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[Kinyou]

These situations always kinda boil down to that question though. Though I don't think there is anything anti progressive about banning certain types of topics.

Well, for me it's like pointing a finger at a group and saying "You're weird, you don't belong here". That's not something I'd consider progressive. Though I also remember the mods drawing the line at "Criminal Girls" which afaik had its thread closed. Considering the content is really quite extreme in that particular game I didn't really have a problem with that.

Oh, it's not just shipping for those two.

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The ending pretty much establishes them as a canon couple.

Woah, holy crap. That's certainly an attention grabber. I just wonder

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if this was always the way they wanted the story to go or if they let themselves be influenced by the shippers. I mean, I have only seen a few episodes of the first season of Korra, but both, Korra and Asami were shown as being straight.

 

[SDBurton]

that fact that I need to a list of animes that have this element, that you then can continue to defend seems preposterous to me.

What's preposterous is your lack of effort in doing what he's asking. Cajun is a genuine guy and will try to explain and/or agree to what you present as evidence. Don't bother posting if you're not going to contribute.

 

[cajunator]

Well it literally means budding or sprouting. It can be taken in numerous ways - "budding" girl or "sprouting" feelings.

This is mainly why I dont like to use the term. That isnt what it means to me.
it just means cute to me. No sexual connotation. I think honestly it does have somewhat of one.

 

[Moral Panic]

I agree with this guy though that the culture surrounding certain groups of people that generally find very problematic content 'moe' is a conversation absolutely worth having. so lets talk about that problematic content and the culture surrounding it? Moe is absolutely not useful the way people are using the term here, as if it means something tangible, as if moe is a look, a manner of speech, a set of behaviors, it's not it's a term that indicates your feelings towards something.

I understand what you are saying but I don't actually agree. Moe is a feeling yes, but when you create content to evoke that feeling in the audience then that is what we are talking about with a "moe artstyle" or "moe characteristics". When the character is given an eyepatch because they want to make the charcter seem damaged and evoke that moe feeling. Moe is personal, but like most other feelings it can be generalised and made tangible. A restaurant can be considered romantic even though what considered as romantic is a personal feeling.

 

[nynt9]

This or anyone who posts in a Senran Kagura thread.

Or that thread with the PS4 game that's only about sexually harassing women.

GAF is weird. Likes to wear this progressive label but then has the absolute most questionable game threads with dozens of pages.

Wait what? What game are you talking about? I don't think such a game exists, unless it's some weird niche unlocalized thing? Either that or you're exaggerating.

You're not talking about Akiba's Trip are you?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

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this is what became of the Black Culture thread.

 

[cajunator]

I understand what you are saying but I don't actually agree. Moe is a feeling yes, but when you create content to evoke that feeling in the audience then that is what we are talking about with a "moe artstyle" or "moe characteristics". When the character is given an eyepatch because they want to make the charcter seem damaged and evoke that moe feeling. Moe is personal, but like most other feelings it can be generalised and made tangible. A restaurant can be considered romantic even though what considered as romantic is a personal feeling.

I dunno about eyepatch. Usually those characters are hiding some power or ability.

 

[pants]

I understand what you are saying but I don't actually agree. Moe is a feeling yes, but when you create content to evoke that feeling in the audience then that is what we are talking about with a "moe artstyle" or "moe characteristics". When the character is given an eyepatch because they want to make the charcter seem damaged and evoke that moe feeling. Moe is personal, but like most other feelings it can be generalised and made tangible. A restaurant can be considered romantic even though what considered as romantic is a personal feeling.

A lot of people find Kimi Ni Todoke's Sawako moe. This is as harmless as harmless can be. Now you get people who find Criminal Girls moe. This is as harmful as harmful can be

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actually there are way worse out there but lets forget that for a second

So why again is it useful to address 'moe' instead of sexualizing underaged girls?

 

[roundabout]

I agree with you a lot OP, although the whole moe thing doesn't bother me as much as it does for you. I'm still pretty young, so I don't find the whole style creepy just yet, but I have thought "If I still enjoy this type of anime a decade or two from now, I'm going to start looking pretty damn creepy." Also, I more or less started watching anime when the whole moe style started to become more prominent, so that also might have something to do with it as well. I don't really like how they portray women either for the most part, and it's begun to bother me more and more lately as I watch anime. Like another poster said, companies are producing what's going make them the most money, and right now this is one of those niches that sells really well, despite how wrong or creepy it can seem. Hopefully (and I don't see why it won't) we'll start to see it taper off and have something else take its place.

