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[midnightguy]

http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p2.html

Q: Is Revolution "two-to-three times more powerful than GameCube"?

A: USA Today reported this news based on a comment from Nintendo of America's vice president of corporate affairs, Perrin Kaplan. The information was later determined to be false. We do not yet know how much more power Revolution wields over its predecessor.

w00t


Revolution to be the same leap over Gamecube that Gamecube was over Nintendo 64?

I hope so

 

[AniHawk]

IT WAS FALSE! Revolution 2-3 times more powerful than Cube. Rev's power unknown!

It'd be hilarious if it was even weaker.

 

[Gahiggidy]

Iwata: "How many fingers am I holding up?"

 

[John Harker]

It'd be hilarious if it was even weaker.

Wouldn't it be scary if all it was was a GC with added functions?
Remember like a year ago Nintendo said they found a way to "extend the life of the GC" by adding to it? They just took all they wanted to "add" to it and put it all on GC archiecture, and just renamed the chips.
And how they talk up so much how developing for Rev is based on the same architecture as the GC? The same methods, so development will be "quick and easy"?
And then that Metroid Prime 3 video during the conference?
What if that actually was running on Rev hardware.
You know, the Rev is actually the GC but adding an "expansion pak" like the N64 had.

Same system, just slightly tweaked up. You know, a little bit faster, little higher resolution, practically the same core. Like the SP version of GC.

Just "added" the Revoltionary aspects to it. Like the new controllers and etc, and this is what the new system is.

Online GC... so like the PSslim was a trimmed PS2, so is the Rev for GameCube?!
Thats how the system is so damn small and going to be so damn cheap, similiar internal parts.

Makes..... sense...... I'm getting.... scared.....



Not that I actually believe that. I was just running with what you said.

 

[Particle Physicist]

It'd be hilarious if it was even weaker.

i dont see how that would be possible. i mean. why hire ati.. why not just take the gc chipset and slightly upgrade it.. tada.. done.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Wouldn't it be scary if all it was was a GC with added functions?

If?

 

[MoccaJava]

In before 7 pages minimum.

 

[Gahiggidy]

Does no one have a source working on the Holywood chip?

 

[rainer516]

well, Iwata did say that it was a Ferrari compared to a Saturn rocket or something. I am thinking DC v. PS2 style deal here.

 

[Dice]

Iwata said the graphics will wow you, but that's not what they think is important. So it's not gonna outright suck graphically.

 

[Pimpwerx]

File this under "N" for "No Shit". Who actually believed that rumor? Eventhough I think it'll be the weakest of the 3, based on its form factor, it would have to be a serious cockup for them not to get a CPU that's at least 10x as fast as Flipper. Not in raw clock, but in performance. After that, the CPU won't have to be anything special. 2-3 times the GC is nothing. I just hope that Metroid "demo" wasn't from the Rev, or representative of it, b/c that looked weak. PEACE.

 

[Mr Gump]

It wasnt false. Kaplan wouldnt say things shes wasnt informed about. It's just that the backlash from that comment was significant so this is their way of damage controlling.

"IT WAS FALSE. IT DIDNT HAPPEN"

 

[ge-man]

File this under "N" for "No Shit". Who actually believed that rumor? Eventhough I think it'll be the weakest of the 3, based on its form factor, it would have to be a serious cockup for them not to get a CPU that's at least 10x as fast as Flipper. Not in raw clock, but in performance. After that, the CPU won't have to be anything special. 2-3 times the GC is nothing. I just hope that Metroid "demo" wasn't from the Rev, or representative of it, b/c that looked weak. PEACE.

The Metroid vid was not on Rev hardware, but I doubt that repeating this will ever stop people from continuing the confusion. Nintendo shouldn't have shown the the clip.

 

[midnightguy]

Iwata said the graphics will wow you, but that's not what they think is important. So it's not gonna outright suck graphically.

it will probably be Gamecube compared to Xbox. not quite as powerful on paper, but almost as powerful in practice, with a few technical advantages (and weaknesses) compared to the other consoles.

 

[BuddyC]

In before 7 pages minimum.

Danger! Danger! Warning Will Robinson!

 

[ToxicAdam]

Awesome, this means greater detail in Mario's moustache!!

