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[Freedom Gate Co.]

I see this thread turned Neogaf into Gamespot system wars circa 2014.

I speakfact jelly.

 

[Fbh]

We shall see and I hope so. I don't want to see any brand fail.

I'm just not sure what is fueling your line of thinking.

Playstation is one of the biggest and most successful brands in the console gaming market. They've been around for 20 years with mostly successful consoles and are ending this gen as the clear "winner" with a massive sales advantage over their direct competitor..... OF COURSE people and the media will have a lot to say about their next system, that's pretty much a fact just like how we know tech media will have a lot to say about the next Iphone or movie sites will have a lot to say about the next avengers.

WHAT people will have to say will depend on Sony, but even if the reveal sucks and the Ps5 looks terrible you'll have plenty of coverage of how bad it is

 

[Gavon West]

Has power actually been the defining feature of any console that has done very well or "won" a gen?
In the end it always comes down to a mix of power, price, software and marketing more than just specs.

You realize you just included power as a significant bullet point to win a generation, right?........ RIGHT?????

 

[ethomaz]

A bit of timeline for these that are confused:

April 4: Sony revealed PS5: 7nm Zen 2 CPU, Navi (RDNA) based GPU, SSD, Ray-tracing support, HDMI 2.1.
June 9: MS revealed Project Scarlett: Sony Too plus GDDR6.
Dec 12: MS revealed the name, design and first game of Xbox Series X: Hellblade 2.
Dec 12: Sony revealed the first PS5 game: God Fall.

 

[Rossco EZ]

What then?

Features? What Features?
Games? For many Sony had the better output this gen so it's MS that has to do the "matching".

Feels like I missed some link or announcement about the new Xbox. All I saw was a sleek looking rectangle and the usual PR stuff "the strongest ever, will take games to the next level, etc". I didn't see any big and detailed reveal that the Ps5 now has to "match"

this

 

[JustP_Gaming]

I'm just not sure what is fueling your line of thinking.

Playstation is one of the biggest and most successful brands in the console gaming market. They've been around for 20 years with mostly successful consoles and are ending this gen as the clear "winner" with a massive sales advantage over their direct competitor..... OF COURSE people and the media will have a lot to say about their next system, that's pretty much a fact just like how we know tech media will have a lot to say about the next Iphone or movie sites will have a lot to say about the next avengers.

WHAT people will have to say will depend on Sony, but even if the reveal sucks and the Ps5 looks terrible you'll have plenty of coverage of how bad it is

My line of thinking is it's clear this Microsoft/Xbox we are seeing now is unlike anything we've seen in the past and if you think this is the same then really haven't noticed the power moves they have been making. It has been said many times in the past Phil Spencer now has access to the financial side of Microsoft that has not been afforded to anyone at Xbox before. Needless to say, this generation will be totally different from every other generation before it and I hope the PlayStation brand can compete with the marketing and financial might that has been clearly shown thus far. Hope that clears it up a little and what has been going on in my mind

 

[ethomaz]

I see this thread turned Neogaf into Gamespot system wars circa 2014.

I speakfact jelly.

The OP had no substance due of the lack of info from the new consoles except the general arch/features (same) and design (Xbox).

 

[Fbh]

You realize you just included power as a significant bullet point to win a generation, right?........ RIGHT?????

Yes?
Because, as I said, it comes down to how it all comes together. Having the most powerful console isn't going to "win" you a gen if you are also $200 more expensive than your competitor, because price is also important.And being the cheapest console isn't going to instantly win you the gen if your software lineup sucks or your competitor offers notoriously better performance for an acceptable price difference, because power and software are also important.

The Ps4 had a great start to the gen not simply because it was a bit more powerful. But because it was more powerful while also being cheaper, and it had a much better marketing campaign and hype buildup while MS released a more expensive, less powerful machine that spent much of it's "hype building" phase doing damage control for the terrible reveal event.
Had the Xbox One had a better reveal and actually released for a price that better matched the spec on offer (like, say, $50 less than the PS4) this gen might have turn out differently

 

[Dthomp]

Has power actually been the defining feature of any console that has done very well or "won" a gen?
In the end it always comes down to a mix of power, price, software and marketing more than just specs.

This guy gets it. X touts power, because generally it's all it has going for it. Power has never won a system gen....GAMES do. I see nothing in the pipeline that says this next gen X will offer any 1st party games that will sniff what Sony has been churning out for gens.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Cool Story Bro.

I'm pretty sure it'll at least match it. At least in raw specs. Now that secret sauce buzzword they keep tossin around is left to be seen. The only thing I'm aware of is the Patented VRS on Xbox that may give it an edge. How this will be implemented...that's up to the developers I would expect.

EDIT:
A link for reference.

OH this is the new dx12 I see. We figured out a long time ago not to listen to corporations buzzwords, at least I did.

 

[DeepEnigma]

How is this thread any different than the thread the OP was going hard in, here:

Should SONY reveal the PS5 now that we’ve seen the Xbox series X?