This is a really good point. I think the trouble with a lot of fandoms is when people don't grow out of them. 30 year old Pokemon fans, people who've been playing Halo for over a decade... There comes a pint when you should acknowledge that you are too old for some things and they're not for you any more.

I have a lot of ideas about this moe thing but it's Christmas Day and I'm too drunk to type them up. Maybe in another life.

 

[Kinyou]

Wait what? What game are you talking about? I don't think such a game exists, unless it's some weird niche unlocalized thing? Either that or you're exaggerating.

You're not talking about Akiba's Trip are you?

I believe he/she mean this game

 

[nynt9]

I believe he/she mean this game

lol wow

but I don't see the sexual harassment angle from that post (though creepshots are pretty close, I guess)

Moe fandom is way bigger in the west than it is in Japan, from what I've gathered in my several times I've been there. I don't know why. Like, sure, moe exists and it has a niche following but it's way more exaggerated among western anime fans.

 

[The Technomancer]

lol wow

but I don't see the sexual harassment angle from that post (though creepshots are pretty close, I guess)

Creepshots are sexual harassment. They're sexually charged invasions of privacy, and its a peeve of mine when media, japanese or otherwise, treats them as "boyish fun" or whatever

 

[XiaNaphryz]

but I don't see the sexual harassment angle from that post (though creepshots are pretty close, I guess)

Stalking girls to take photos of them from compromising angles without their permission isn't harassment now?

wut

 

[firehawk12]

http://i.imgur.com/M6XKxer.gif

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I generally agree with your post, especially concerning the popularity of harem romance (a format which doesn't make any sense outside of visual novels where you need more than one romance route), but i'm finding that every year there are more and more shows breaking convention and either subverting or wholly sidestepping the archetypes in question.

I'm glad someone mentioned that Soranowoto isn't exactly a moe show. lol

 

[Kaisos]

This thread:

 

[SenorArdilla]

Creepshots are sexual harassment. They're sexually charged invasions of privacy, and its a peeve of mine when media, japanese or otherwise, treats them as "boyish fun" or whatever

In fact, that's the reason most electronic devices (from and going into Japan) with cameras make that click sound when a picture is taken.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Well, for me it's like pointing a finger at a group and saying "You're weird, you don't belong here". That's not something I'd consider progressive. ]

Well, in the context, or what I perceive the context, of this thread to be, we're talking about the sexualization of minors/making adult women look more child like, and then adopting as much sexual pandering as you can to older males. And then the commercialization of it all...

That's disgusting, abusive, anti social behavior and I'm fine with excluding people of that "group". I don't have any particular respect for that niche and do not find its suppression to be anti progressive, much less allowing it to exist as some type of hallmark of progessivism.

Best way I can put it is to compare it to similar discussions on racism. I care less about a person's right to free speech/expression than I do a person's right to freedom from racism. I feel that the ladder is immeasurably more "progressive" than allowing racism to continue under the assumption of "free speech".

Wait what? What game are you talking about? I don't think such a game exists, unless it's some weird niche unlocalized thing? Either that or you're exaggerating.

You're not talking about Akiba's Trip are you?

Nah, it's an open world game that, from what I understand, centers around a man sneaking around trying to sneak under skirt shots of underage women/women drawn to look underage.

Not incredibly familiar to Akiba's Trip. I could be wrong, but isn't that the game where you beat up women to de-cloth them, and then you "rub" them for some reason? The game I'm thinking of has had some defenders saying that whats depicted is "okay" because it isn't really underage/underage looking women, but aliens or something.

Criminal Girls doesn't look too much more wild than some of the stuff I've seen pop up in the gaming side of the forums. Usually PS Vita threads as well. Particularly this girl/tank themed game.


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Yes, that's the game.

Creepshots absolutely ARE sexual harassment/assault.

 

[The Technomancer]

Nah, it's an open world game that, from what I understand, centers around a man sneaking around trying to sneak under skirt shots of underage women/women drawn to look underage.

