Is this new wave of banning video games really the new road?
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
In most games you're killing people in self-defense.
Rape, no matter what the situation, is really fucked up and abhorrent.
Ass of Can Whooping
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I've barely put any points into my morality stat and I still can't justify defending a mommy rape sim lol
PeteBull
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Dunno man, there is nasty prison in my smalltown, its not california obviously but still, stuff can happen anywhere, i live relatively close to it(like 200meters/220yards or so)sometimes at night u can hear all kinds of weird noises
Best prevention mechanism btw for ppl living in poor/bad areas 
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GudOlRub
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Played GTA 5 and tortured some poor bastard, laughed my ass off when Trevor said he was a torture advocate, saw the controversy when some dude was doing heinous shit to feminists in RDR2 and posted it on youtube and I just laughed my ass off with how stupid it all was, played Postal 2 and was laughing my way through the game with how ridiculous it was.
I'd be pissed if any of those games got banned, but seeing that shitty rape game being removed from Steam doesn't bother me at all and I wish no games like it ever make it to the platform as well.
If this opinion makes me a hypocrite or a censorship advocate or whatever, then oh well... it is what it is but this is one of the stupidest hills I've seen people dying on.
I'd be pissed if any of those games got banned, but seeing that shitty rape game being removed from Steam doesn't bother me at all and I wish no games like it ever make it to the platform as well.
If this opinion makes me a hypocrite or a censorship advocate or whatever, then oh well... it is what it is but this is one of the stupidest hills I've seen people dying on.
Hollywood Hitman
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Yea Im same, I am fine with all other stuff but just something about a rape simulator that just doesn't sit well
Grizzled Ghost
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Norway? That's where the guy who killed 70 people sued the state because his private luxury prison apartment wasn't nice enough, right?
Tiago Rodrigues
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That's easy. Look at something like GTA. You can beat up everyone that shows up. No exceptions. Men, women, old, young. But the main focus of the game isn't even any of that. You can play the entire game without doing any of that.
Here you have a game that was LITERALLY created for you to rape and beat up women. Like...that's the one thing you're allowed to do. It's your mission. You buy that, you spend money to do exactly that. That's the selling point of the game. Even something like GTA doesn't allow you to rape anyone. Yeah you can punch people but that's it.
This is in a completely different ballpark, come on dude.
laynelane
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The purpose of such games is to win a war or conflict against an armed enemy. The purpose in No Mercy is: "After your mother's affair shatters your family, you take on a new role: not to fix what's broken, but to claim her for yourself. Unveil her darkest secrets, subdue her, and make all women yours".
No Mercy is obviously a fetish game about incest, dominating women, etc. It's not really simply about sex in a video game so the argument that since killing is okay, it should be okay doesn't really make sense. Or it would, if it was about targeting and killing a certain group for an immutable trait they have.
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Grizzled Ghost
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Ok, well what you said was.
How about Payday, where you're killing police for the purpose of monetary gain?
Or CounterStrike, where you, as a terrorist, kill government agents in order to ensure a bomb goes off, presumably killing innocents?
Hawk The Slayer
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Like the guy above said, this game is created solely for this purpose while in the other ones above like Skyrim, Fallout, GTA etc, they are not the solo focus.
With the whole rape thing, I'm fine with it being included in a game, not a porn game but a actual mature gritty game that actually has content and gameplay, and a story if the game requires a rape scene showing how savage one of the bad guys are. I don't think many people would have a problem with this since a lot of people probably also saw plenty of movies with that has a rapist character/serial killer character etc etc being in it. So it's no problem there if a game has a dark story that demands it. Our characters won't be the ones doing it, just certain scenes of npcs doing it if the story demands it just like a lot of those violence movies and shows stuff like Violence Jack, Berserk, Planet Terror etc etc etc. As for stuff involving our characters specifically doing it than I'll say the only time I'll be cool with that is if some one of the bad guys/minions is a female villainess that has done many evil things to other characters and at a certain point when you get the upperhand than your character would have a option, just a option if you choose to do so to punish her. Kinda like some harsh poetic justice but fair play there at least. Again though these things must not be the only focus of the game but rather something that's optional in a game thats already vast with great characters, story, enemies, location, content etc.
