a hunt, and you will clear the New York outskirts of all humans with cold blood. You will shoot, you will hurt, you will kill, and you will die. There are no rules, there is no compassion, no mercy, no point in going back. You are the lord of life and death now - and you have full control over the lives of worthless human scum.

You will also run, you will need to think, you will need to hide and fight back when armed forces come to take you down. You will have no mercy for them, because they dare to stand in your way.

Only brutality and destruction can cleanse this land. Only a killing spree will make you die spectacularly and go to hell."

Available on Steam rn. Good job the character doesn't do anything really bad like rape in between murdering everyone.

 

[realcool]

- You - kidnaping and torture

Whoa, hold on! Where'd you hear about that?!

 

[Crayon]

I dont play rape games but I dont judge people who do, just like I dont judge people playing Mass Murder Simulator.

I DO judge people who play or watch stuff like this lol. That's the difference, really. I see it not as a censorship but as a social contract of today's society that we shun and shame this. I think you could do a man in the street quiz and the vast majority of people would say this is awful and shouldn't even exist. Even the ones who inside are turned on by it, most would at least understand why it's taboo.

Hate to say 'it is how it is', but most of us have been socialized to understand this. Flagrantly advertising it for money and just assuming only the few people who approve of it would notice was a bad move. There's no need to invoke the spectre of censorship in this case.

I wouldn't say it's a 100% clean-cut case, but it's close enough. If someone made a game about kidnapping and torturing your neighbors dogs then sending them videos of it to revel in maximum anguish, they'd also be cruising for pitchforks.

 

[Jinxed]

or encouraging satanic rituals and sacrifice, that is way out of line already.

That's your personal beliefs, don't judge how I spend my friday nights.

 

[laynelane]

How about a game where you play as a Nazi and round up/kill Jews? Maybe a game where you strip Jewish and Slav women naked, line them up in trenches and unleash a hail of bullets? No moral story to the game. You're only goal is to help out with some genocide.

If such a game existed then there would be calls from everyone to have it removed as it would be glorifying genocide, and rightly so as well.

Same with this game. Although we see rape in media, it's always portrayed as a repugnant act. We never side with a character who loves to rape and assault women.

Yeah, I was thinking something similar. This game's violence is targeted at a specific group - women. So, in order to use the killing people comparison, it would be more applicable to use an example of killing a specific group in a game.

 

[PeteBull]

Independently of your position regarding censorship, if you actually believe that LE WOKE people are the only ones to have a problem with an 'unavoidable non-consensual sex' simulator, you're actually pretty damn fucking insane.

Im not, but since we wanna ban rape/incest phantasy porn game, that sold few k copies so has 0 impact on society, how about we ban actual ideology that has been proven to have huge negative impact on society? Or if not ban then at least not give that ideology and ppl/institutions behind it(like that ugly old hag from "women in gaming") more power?

We wanna improve society or make sure it goes down under even faster here? Since thats the reason for banning particular game after all

We want equality, which feminism so proudly lies about- so where is ban for 50shades of grey books/movies? Thats rape/masochism/sadism phantasy, and contrary to that useless niche af steam game, those books actually sold well over 150m copies worldwide...

Fifty Shades of Grey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It contains explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving BDSM (bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism).

The trilogy had sold over 150 million copies worldwide by October 2017.

We banning that shit just like that degenerate niche game with few k sold copies, no?
Or is it different coz game is targeted to males, so its evil, books are targeted to females, so they are fine

 

[nkarafo]

GTA isn`t a prostitute murder simulator that revolves around immersively doing just that.

Right. Manhunt then.

 

[nial]

so where is ban for 50shades of grey books/movies?

You seriously think this was never attempted, at all?

 

[nkarafo]

Glorified per se? I don't remember. I can say some movies/shows that has acting with raping, pedophiles and all sort of disturbing shit

- A Serbian Film - raping of a newborn child
- You - kidnaping and torture
- Hostel - torturing just because
- Antichrist - weird penetration sex scenes
- Cannibal Holocaust - this movie looked so real and disgusting that a investigation was made to be sure that was a movie and not the real shit

Are those to be censored?

And those are just the mainstream stuff. Let's not even mention more niche stuff like the August Underground series or the snuff movies genre.

 

[PeteBull]

You seriously think this was never attempted, at all?