Not incredibly familiar to Akiba's Trip. I could be wrong, but isn't that the game where you beat up women to de-cloth them, and then you "rub" them for some reason? The game I'm thinking of has had some defenders saying that whats depicted is "okay" because it isn't really underage/underage looking women, but aliens or something.

Akiba's Trip is a game where you beat up "vampires" and rip their clothing off to expose them to the sun, but at least it presents you with male and female enemies equally.

 

[MHWilliams]

Is this not true of all other media?

Yeah, but all media would be a another thread and we can talk about that in the threads where it appears. We have had thread about the representation of women in games, about the overuse of comics tropes, etc. This thread is about a specific media. I'm not sure why people tend to bring this phrase into discussions.

True, fanservice isn't really the same thing, but wouldn't a lot of "true" moe essentially qualify as fanservice? It's still there to sexually please the viewer. Very possible to be put off by both while still understanding their differences.

You're conflating two different ideas here, though the OP admittedly does too.

The OPs real problem is that "moe" character designs and sexual fanservice are used with such frequency that they're frequently found in the same work. And others have chimed in - like your example with Freezing - that overuse of these tropes prevents them from consuming works they otherwise would've enjoyed.

From what I gather, K-On! is one of the flagship series for moe, and it's not about fanservice. You should really dissociate both, since there's nothing in common with them.

Correct, thought the fandom sometimes takes it in that direction. Fandom is going to fandom.

This is mainly why I dont like to use the term. That isnt what it means to me.
it just means cute to me. No sexual connotation. I think honestly it does have somewhat of one.

Part of that is due to the frequency of moe+fanservice. If someone is not a big fan of the medium, there is a prevalence of content that gets pushed in front of them. For example, superhero comics aren't all about this:

But the is an argument to be made that it's pushed to the forefront and can turn people off.

Anime is coming up on the same problem Big Two comics and Western animation has (Young Justice was cancelled because they expected young boys and got young to middle-aged women. Instead of pivoting on the merchandise to reach the different demographic, they gave up.) has "Do we sell hard on this same, small demographic? Or make moves to appeal to a wider audience?" I'm not directly in that business, so I can't answer that question.

Generally though, there's always good stuff to watch. There is a variety out there and it's only a few shows where I would've watched it if not for specific content. Most of them I can see from a mile away. Irregular was the last one that tripped me up.

This thread:

Vast simplification, but whatever makes you feel superior.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Akiba's Trip is a game where you beat up "vampires" and rip their clothing off to expose them to the sun, but at least it presents you with male and female enemies equally.

I may be conflating the two together.

One of them has you using the touch screen to rub girls.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

I personally don't think that using "moe" as a description is particularly useful. It seems that everyone has their own definitions for this word while not caring to explain what that definition is unless asked. At which point I wonder why they didn't just extrapolate an explanation in the first place.

When I read posts that use this as the sole term for what they are talking about I often leave that post more confused than I did before starting it since I can't pinpoint what the poster is speaking about specifically because of the prevalence of such a contested/vague term.

This thread:

+1 to the Symphogear mention.

 

[MHWilliams]

I may be conflating the two together.

One of them has you using the touch screen to rub girls.

You're probably thinking of Criminal Girls.

Which... yeah.

 

[Intheflorsh]

I'm not a huge anime fan, but in the one anime I did watch this year (Attack on Titan) I remember a scene where one of the main characters is straight up lusting after a 10 year old. I thought it was incredibly creepy and out of place, but it sounds like it's a part of this "culture".

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

My assumption of what moe is was the aforementioned young girls/older women drawn to look like young girls + sexual fan service + adult men. I had seen stuff like Otomedius referred to as "moe" but it just seemed like they tried to shoe horn cute girls into the genre for the exposure. I played it since I like shmups but didn't find anything that made me feel uncomfortable while playing it. Same thing with that Cave shooter.

Same thing with K-On. Though before reading this thread I didn't know it was drawn for, and it's main fanbase was, adult men. I just assumed it was like me when I was a young pot head. I'd watch Sponge Bob or whatever on Sunday mornings. Hell, I downloaded K-On for my niece because I thought it was about a girl band and in the ten or so EPs I've watched I never saw anything really questionable. So, stuff like K-On is fine, I guess, in my experience. Stuff like Akiba's Trip or whatever, however, isn't. But then that stuff may not be moe?

