Icyflamez96
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It's not even just moe that people hate on, but anything anime. I've seen people hate on Avatar for being "anime crap" so that should say it all.
I've grown confused and frustrated with the "moe culture", and I need to vent.
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I'll admit I'm speaking from ignorance here, but isn't "Rule 34" something that proliferated in the West, which is primarily for turning anything and everything into pornographic material?
Agreed. For example Cardcaptor Sakura and Hidamari Sketch. People who sexualise Yuno or Sakura are just the worst.
The Technomancer
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Fan art sure, although even then I'd wager there's a difference in the ubiquity of the more sexually charged stuff in fandom communities (but I haven't dived deep enough into them to find out). But the OP isn't just talking about the media itself, its about the "culture" around it. The fact that there are dozens of different sexually charged K-On body pillows and a comparative lack of anyone trying to sell to the market of sexy Gravity Falls fan-art drawers speaks to relative differences in the two groups
I mean, just look at the different communities we have here. The Adventure Time thread is pretty lacking in any "lewd" art. The K-On thread...notsomuch
I keep trying not to pick on K-On specifically but goddamn its fandom is just a really good example that its useful to reference along various axies. Its hardly unique, believe me I know
Moral Panic
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It's not.
Moe ain't a "style" though. This thread has been pretty hilarious to read through. I think that K-ON! was pretty damned mediocre despite the hype that surrounded it but it's harmless none the less.( I wonder though how most people feel about "fujoshi" who are basically the female counterparts to those "creepy" otakus being talked about in this thread.) "Moe" is a a feeling one gets about a certain character, any character can be considered "moe" depending on the viewers taste. Rei Hiroe described the women of Black Lagoon as "bitch moe" or something to that effect.
I do realize that there are shows pretty much built around "cute girls doing cute things" and i am not too big on it.( except in the case of something like Pani Poni Dash which was more of a comedy gag show) Not gonna shit on people who enjoy it though either, yeah i get that you don't get it but there is no need to be an asshole about it. I don't think it's "ruined anime" either. There are plenty of great shows to watch, if you think all there is in anime is "moeshit" then you probably don't really watch much anime.
No, its not. As a matter of fact, 95% of the people who posted in this thread love anime. I dislike moe greatly, but love anime.
RoboGeorgeForeman
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They may not use the same terminology, but that's true in Japan as well.
As far as the whole moe thing goes, I really don't care either way. I 'm just not a huge fan of Slice of Life anime or shows that are entirely about fan service or cuteness. I want a little more meat to my shows than that. But, if Gundams were suddenly piloted by cute girls I wouldn't mind too much as long as the plot didn't suffer.
I get what you mean then, regarding communities.
My anime fandom consists mostly of myself and a few friends in real life, so I'm mostly isolated from online communities or getting super invested into one show. I watch a series, love or hate it, and move on.
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Jesus Christ... did you just try to prove his point or something?
His problem is that the majority of anime he sees is in this moe style. That's pretty apparent in the link you provided.
To be fair, the first seven things on that list look moe as fuck. I don't know if they are though. Didn't look at the rest of the list, but I'd assume similar trends.
The Technomancer
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Yeah that's kind of what it is for me these days as well. Which is a shame, because I enjoy being part of, say, GAF as a discussion and gaming community by dipping my toes into dozens of discussions that I have various levels of experience with, from games I adore to games I'm not even playing, and I really can't do the same thing for anime without feeling uncomfortable.
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Your gamer friends do not know what anime is?
I do not believe you.
With good reason, I'd say...
I'm buying that figure come hell or high water. I prefer her series outfit though, cuz lab coats are MOE
RoboGeorgeForeman
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Doesn't really make me uncomfortable, but I hate when shipping and waifu shit is discussed more than the show itself.
If people would just sit down and bother to look at everything instead of glancing at all these bright colors, people would see that moe shows are a good chunk, but not the majority. If we take a bit more of time and look at what the shows are about and how they present their characters even less. Moe is certainly there and maybe a bit too common, but by god, there are enough shows that don't feature moe style.
The first seven? I can see that there are unfortunately a lot of moe looking things in the first seven, Yona and Cardfight Vanguard don't really look like that from the posters. Also please look at the whole list, that's a reason why I posted it. People are so easy to cherry pick good anime out of 20 years of anime before '00 against a handful years of modern anime.
I am almost certain that we had some "modern anime are crap"-thread a few months ago.
These are late thirties age women. They havent watched anime. They do like Archer.
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Stop caring about what other people like and why they like it, and focus on why you like it
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Stop caring about what other people like and why they like it, and focus on why you like it
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MHWilliams
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That didn't seem all that useful a post.
And turns off others. Yeah, anecdotal evidence! Different strokes and all that!
From the first post:
ZombiePlatypus
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Because moe is the catalyst that brought this sort of gross blatant pandering with it. Yea, I'm sure sexualized underage girls was a thing in anime (and whatever other media) before, but at least it stayed in the underbelly of the medium where it belonged. After moe (and even the waifu trend) exploded the way it did, it's like all these creepy works and troubling character designs crawled outta the woodwork front and center.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for wacky and cute shows, have nothing inherenrtly against a series featuring a young cast,and love slice of life stuff. But, when the whole show is made to basically be a vehicle to display little girls made to appeal to older men in that trademark moe creepy vibe, it feels off at best.