I dont really wanna ban those books, hell u can order them from amazon right now

https://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-Book-Trilogy/dp/0345803485

Im just saying same way they shouldnt be banned, steam shouldnt ban similar content but targeted to male audience(not to mention 150m+ milions of copies vs few k copies sold), especially when its asked/forced to do so by feminists/feminist ideology, that supposedly preaches equality, u would think feminists would rather focus on banning 150m+ copies sold degenerate phantasies that are worldwide known and extremly popular, than some niche indie game no1 knows about and no1 really bought
All those "rightous" and "pure" arguments literally mean nothing when its only used to ban content targeted at men, but content targeted at women doesnt have to meet any of those prerequisites and is fine to stay even on amazon.com

Funniest tho are GAF-ers comments when they feel the need to express how disgusted they feel by other men having weird(not illegal) sexual phantasies or even just trying such a niche game out of pure curiosioty to check what it is, while at the same time u know they will be white knighting for those half naked hoes showing their buttcheeks on insta

 

[Topher]

Yeah I'm just about done. This isn't a place I'm comfortable with conversing on or debating at the moment. I expected better.

Then you shouldn't have started the thread in the first place. You really think everyone is going to agree with one side of a controverisal subject like this? Incredibly naive my man.

 

[nial]

I dont really wanna ban those books, hell u can order them from amazon right now

https://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-Book-Trilogy/dp/0345803485

Im just saying same way they shouldnt be banned, steam shouldnt ban similar content but targeted to male audience(not to mention 150m+ milions of copies vs few k copies sold), especially when its asked/forced to do so by feminists/feminist ideology, that supposedly preaches equality, u would think feminists would rather focus on banning 150m+ copies sold degenerate phantasies that are worldwide known and extremly popular, than some niche indie game no1 knows about and no1 really bought
All those "rightous" and "pure" arguments literally mean nothing when its only used to ban content targeted at men, but content targeted at women doesnt have to meet any of those prerequisites and is fine to stay even on amazon.com

Funniest tho are GAF-ers comments when they feel the need to express how disgusted they feel by other men having weird(not illegal) sexual phantasies or even just trying such a niche game out of pure curiosioty to check what it is, while at the same time u know they will be white knighting for those half naked hoes showing their buttcheeks on insta

I mean that calls for bans on 50 Shades (both the books series and the film) have definitely been attempted over the course of years, this is not a case of media for men being specifically targeted for attack. You also need to understand that it was the developer's choice to take it out of the platform.
And sure, fight against censorship all you want, but turning this into yet another culture warring battle is not helping you in any way, especially when most of the forum doesn't seem to be having an issue over the game getting delisted.

 

[PeteBull]

I mean that calls for bans on 50 Shades (both the books series and the film) have definitely been attempted over the course of years, this is not a case of media for men being specifically targeted for attack. You also need to understand that it was the developer's choice to take it out of the platform.
And sure, fight against censorship all you want, but turning this into yet another culture warring battle is not helping you in any way, especially when most of the forum doesn't seem to be having an issue over the game getting delisted.

Media and content for men is definitely targeted/bannned/cut/demonetised nowadays, lets not kid ourselfs here
Men are shamed for having manly hobbies, standards, backbone, acting manly, while women are praised for doing hoe activities and acting straight up evil af, that is todays western world, no point living in delusion and pretending it is not so- we, men arent allowed to be delusional, otherwise we end up in the gutter, better know the truth even if said truth is harsh, at least u can prepare urself and act accordingly.

 

[rkofan87]

Nowadays feminism/wokeism is crazy strong around the world, so yup, we better steel our resolve coz tons of ppl will have crazy views and bad takes, i mean they cant even answer simple question- what is a woman? U think those ppl have any bit of logics/sanity in them?
Especially tons of westerners, especially younger ppl below 35yo got hard indoctrinated by living exposed to all that bullshit, dunno if even those changes are reversable in society or we gonna go to some nasty end sooner rather than later, my only hope is- those ppl will simply have so few children that as long as they dont recruit new kids/teens into their woke agenda- give it 50years and most will simply die out.

its a slippery slope no doubt.

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

I'm actually not against banning video games or censorship when needed.

My problem is with fucking hypocrites with agendas and virtue-signalling shallow ulterior motives that galvanize pearl-clutching zombies against things they have no business in because they have no life. Fucking fake outrage by fake fucks.

If the entity requesting a ban/censorship is reasonable in its request then acquiescing absolutely should be on the table. The videogame No Mercy was NOT one of those instances.

lmao and who's to decide when censorship is needed?

Don't forget, the one time a GTA game got an AO rating (san andreas) it was swiftly removed from retail too, essentially the same kind of "ban" that's being talked about here.

So, these games do get treated the same at the same age rating after all

Except Steam is riddled with AO equivalent games so if this had been banned that argument would be irrelevant.