 

[SenorArdilla]

You're probably thinking of Criminal Girls.

Which... yeah.

Or Monster Monpiece.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

You clearly don't understand the difference lol. "True moe"? Now you're just making shit up.

I don't claim to be an expert, just knowing what I like and dislike. I don't like abundant fanservice and moe (or better to say, parts of "moe" culture like fetishizing little girls) is more or less what's being said.

My sides are splitting from laughter. Holy hell xD

 

[Icyflamez96]

wow people are going to think of me less because I made a vita praise thread

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and none of the "anime" games on vita ever interested me except gravity rush

People who trash other users for having anime avatars are messed up

 

[cajunator]

This is a really good point. I think the trouble with a lot of fandoms is when people don't grow out of them. 30 year old Pokemon fans, people who've been playing Halo for over a decade... There comes a pint when you should acknowledge that you are too old for some things and they're not for you any more.

I have a lot of ideas about this moe thing but it's Christmas Day and I'm too drunk to type them up. Maybe in another life.

Sorry but I dont believe this. Fandom shouldnt be an age defined thing. Some people are young at heart and enjoy collecting and watching things not necessarily intended for them.
I could say Im too old for gaming at 32 but thats not true either.

 

[Chariot]

This thread:

Love these

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Sorry but I dont believe this. Fandom shouldnt be an age defined thing. Some people are young at heart and enjoy collecting and watching things not necessarily intended for them.
I could say Im too old for gaming at 32 but thats not true either.

Right. I agree with this as well. I've watched EPs of K-On or MLP. But that's about the extent of it. I don't think a grown man watching stuff like that is defacto strange. But if he shows me his MLP drawings with ahegao (sp?) faces.... then I feel creeped out.

 

[Chariot]

Right. I agree with this as well. I've watched EPs of K-On or MLP. But that's about the extent of it. I don't think a grown man watching stuff like that is defacto strange. But if he shows me his MLP drawings with ahegao (sp?) faces.... then I feel creeped out.

Perverts are a whole other thing. Not everyone who watches shows outside of the spectrum society think he or she should watch at that age, with that gender and that social level is a pervert.

 

[Superflat]

I don't really know how to take the words of some of the criticisms here with any value because I'm constantly seeing shows and games that have virtually no exploitation and stirring them into the the same pot that they use as evidence with games and shows that clearly do. It's clear that there's judgement going on at a very superficial level and plenty of people start their statements with "I don't touch any of this moe stuff, BUT..."

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[The Technomancer]

I don't really know how to take the words of some of the criticisms here with any value because I'm constantly seeing shows and games that have virtually no exploitation and stirring them into the the same pot that they use as evidence with games and shows that clearly do. It's clear that there's judgement going on at a very superficial level and plenty of people start their statements with "I don't touch any of this moe stuff, BUT..."

I can't speak for others but for me its in large part informed by both the fan reaction to a lot of these works and the closeness of a lot of creators to that fandom. See my point a couple pages ago about how important merchandising clearly is. Any actual show in question is often only a small part of the merchandising machine that is often willing to indulge the less....innocent interests.

K-On the show? Pretty much totally innocent, at the very lest criticisms against it are fairly mild. K-On the entire property, all of the fan merchandise included? Yeah there's quite a bit of icky stuff

 

[cajunator]

Right. I agree with this as well. I've watched EPs of K-On or MLP. But that's about the extent of it. I don't think a grown man watching stuff like that is defacto strange. But if he shows me his MLP drawings with ahegao (sp?) faces.... then I feel creeped out.

I can agree to that. Its not being a fan but how a person expresses the fandom.

 

[Acorn]

Moe style guarantees I'll never be caught dead playing your game or watching your cartoon.

 

[Intheflorsh]

No one should dismiss an outsider's perspective. It's possible to become so inundated in your media of choice that you start to miss flaws or become too forgiving of some "questionable" choices. An outsider's perspective can often tell you some hard truths about these things.

 

[FO-totality]

This is a really good point. I think the trouble with a lot of fandoms is when people don't grow out of them. 30 year old Pokemon fans, people who've been playing Halo for over a decade... There comes a pint when you should acknowledge that you are too old for some things and they're not for you any more.