 

[GaimeGuy]

I like how we argue about specs that haven't even been released yet.

 

[ge-man]

It wasnt false. Kaplan wouldnt say things shes wasnt informed about. It's just that the backlash from that comment was significant so this is their way of damage controlling.

"IT WAS FALSE. IT DIDNT HAPPEN"

Possibly, but I agree with Pimpwerx on this one. And considering that ATi has suppossedly acknowledged that Nintendo's budget for their GPU was in the same ball park as the MS, I don't think there are going to be problems visually. I think it's the CPU that's the big question mark here, and that will have effect more on physics and AI than on what the machine can display.

Lastly, at the end of the day Nintendo shouldn't said a think about power. It's obvious that they don't like the play the numbers game, but if that's the case they should be quite rather than honest or conservative. People want to believe the big numbers.

 

[DaMan121]

Looking at Iwata holding the Rev... its damn small, any comparison shots between the 3 consoles? I guess interpolating power from size is flawed.

 

[John Harker]

I like how we argue about specs that haven't even been released yet.

Frankly... what else is there to talk about?

 

[Odnetnin]

I have to say that the rampant and pointless discussion about REV specs so far (which I haven't participated in) have been just stupid. The only thing we know is how the casing looked but even that was a prototype. Nothing but troll fodder because we might as well be debating the engineering specs on toaster/cheesegrill... with no info to go on... well.. never mind.. have fun.

:/

 

[Sho Nuff]

Is it just me, or are the names "Hollywood" and "Broadway" really gay?

 

[acoustix]

Does this mean I can resume Rev. fappage?

 

[Shogmaster]

Is it just me, or are the names "Hollywood" and "Broadway" really gay?

"Broadway" sounds definitely gay. "Hollywood" just sounds dirty and ghetto (I drive by Hollywood all the time).

 

[Triumph]

Well this doesn't smell of backpedalling at all, nosir!

 

[Deleted member 1235]

all these threads ever do is remind me of how I'm buying one based soley off the size of the unit and how cool it looks.

 

[acidviper]

X360 gonna be the weakest. C'mon Mario FPS.

 

[cubicle47b]

Is it just me, or are the names "Hollywood" and "Broadway" really gay?

As opposed to Gekko and Flipper? I suppose musicals are only for fags...

 

[BuddyC]

As opposed to Gekko and Flipper? I suppose musicals are only for fags...

You guys really need to think more before you post.

 

[ChronoMagnus]

The revolution in my opinio will be capable. Nintendo isnt dumb, they know that although graphics doesnt make the game, for some people thats what they mainly care about. The revolution will be a very capable machine that plays all our old favorites.

 

[metsallica]

The Metroid vid was not on Rev hardware, but I doubt that repeating this will ever stop people from continuing the confusion. Nintendo shouldn't have shown the the clip.

Do you have a source for that information?

 

[cubicle47b]

Backpedaling? I'd say it's more like IGN clearing up a stupid statement by Kaplan. In order to get 2-3 times the performance of the Gamecube you just have to double or triple the clockspeed and add a bit of ram. You don't need massive engineering efforts by IBM and ATI. I wouldn't expect 360 performance but her statement was a joke.

 

[Firest0rm]

Do you have a source for that information?

According to Matt it was pre-rendered :/.

 

[MetalAlien]

my guess again....

3.2 GHZ single core CPU
500MHZ pretty much off the shelf ATI GPU with a few tricks added
512 MB ram...

Aww come on, we got to get a pool going!

 

[GaimeGuy]

Didn't Kaplin herself say she wasn't a tech-head? She probably can't tell the difference between a gigabyte and a gigahertz

 

[GaimeGuy]

my guess again....

3.2 GHZ single core CPU
500MHZ pretty much off the shelf ATI GPU with a few tricks added
512 MB ram...

Aww come on, we got to get a pool going!

Nice & original "guess," considering that was from an alleged leaked spec sheet from a year ago.

 

[Shogmaster]

my guess again....

3.2 GHZ single core CPU
500MHZ pretty much off the shelf ATI GPU with a few tricks added
512 MB ram...

Aww come on, we got to get a pool going!

I don't know dude..... The damn thing's small as a Mac Mini..... And I didn't see any fan/grille action in any of the pics...