Yeah, I was thinking something similar. This game's violence is targeted at a specific group - women. So, in order to use the killing people comparison, it would be more applicable to use an example of killing a specific group in a game.

Countless games depict violence against specific groups. Any War game, for instance.



This isn't even an issue of censorship. The game was removed by the devs "voluntarily". Supporting this game being removed is supporting the use of targeted harassment, threats and doxing in order to impose one's own morals on society. It's no different than radical Islamists threating to kill the creators of South Park if they showed a depiction of Mohammad. Except you happen to agree in this one case.

 

[nial]

Not sure if the thread about an 'unavoidable non-consensual sex' simulator getting delisted is the best place to show your resentment against women, but you do you.

 

[Crayon]

I dont really wanna ban those books, hell u can order them from amazon right now

https://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-Book-Trilogy/dp/0345803485

Im just saying same way they shouldnt be banned, steam shouldnt ban similar content but targeted to male audience(not to mention 150m+ milions of copies vs few k copies sold), especially when its asked/forced to do so by feminists/feminist ideology, that supposedly preaches equality, u would think feminists would rather focus on banning 150m+ copies sold degenerate phantasies that are worldwide known and extremly popular, than some niche indie game no1 knows about and no1 really bought
All those "rightous" and "pure" arguments literally mean nothing when its only used to ban content targeted at men, but content targeted at women doesnt have to meet any of those prerequisites and is fine to stay even on amazon.com

Funniest tho are GAF-ers comments when they feel the need to express how disgusted they feel by other men having weird(not illegal) sexual phantasies or even just trying such a niche game out of pure curiosioty to check what it is, while at the same time u know they will be white knighting for those half naked hoes showing their buttcheeks on insta

Now I'm trying talking to thread the merits of people's arguments even though I have a natural urge to judge on this stuff, but I have left more than one trigger emoji on your posts when talking about women. In fact, I struggle not to project stuff on you that you've never actually said because some of the s*** you did sent my mind reeling.

You're probably not looking for any feedback on that lol. Just sayin!

Edit: speech to text put "American" instead of "the merits of"

 

[rkofan87]

Now I'm trying talking to thread on American people's arguments even though I have a natural urge to judge on this stuff, but I have left more than one trigger emoji on your posts when talking about women. In fact, I struggle not to project stuff on you that you've never actually said because some of the s*** you did sent my mind reeling.

You're probably not looking for any feedback on that lol. Just sayin!

wtf is this woke like word salad

 

[PeteBull]

Now I'm trying talking to thread on American people's arguments even though I have a natural urge to judge on this stuff, but I have left more than one trigger emoji on your posts when talking about women. In fact, I struggle not to project stuff on you that you've never actually said because some of the s*** you did sent my mind reeling.

You're probably not looking for any feedback on that lol. Just sayin!

U can judge any1, bro, i got no problem with that, human beings do judge other ppl, thats natural and thats how it should be, im in my 40s, born in communist poland, my skin is pretty thick so no worries, i wont turn into emotional teenage girl here
And yeh, i got antifeminist and antiwoke views, just like most(80-90%?)of 4b men living on earth, thats the reason i never made account on rainbow forum, but here on gaf im doing fine

 

[Crayon]

wtf is this woke like word salad

That's me trying to tell him he sounds insane at the same time acknowledging that it doesn't necessarily mean he's insane lol..

So I'll give you word salad. The f*** is woke about it though?

 

[Crayon]

U can judge any1, bro, i got no problem with that, human beings do judge other ppl, thats natural and thats how it should be, im in my 40s, born in communist poland, my skin is pretty thick so no worries, i wont turn into emotional teenage girl here
And yeh, i got antifeminist and antiwoke views, just like most(80-90%?)of 4b men living on earth, thats the reason i never made account on rainbow forum, but here on gaf im doing fine

I'm a California cream puff. Everything makes me feel guilty lol.

 

[rkofan87]

I'm a California cream puff. Everything makes me feel guilty lol.

ir shows lol jk

 

[GHound]

I'm a California cream puff. Everything makes me feel guilty lol.

Straight to jail.

 

[Crayon]

Straight to jail.

Our jails have free ice cream big fluffy pillows that smell of fresh lavender.

 

[DelireMan7]

Keep it for yourself. You don't get to decide what other adults jack off too when they act within the law.

I can't express my opinion ?
And in the same post you speak about censorship ?!

Legal or not I think a game revolving around raping people (including your mom and other relatives) should not be.
I don't get to decide but I can't still express myself.