I have a lot of ideas about this moe thing but it's Christmas Day and I'm too drunk to type them up. Maybe in another life.

This is one of the most hilarious posts in the whole thread.

 

[SmithnCo]

I find the "moe fanbase" to be generally annoying so that in itself is a big turnoff.

 

[Extollere]

I know this dude at work who loves moe anime/manga to the point he draws them at lunch and stuff. It's kinda weird, but we've been friends forever plus he could snap me and 90% of the population in half and suck the marrow from my/their spine if he wanted to, so no one ever really gives him shit for it, much less me. Dude's happily married with 2 kids as well. Not everyone who watches this stuff is a total creeper, dudes =

...

Although I would be lying if I said I didn't give him shit all the time about drawing me some FotNS stuff vs "that silly little girl shit"

I want to be friends with your friend

 

[The Silver]

this is more about fanservice but man do I hate when it's inserted into shows I would otherwise really like.


Recently I just felt like watching a good fun shounen, see this new one called Seven Deadly Sins. Of course within the first episode I see the typical oblivious shy girl with a 10/10 body who constantly ends up "sexy" situations. Main character is a pervert who grabs her boobs while she stands there oblivious and blah blah you all know this story.

Goddamn anime, I just want some good dumb fighting shit.

 

[Jigolo]

I hate this shit. 90% of anime is this garbage stuff that I have absolutely no interest in unfortunately.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

I can agree to that. Its not being a fan but how a person expresses the fandom.

Right, and we can probably agree that there is a difference in something that is more or less rather "innocent" that is hijacked by a certain type of people, versus something that caters to that certain type of person, but wraps it up in the facade of "innocence".

For the lack of a better term.

 

[injurai]

Love these

 

[Deleted member 17706]

These situations always kinda boil down to that question though. Though I don't think there is anything anti progressive about banning certain types of topics.

Definitely not.

"Progress" is right there in the word. Definitely isn't about allowing anything and everything.

 

[Superflat]

K-On the show? Pretty much totally innocent, at the very lest criticisms against it are fairly mild. K-On the entire property, all of the fan merchandise included? Yeah there's quite a bit of icky stuff

When fan merchandise is included, almost every property will have all manner of perversions of course, but it's out of the control of the property-holder's hands. The worst official merchandise will ever do with something like K-On is illustrate a beach scene. I really don't care for it (if anything it undermines my enjoyment of the show a bit) but I'm a live and let live kinda guy when it comes to fictional entertainment. You don't have to be a anti-social recluse or a woman-hater to enjoy moe and its various facets is all I'm sayin

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

From what I gather, K-On! is one of the flagship series for moe, and it's not about fanservice. You should really dissociate both, since there's nothing in common with them.

Like you said, your series example with the antagonist losing her armor for the sake of fanservice is not moe, and therefore not exactly what this topic is about. There're examples of moe that adds fanservice (just look at anything related to Mikuru Asahina), but that's not the norm.

I think an aspect of moe is cuteness and inocence, which often gets expressed through awkward girls. That awkwardness is in turn often expressed through the character being really easy to pick on due to their innocence (which means they often take things at face value) or due to being clumsy and setting them up for embarassing situations. These two traits can be used in whichever way the writers want, from a fun interaction like that between Ritsu and Mio in K-On! (Ritsu loves picking on Mio's scaredy-cat nature and angering her through manzai-like routines) to Mikuru and Haruhi's relationship (where the former is pushed around and often forced to strip offscreen to change into ridiculous outfits by the latter).

And again, I'll wave around the Sengoku Nadeko card (from the Monogatari series) because she felt like a great deconstruction of the moe stereotype. While it might only be me, I'd say the way the series tried to portray what a real-ish person would actually be if he/she adhered to a particular anyme character stereotype (despite the series being about fantastic elements on the surface) was kind of similar to the way Evangelion deconstructed the tsundere, "lead that gets led around all the time" and mysterious untalkative character stereotypes through Asuka, Shinji and Rei. That alone showed me that moe could be a really effective trope if used well, so I haven't completely lost faith in it, even though I do believe that the way most Japanese media uses it is as a cheap tool to raise sales.