Since MS now has everyones attention with the Xbox series X surprise should SONY do the same? The mini PC tower look is pretty slick and compact. I will admit I like what I’ve seen from MS with the series X, arguably they could have named it better but I sort of like it .Stupid or not the name...

www.neogaf.com

I think he just wanted his soapbox going by that well thought out OP content.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

The OP had no substance due of the lack of info from the new consoles except the general arch/features (same) and design (Xbox).

I suppose you'd rather I make up fake specs or use rumour and speculation to fuel this thread? No thank you. I live in the real world , I try to base everything I post on reality, with emotions removed. I'm not 12 years old.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Power has never won a system gen....

Atari VCS excluded, beat everyone and was the most powerful, too bad wikipedia messed up the gen order and put the 2600 with the Colecovision and 5200.

I guess Gameboy Color would be another example of that though it's portable. It's competition was the Tiger.com and the NeoGeo Pocket color which didn't even fully color in sprites in some games.

But as a general rule that's correct, but ti can help with sales in combination with other factors.

 

[DanielsM]

What the fuck is this?

 

[Gavon West]

Yes?
Because, as I said, it comes down to how it all comes together. Having the most powerful console isn't going to "win" you a gen if you are also $200 more expensive than your competitor, because price is also important.And being the cheapest console isn't going to instantly win you the gen if your software lineup sucks or your competitor offers notoriously better performance for an acceptable price difference, because power and software are also important.

The Ps4 had a great start to the gen not simply because it was a bit more powerful. But because it was more powerful while also being cheaper, and it had a much better marketing campaign and hype buildup while MS released a more expensive, less powerful machine that spent much of it's "hype building" phase doing damage control for the terrible reveal event.
Had the Xbox One had a better reveal and actually released for a price that better matched the spec on offer (like, say, $50 less than the PS4) this gen might have turn out differently

None of that changes jack shit to what I said mate. Power is still important. So having the most powerful box is substantial in a generation success.

Now, if you're saying power isnt totally necessary for a console to be successful, I agree with you. But it is very important. Especially with how petty the gaming community can be.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

What the fuck is this?

Come on man substance. How old are you?

 

[ethomaz]

I suppose you'd rather I make up fake specs or use rumour and speculation to fuel this thread? No thank you. I live in the real world , I try to base everything I post on reality, with emotions removed. I'm not 12 years old.

I did not criticize you lol
The lack of substance is due not having anything from both consoles to compare like you want.
It is not your fault.
Maybe you OP works better next year.

It didn't help that some here create a false narrative about what officially happened until now... some even believe MS shared specs last week

 

[Iced Arcade]

I suspect the 2 consoles to be closer cookie cut than this gen

 

[Gavon West]

This guy gets it. X touts power, because generally it's all it has going for it. Power has never won a system gen....GAMES do. I see nothing in the pipeline that says this next gen X will offer any 1st party games that will sniff what Sony has been churning out for gens.

Then you're blind or being willfully obtuse. I guarantee Sony wont run the gamut they way they did this generation.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

I did not criticize you lol

Apologies then.

 

[Kdad]

I say this because In no way shape or form do I want to see a one-sided console race (Not considering Switch in this argument). Without competition for either side the boundaries will never get pushed and complacency will become the norm. I am all for Xbox Series X, but if Playstation 5 cannot compete it will not be good for the industry as a whole. Just my 2 cents.

You be you. I'd like to have the console that has games that appeal to me.

 

[Fbh]

None of that changes jack shit to what I said mate. Power is still important. So having the most powerful box is substantial in a generation success.

Except for.... pretty much every console gen ever?

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

New shown on netflix: Fanboi warz, the synopsis is that terrorists have come to steal your plastic gaming machine and you need to try and get it pregnant before midnight. In the end you fail because you realize inanimate objects aren't that important and can't get pregnant, than the terrorists blow up the console via remote control killing the protagonist.

It is a dramatic movie with a story everyone on IGN can relate to.

 

[Kdad]

MS's Scarllet reveal was exactly a copy paste of what Sony's said in PS5 reveal lol

Thats because the PS5 leaks were Cerny leaking the Scarlett deets.

 

[Constant Flux]

Then you're blind or being willfully obtuse. I guarantee Sony wont run the gamut they way they did this generation.

Why do you think that? Do you believe Halo Infinite, the next Gears, and the next Forza is going to do anything to change what happened this gen in the next?

 

[DanielsM]

Come on man substance. How old are you?

This thread is silly, which resulted in my confusion. Git gud.

 

[Kdad]

For example lets go with what we know, "mindshare" . Can the Playstation generate as much hype for their reveal as MS did with Xbox Series X? Will blogs, podcasts and news feeds talk about the reveal for what is going on 5 days now non stop? I certainly hope so.

This is a very Ameri-centric view.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

This thread is silly, which resulted in my confusion. Git gud.

Then begone. I'm sure there are other more non-silly threads you can peruse.

 

[Gavon West]

Except for.... pretty much every console gen ever?