I don't think you'll be seeing quite those clock speeds.

 

[MetalAlien]

Nice & original "guess," considering that was from an alleged leaked spec sheet from a year ago.

Yea but I never saw that... Oh well.

 

[Kon Tiki]

I don't know dude..... The damn thing's small as a Mac Mini..... And I didn't see any fan/grille action in any of the pics...

I don't think you'll be seeing quite those clock speeds.

Electromagnetism! Liquid-Metal cooling!

 

[MetalAlien]

I don't know dude..... The damn thing's small as a Mac Mini..... And I didn't see any fan/grille action in any of the pics...

I don't think you'll be seeing quite those clock speeds.

Yea but if they are not some ungodly huge dies like the PS3 and XB360 they won't be as hot. Single core CPU and OTS GPU shouldn't be that big....

 

[GaimeGuy]

I don't know dude..... The damn thing's small as a Mac Mini..... I don't think you'll be seeing quite those clock speeds....

Welcome to the world of nanotechnology, my friend. A nanometer = one billionth of a meter.

There's 65-80 Nanometer processors out there (and there will be 45 nanometer processors out there in 5-10 years).

Just because something is small doesn't mean it can't be powerful, especially now that nanotechnology is becoming big.

Edit: btw, Cell is 65 nanometers, i believe (or maybe it's 80?)

 

[drohne]

how was it "determined to be false," out of curiosity? i can see why nintendo would want to retract that statement, but i wonder why they made it in the first place.

 

[midnightguy]

Didn't Kaplin herself say she wasn't a tech-head? She probably can't tell the difference between a gigabyte and a gigahertz

:lol

 

[goomba]

DS and PSP must be the same power because of their sizes then?

Rev doesnt have a hard drive bay and will have an external power supply thus it can be smaller and technically competitive. I dont know about THAT small though.

 

[GaimeGuy]

DS and PSP must be the same power because of their sizes then?

Rev doesnt have a hard drive bay and will have an external power supply.

I think it could be comparable to xbox 360 afterall.

Wasn't the Sega Saturn bigger in volume than the Xbox? Yet it was weaker than the N64 and the PS1.

 

[Ristamar]

how was it "determined to be false," out of curiosity?

I was wondering the same thing...

 

[Shogmaster]

Electromagnetism! Liquid-Metal cooling!

Yea but if they are not some ungodly huge dies like the PS3 and XB360 they won't be as hot. Single core CPU and OTS GPU shouldn't be that big....

Welcome to the world of nanotechnology, my friend. A nanometer = one billionth of a meter.

There's 65-80 Nanometer processors out there (and there will be 45 nanometer processors out there in 5-10 years).

Just because something is small doesn't mean it can't be powerful, especially now that nanotechnology is becoming big.

Edit: btw, Cell is 65 nanometers, i believe (or maybe it's 80?)

OMG! Nintentech-crew to the recue!!! :lol :lol :lol

Gaimeguy, seriously.... When do you believe Rev will launch? 2008? All next gen consoles will be 90nm first, and then 65nm in later revs when fabs get a better grip on manufacturing at that size.

 

[Pellham]

a dongle for watching DVD movies? that's not bad, that's probably Nintendo's way of avoiding to pay the DVD consortium fees on every Revolution. This way, they only pay it on every dongle (of course I could be totally wrong, this is just an assumption).

It's certainly a better move than selling a dvd player attachment that most people assumed at first.

 

[Kon Tiki]

OMG! Nintentech-crew to the recue!!!

Me? I was half-way sarcastic. I do not know how electromagnetism or liquid metal cooling would work in a console. I just desire to see a console one day without any power source.

 

[ge-man]

Wasn't the Sega Saturn bigger in volume than the Xbox? Yet it was weaker than the N64 and the PS1.

I'm not sure if it's bigger than an Xbox, but in the end it's obvious that it's a fool's game to try estimate specs from looking at the size of the machine. As other's have already pointed out, Nintendo has skilled partners working on this project. Furthermore, I don't think Nintendo's engineers are given enough credit--the GC doesn't look like it could hold its own but it has ended up being solidly between the Xbox and PS2 in terms of performance. It is a extremely well designed piece of machinery, which eases my doubts about the Rev's own performance.