Damn now you bring NGE into the discussion x3. Have to admit I might be kinda biased in levying some of my criticisms at other stories while letting NGE get a free pass, but some of the habits it does w/ its cast I either overlook outright or just get distracted from because it's a kick-ass story in its own right. Sort of the same w/ the Bokurano manga, which I enjoyed quite a bit.

This is an insightful post tho and maybe sometime I'll take a step back and word better exactly what irritates me about a lot of anime that falls into the "moe" bracket. Because there are some with those cutesy designs I can appreciate, but b/c they don't sexualize those characters. As you and others have said tho those like myself might be overreaching with how many anime actually do that sort of thing.

Like MHWilliams said however, it is annoying to see those type of typical "moe" designs infiltrate other shows. It's like a hyper-cutified version of the CLAMP style but I can dig some of their stories like X or Tokyo Babylon, since the aesthetic isn't the main focus. In my case it's maybe the standardization of a particular art design encroaching all these other works in the field that gets me miffed; it's just too cute for some stories that would work better with a grittier look.

I only mentioned Freezing to serve as a contrast of where my limit breaks even regarding full-bodied adults when it comes to fanservice in a show I feel would be just as strong (if not stronger) without it. If it were a similar show but with prepubescent tweens/teens, it'd be off the list permanently. At least in Freezing's case if I hear it eases back on that stuff the further it goes along, and there's time to give it another try, the chance is there for it to go back in the query.

 

[The Technomancer]

When fan merchandise is included, almost every property will have all manner of perversions of course, but it's out of the control of the property-holder's hands. The worst official merchandise will ever do with something like K-On is illustrate a beach scene. I really don't care for it (if anything it undermines my enjoyment of the show a bit) but I'm a live and let live kinda guy when it comes to fictional entertainment. You don't have to be a anti-social recluse or a woman-hater to enjoy moe and its various facets is all I'm sayin

I don't think this is true at all. Japanese properties perhaps, but I'm having trouble finding any erotically tinged merchandise, official or otherwise, for similar popular and innocent "Western" properties (and thank god for Google safe search, because "Teen Titans body pillow" is not something I need coming back to haunt me)

 

[Superflat]

Damn now you bring NGE into the discussion x3. Have to admit I might be kinda biased in levying some of my criticisms at other stories while letting NGE get a free pass, but some of the habits it does w/ its cast I either overlook outright or just get distracted from because it's a kick-ass story in its own right. Sort of the same w/ the Bokurano manga, which I enjoyed quite a bit.

This is an insightful post tho and maybe sometime I'll take a step back and word better exactly what irritates me about a lot of anime that falls into the "moe" bracket. Because there are some with those cutesy designs I can appreciate, but b/c they don't sexualize those characters. As you and others have said tho those like myself might be overreaching with how many anime actually do that sort of thing.

Like MHWilliams said however, it is annoying to see those type of typical "moe" designs infiltrate other shows. It's like a hyper-cutified version of the CLAMP style but I can dig some of their stories like X or Tokyo Babylon, since the aesthetic isn't the main focus. In my case it's maybe the standardization of a particular art design encroaching all these other works in the field that gets me miffed; it's just too cute for some stories that would work better with a grittier look.

I only mentioned Freezing to serve as a contrast of where my limit breaks even regarding full-bodied adults when it comes to fanservice in a show I feel would be just as strong (if not stronger) without it. If it were a similar show but with prepubescent tweens/teens, it'd be off the list permanently. At least in Freezing's case if I hear it eases back on that stuff the further it goes along, and there's time to give it another try, the chance is there for it to go back in the query.

Freezing is a fan-service show. Like, all the official art I've ever seen of it screams that it's a show created to display lots of T&A, like Ikkitousen. I honestly haven't come across any shows like that created with prepubescent girls. I feel like I'm inviting people to give me examples of them now though, bleh.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I don't know how Moe is so terrifying to so many when the general populace seems to be fascinated by barely legal type of porn.

While I'm not sure your observation is accurate in the first place, I'd say there's a pretty big difference between being attracted to young post-pubescent depictions of humans and very young pre-pubescent depictions of humans.

 

[jwk94]

This or anyone who posts in a Senran Kagura thread.

Or that thread with the PS4 game that's only about sexually harassing women.

GAF is weird. Likes to wear this progressive label but then has the absolute most questionable game threads with dozens of pages.

What's wrong with liking shinovi versus?