I did state that power isnt necessary to be successful. But power played a huge role in the most successful consoles in each generation. I guess what I'm saying is, " you said - power - in leagues with price, content, marketing etc are what defines a successful generation."


I'm saying that you cant blame Microsoft for having the most powerful console if that be the case, as by your own definition, power plays a substantial role. Make sense?

 

[DanielsM]

Then begone. I'm sure there are other more non-silly threads you can peruse.

The silly one drew my attention, silly on my good man.

 

[onQ123]

Sony could release a 7TF console and they would still put out the best content & out sell Xbox

 

[JustP_Gaming]

This is a very Ameri-centric view.

I'

You be you. I'd like to have the console that has games that appeal to me.

I cannot argue that at all...

 

[Gavon West]

Why do you think that? Do you believe Halo Infinite, the next Gears, and the next Forza is going to do anything to change what happened this gen in the next?

Okay, so youre saying your blind????

Gotcha.

 

[Constant Flux]

Okay, so youre saying your blind????

Gotcha.

No, I'm just stating facts.

 

[Gavon West]

Sony could release a 7TF console and they would still put out the best content & out sell Xbox

How high ARE YOU right now?

I bet Sony's reading your post and thanking Zeus you're just a fan. Holy shit....

 

[Esppiral]

People is taking for granted that the ps5 will be more powerful, I'll grab the popcorns

 

[Gavon West]

No, I'm just stating facts.

 

[Shakka43]

it's the other way around actually, the Xbox One X does not erase the fact that Sony released the more capable console to kick start this current generation so it's on Microsoft to keep up this time around.

 

[bitbydeath]

Yes but in this world of the internet, twitter, IG, facebook. You are only as good as your last post.

That’s just how things have always been.
Media panders to Xbox.
Consumers pander to PlayStation.

 

[Gavon West]

People is taking for granted that the ps5 will be more powerful, I'll grab the popcorns

You do that big chief! While you're at it, can you stop accusing us of taking Sony for granted. I personally dont even rock with their games. Their pretty much all the same.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

That’s just how things have always been.
Media panders to Xbox.
Consumers pander to PlayStation.

I beg to differ, Media panders to what the consumers gravitate to, to get clicks and views. that's it.

 

[onQ123]

How high ARE YOU right now?

I bet Sony's reading your post and thanking Zeus you're just a fan. Holy shit....

Power has never sold a console it just help with marketing

do you see Xbox One X flying off the shelves?

 

[Gavon West]

it's the other way around actually, the Xbox One X does not erase the fact that Sony released the more capable console to kick start this current generation so it's on Microsoft to keep up this time around.

Sony had help from the beginning of this generation. Microsoft fumbled hard from the onset and continued to do so. Sony was there to pick up the pieces and run with it. As you can see, that didnt happen this time. The TGA announcement was clear, concise and to the point. To knock it out of the park, they introduced a very impressive in-engine trailer from one of their own award winning studios to show the visual targets for next gen visual fidelity.

Pretty much error free. It's going to be real interesting to see how Sony handles a different kind of Microsoft this gen. I look forward to seeing motherfuckers go from moving goal posts to actually just picking up the fucking thing and throwing it across the field. Lol

 

[Kdad]

How high ARE YOU right now?

I bet Sony's reading your post and thanking Zeus you're just a fan. Holy shit....

You've already stated you dont 'rock their games' when speaking of SONY...so if the X was lower powered than the PS5 it wouldn't sway you to the PS5 camp.

So why do you not see the opposite side of this coin.

I personally don't care if the PS5 is 'weaker' than a X, there is nothing on the X I wont get on PC and the exclusives on SONY systems are what I enjoy.

No one needs to be 'high' or be insulted to hold these views.

 

[Jigsaah]

And what if the Series X is priced at $599 for those 12TFs of supposed power and the PS5 is 10 TFs at $399?

None of these posts make any sense until we know prices.

/thread

 

[Sygma]

Lol, no

Sony understood that they need games, which is what Microsoft still struggles on

 

[NickFire]

Power has never sold a console it just help with marketing

do you see Xbox One X flying off the shelves?

IMO, X is not relevant to a conversation regarding the effect of power on potential sales of a brand new generation. I would argue that PS4's power advantage helped it sell consoles without question. How significant of an impact is debatable though, especially when the weaker system cost $100 more.

 

[Vawn]

Games and price will always be the two most important factors in consoles selling.

Personally, I care little about price. I'd happily pay $1000 for a console that justifies its price. However, games will always be #1.

PlayStation and Nintendo consoles are day one purchases because of the games. I've always bought Xbox too, but they now need to prove they can bring the games first.

 

[bitbydeath]

I beg to differ, Media panders to what the consumers gravitate to, to get clicks and views. that's it.

It was shown very strongly in the 360 days when RROD was going on and barely anyone said boo.

 

[Klayzer]

Definitive opinions - check

Angry attack posts - check

Lines in sand drawn - check

Wishful thinking - check

Ahhhhhh, that new-car smell of the nextgen battlefront.