But none of those above would ever happen anyway since I doubt any porn game would ever have the budget to make something that actually has good content,gameplay, lore all together so I'll never buy any of them in the first place because I need the games to be fun where the porn is optional and the main focus is on the actual world,game, enemy design, character etc etc. So I have no problem even if all porn games disappear cause none of them are fun for me as I'll never buy any of them. At the same time I won't have a problem with these steam porn games exisiting either as I avoid them easily and they at least keep to themselves and don't try to get too popular and shove it down people like certain insane groups out there.
With that said, I'm going to give the benefit of a doubt to all the games defender and assume the people that are upset about this game being removed isn't because they are into the disgusting shits in this game but because this censorship has been catered to this specific feminish group which might further target what they deem is unacceptable to them giving them more and more power. Especially since this isn't even popular and hidden in their tiny corner in the first place which people can easily avoid and not even notice. If so than it's understandable.
I heard of Hostel and Cannibal Holocaust but will never watch it as I got a idea of what it is and find it too disturbing. The thing is I can easily watch horror movies and slasher movies, and movies with gore like Aliens, Night of the Demon, Friday the 13th, Halloween, Return of the Living Dead but movies like Cannibal Holocaust is a no no for me. Some of those other listed like Sebian film sounds really fucked up.
As for should they be censor/deleted. I personally don't care since they are left in some very tiny corners for the disturbed ones that are into them just like the ones that are into Liveleak or whatever so I can easily avoid them since they aren't mainstream or popular. Yet at the same time I won't give a crap/definitely don't mind if they were all deleted either.
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Durin
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We will absolutely see more of this, and it will go further...because enough people want the standard to be their own personal line in the sand, and enough companies do reward the behavior if actions are intense enough (ex. doxxing).
Anyone acting like defending this game is some implicit endorsement of the content, when you don't have to like something to let it exist.
Or the people that want to deny a slippery slope, when so many things in this industry have sloped the fuck down. I remember bitching about horse armor DLC from the who cares crowd, and now we get worse on a regular basis.
Anyone acting like defending this game is some implicit endorsement of the content, when you don't have to like something to let it exist.
Or the people that want to deny a slippery slope, when so many things in this industry have sloped the fuck down. I remember bitching about horse armor DLC from the who cares crowd, and now we get worse on a regular basis.
laynelane
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What I said in my initial quote matches what I said in the second one - the second one just further elaborates the point.
Being a government agent or a police officer are occupations, not immutable traits.
Look, I'm not here to get moral and up in arms about other people's opinions. People have different thresholds regarding censorship and the themes/game play in this title are another element that will be off-putting for many. The game has absolutely zero appeal to me, but I'm very against censorship. The thing is, that didn't happen here. The game has not been changed and it's still on sale (just not on Steam per the developer's decision) so there's been no "banning". What I'm pointing out is generalizing its content to say it's about sex and equating that to killing in other games is incorrect.
Grizzled Ghost
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Being a woman isn't immutable either, they become men all the time these days.
laynelane
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That's another topic and isn't applicable in this case.
Crayon
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California. But to our credit, we do have medieval torture dungeons for people who don't properly sort their recycling.
Crayon
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We've secretly switched senator Lieberman's Night Trap clips with ones from No Mercy for his press conference.
Let's see if he notices!
Blank Space Invader
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I have the old books as well. I gobbled them up from a book store when I was a teenager.
Blank Space Invader
Gold Member
So people justify violence and killing in games because it's against the "bad guys"
And who exactly determines who is "bad" and who is "good"? I'm pretty sure I think some people are pretty bad that some others here are huge fans of.
What an infantile way of looking at the world.
If all it takes to rationalize killing is thinking the "victim" is a bad guy, just think the characters in these rape games are all bad guys and bad girls
fucks sake...
The sad part is that your arrogance will blind you from actual common sense, reason, and logic, so there is no point in attempting to point those things out to you.
Blank Space Invader
Gold Member
Lets show 100 people real (with the consent of the victims) and simulated (actors, movies, etc.) imagery and media of sexual assault, and then measure their responses. I guarantee you there will be people who vomit or otherwise feel physically ill in reaction to it. I have seen as much in real situations through my career. Will that be enough for your "scientific established link?" Pfft. Or maybe we should just watch 100 videos of police interviews with victims as well as their courtroom testimony and see if that sets enough of a scientific precedent to you. Do you people actually believe the insanity that you think up from inside the bubble of your keyboard world? Even fake or simulated depictions of sexual assault disgust real people who have never experienced such a trauma personally to the point of physical discomfort. Now think about people who have actually been traumatized by it. Is this enough for harm to apply? I bet it won't be. Your insensitivity and "aktchually" mentality comes from a complete lack of experience socially and zero understanding of humanity.
Grizzled Ghost
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Those people probably shouldn't buy the game then. It's not like it hides the character of it's content. No one is being forced experience it.
(Except mom, of course)
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
You dont see the irony of this?
nkarafo
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No. I didn't say they can't have an opinion. They can scold and criticize the game as much as they want. I even agree with this.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
You are trying to censor his opinion about the limits of sexual kinks such as incest rape.
You literally told him to keep his opinion to himself.
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Grizzled Ghost
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Telling someone to shut up is not censorship, which I assume you already know. He has no authority or ability to keep him from expressing himself.
However, if nkarafo had doxed DelireMan7, and run a harassment campaign against him in order to force him to remove his post from the forum, simply because he didn't like it's content, than you might have an argument.
nkarafo
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I wasn't talking about his opinion though. That was for the limits he personally set. He can keep those limits for himself.
Grizzled Ghost
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The game is not against Steam's rules, and was not removed by them. It was taken down because the Devs were being harassed by radical feminists.
TheSHEEEP
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That's.... dumb.
I mean, honestly, who in this day still allows themselves to be threatened by a bunch of powerless pricks? Should've used the publicity to make bank. Oh, well.
But anyway, that's not censorship, either. Censorship can only be enacted/enforced by a state.
A bunch ideologists raising a Twitter and/or other echochamber stink is, well, as you said, harassment, but not censorship.
You can only punch people in GTA? I don't think that's true.
What I'm questioning is whether your objection is really because the rape is the focus of the game. Would you be ok with it if the player character could eg. optionally rape random people in GTA but it was not the focus of the game?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Censorship is suppression(or banning) of something being in this case read/seen.
The same way this game wasnt censored but the hate campaign that followed could be consider an attempt at censoring, which kinda worked as dev pulled the game so i guess he self censored.
nkarafo
was "trying" to censor
DelireMan7
from expressing his opinion basically by belittling him saying you have no right to tell people what they can and cannot jack off too.(note he has every right to tell people he just cant force people)
The same way the harassment campaign could be seen as an attempt at censorship but not the actual act of censorship itself the same can be argued for when someone is made to feel their opinion doesnt matter and are made to feel they have no power over the matter.
The poster might now self censor posting that he doesnt believe incest rape should be thing people kink about.
In which case the censorship campaign will have worked.
His "opinion" was that there should be limits to peoples kinks being made public.
You told him to keep those limits to himself because he has no authority to decide what people jack off too.
You are literally trying to censor him from expressing his belief that people should have limits on their kinks being displayed.
P.S His sentence literally ends with....."in my opinion".
Setsuna Mudou
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Great contribution to the discussion lol argue the points, not your meaningless perception of the person delivering it.
Setsuna Mudou
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Give COD to someone who suffers from PTSD from being deployed in an active war scenario and see if it triggers a reaction as well. Besides, no one is saying that snuff films (with real victims) is art. We are talking about video games, books, cartoons, etc. Key operating word being "fantasy".
Sounds like you're arguing for "trigger warnings" to be a thing, which is fine I guess. Still shouldn't preclude anyone else from producing or enjoying fantasy content that others feel bad about. Pretty good rule of thumb, "don't like it, don't watch it".
edit: It would be like someone actively searching for gay porn and then getting disgusted by finding 2 guys sucking each other off
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freemandos
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A single banned game (recently) isn't a wave. And a very questionable game btw.
Grizzled Ghost
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Censorship is suppression(or banning) of something being in this case read/seen.
The same way this game wasnt censored but the hate campaign that followed could be consider an attempt at censoring, which kinda worked as dev pulled the game so i guess he self censored.
(note he has every right to tell people he just cant force people)
The same way the harassment campaign could be seen as an attempt at censorship but not the actual act of censorship itself the same can be argued for when someone is made to feel their opinion doesnt matter and are made to feel they have no power over the matter.
The poster might now self censor posting that he doesnt believe incest rape should be thing people kink about.
In which case the censorship campaign will have worked.
His "opinion" was that there should be limits to peoples kinks being made public.
You told him to keep those limits to himself because he has no authority to decide what people jack off too.
You are literally trying to censor him from expressing his belief that people should have limits on their kinks being displayed.
P.S His sentence literally ends with....."in my opinion".
I hope you didn't injure your shoulder reaching that far. An individual telling another individual to keep their opinions to themselves is in no way censorship. It is two equals expressing their opinions at one another. He has not suppressed or banned anything.
Him, "trying" to censor the post (Which I can only assume you put in quotes purely to illustrate how weak your own position is?) means nothing. Belittling him, as you say, by pointing out the fact that he is not the arbiter of morality, is in no way equivalent to authoritative action or organized harassment including threats and doxing.
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You show somebody real and simulated dismemberment and you will likely have people feeling physically ill in reaction to it too. In fact there are multiple accounts of police throwing up at gruesome crime scenes. Now think about people who have actually been traumatised by that violence. Does that mean we should ban that type of thing from movies and games?
I don't play those weird Japanese softporn games, have no interest in games like No Mercy, I don't watch gruesome movies and don't really enjoy gruesome games either. I didn't like the GTA5 opening scene and felt super uncomfortable playing "No Russian" . Doesn't mean I want them banned for those who watch or play them. The only one who has a lack of sensitivity and an "aktchually" mentality due to lack of experience socially is yourself trying to dictate what others should do or who they are based on their belief that things like this shouldn't be banned.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
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Grizzled Ghost
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StueyDuck
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my favorite part about all this is all the posts that are like, "oh the humanity, the slippery slope, they are gonna take all our games away"
but then ask them if they want to enjoy the incest rape game they all suddenly are like, "no no, i don't agree with rape"...
that's exactly the reason why this being taken off the store front isn't an issue to anyone.
I'm sure there's some in here that want to simulate the mommy rape but i'd say the vast majority of people in here don't want to do that.
but then ask them if they want to enjoy the incest rape game they all suddenly are like, "no no, i don't agree with rape"...
that's exactly the reason why this being taken off the store front isn't an issue to anyone.
I'm sure there's some in here that want to simulate the mommy rape but i'd say the vast majority of people in here don't want to do that.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yeah, because he was harassed and threatened. That's the point
I just dont feel like going through the whole
- Free Speech
- Moderation
- Censorship
Devs get harassed and threatened literally everyday.....look up pretty much any game on twitter and youll see a bunch of hate.
The Hatred devs got flack they didnt back down, these cats were bigger pussies than they claim women to be.
Caved in two seconds.
kat_on_the_roof
Neo Member
Do you really argue that we need to validate the feelings of people who want to play to play rape porn games.
I do not argue that my feelings are more valid. I say that I think that it is morally bankrupt to encourage or defend games like these. The difference to games and movies about violence is that violent porn is almost always impulsively driven, while watching media about war and violence is not necessarily driven by impulse while people usually watch porn with an impulse or urge. People don't have an urge to kill when watching violent media but people do have a sexual impulse / urge when watching porn. Therein lies the problem. Certain people get sexually pleased and aroused by violent porn.
ShadowNate
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Not a ban and not a wave.
And also doxxing is horrible and should never be used against people no matter the "good cause" it would serve.
But that said, even if it had been a ban, people not ok with this one, would be clearly ok with banning other games in a different context and for a different reason. Apart for a few unicorn people of course.
I'd like to say I'd want nothing banned and gamers being left with their own judgement (and wallets) to sort them out.
But whether it would be for political / ideological / religious reasons, or for more tangible stuff like stolen assets, pretending to be another title/a complete game (when it's horribly unfinished), being a cover for actual gambling, or even worse a trojan/spyware. There's always a red line beyond which one would be "oh yeah, I'm glad it's banned".
Edit: Also, choose your battles. This particular game is shit. It's not worth the noise.
And also doxxing is horrible and should never be used against people no matter the "good cause" it would serve.
But that said, even if it had been a ban, people not ok with this one, would be clearly ok with banning other games in a different context and for a different reason. Apart for a few unicorn people of course.
I'd like to say I'd want nothing banned and gamers being left with their own judgement (and wallets) to sort them out.
But whether it would be for political / ideological / religious reasons, or for more tangible stuff like stolen assets, pretending to be another title/a complete game (when it's horribly unfinished), being a cover for actual gambling, or even worse a trojan/spyware. There's always a red line beyond which one would be "oh yeah, I'm glad it's banned".
Edit: Also, choose your battles. This particular game is shit. It's not worth the noise.
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Gameplay Gods Bless
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Yea the dev himself removed the game due to political pressure. Steam is an American product, made in America by an American company headquartered in the state of Washington, that's what I meant. It's similar to Nintendo being a Japanese company making Japanese games and products.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
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