I remember when anime was defaulted to magical fantastic adventures, giant ass kicking robots, crazy fights, insane head tripping sci-fi, etc. Moe wasn't a thing in people's minds and there wasn't nearly as much of an "animu is shit" sentiment.
As a longtime anime fan, I love that there are still a lot of legitimately great shows and films being made. But, it's baffeling to see a huge chunk of the community and industry take something that should honestly be a niche within a niche, and embrace and highlight it the way they have. Especially given its inherent problems and creepiness. Not to mention how off putting it is to potential new commers and how it makes the medium appear to outsiders.
You've got it backwards.
Moe is mainstream.
It's the "great shows and films" that are niche. Why? Because they don't sell. They're not particularly profitable. Their overseas appeal is a pittance, because foreign markets have generally cooled down on anime compared to the situation in 90s.
Moe stuff gets made because it sells and puts food on the table.
The industry doesn't dictate what sells and what doesn't, anymore than Hollywood singlehandedly chooses what kinds of movies Americans like. It's a dialog, with audiences' tastes (and the audiences themselves) shifting and the industry responding to those shifts and feeding those tastes. Want to really know why moe came to dominate anime?
Because you didn't buy enough of the other kind.
They do it because it literally pays the bills.
Psycho_Mantis
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and the worst post in this thread goes to you.
Thankfully anime does not equal moe.....so no.
Green Mamba
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Anime as an industry has shrank to an absolute shell of its former self and that niche within a niche backroom audience is the only thing really left that keeps it going.
That, of course, doesn't absolve it of its sins. But it is what it is. It certainly doesn't help bring newcomers to the medium in any large numbers, it's too off putting for too large amount of people. But really, at this point, anime may be a lost cause in that regard. It might be that all you can do now is fish for the diamond in the rough and support what you can. Anime won't die completely, but it's not going to return to the glory days.
That, of course, doesn't absolve it of its sins. But it is what it is. It certainly doesn't help bring newcomers to the medium in any large numbers, it's too off putting for too large amount of people. But really, at this point, anime may be a lost cause in that regard. It might be that all you can do now is fish for the diamond in the rough and support what you can. Anime won't die completely, but it's not going to return to the glory days.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Nothing ruins threads worse than waifu crap. Glad GAF has the occasional ban policy on it.
Man I'm in my thirties and know what it is lol
Fwiw I'm pretty critical of that stuff as well. I was in the minority of people praising Valve for pulling hatred.
What do you mean? I thought anime was still pretty popular
What glory days?
Yeah i'm woth you OP.
I study study japanese at college, and you can very well imagine the local fauna: people with all sorts of moe girls on agendas, notebooks, wallpapers, heck i once saw a guy with a girl from that band anime on his sweater.
And the sad thing is that by saying i study japanese i automatically get tagged as "one of those moe maniacs" (actually heard this one), which makes me sad on the real japanese culture.
I'll go back watching JoJo and Hajime no Ippo, at least those are some manlier and badass anime.
I study study japanese at college, and you can very well imagine the local fauna: people with all sorts of moe girls on agendas, notebooks, wallpapers, heck i once saw a guy with a girl from that band anime on his sweater.
And the sad thing is that by saying i study japanese i automatically get tagged as "one of those moe maniacs" (actually heard this one), which makes me sad on the real japanese culture.
I'll go back watching JoJo and Hajime no Ippo, at least those are some manlier and badass anime.
ZombiePlatypus
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Yea at this point you're right. It's just crazy that the tables flipped though. Niche fetish now defines the medium I guess. And I certainly did my part and still do with the other kind :/
I can't blame them for this. It's just nuts that it's popular to the point of being the bread and butter of the medium.
A good half of those shows (20/41), possibly more contain moe elements. So,a good half. A far cry from 90%, but I was never making that argument, and I think the poster was being hyperbolic anyhow.
As for quality, the only shows that I have a real chance of enjoying are Mushishi season 2 (holy shit!), Sanzoku no Musume Ronja (cause of ghibli), Psycho Pass season 2 (apperently season 1 was ok), and Terraformars (cause I'm as sucker for "realistic" space travel, and apparently the manga was ok). All things considered, thats actually the makings for a pretty good season, but the only one I'll be tuning in for before reviews is Mushishi, cause season 1 was fucking sick.
The leftmost one reminds me of Roberta
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People need to understand that the anime industry is focused on Japan's audience/markets and that anime brought over to the West back in the 80s/90s were specifically handpicked to suit a Western audience. "Moe Culture" didn't suddenly spring out of nowhere, since the advent of anime in Japan it has existed and since then has grown to mainstream. So the notion that "Anime is shit now compared to the awesomesauce anime we had back then" is a fallacy, the shit has always outnumbered the good, and this is not exclusive to anime in particular, see video games.
I'd be embarrassed to display them, but then again, I don't like anime and I don't know anyone who does in real life.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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I like Parodius, but if you're over a certain age of think it weird to see that on your book shelf.
John Kowalski
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curlyfriski
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I thought K-ON was one of the few anime with mainstream appeal in Japan and had a large female fanbase. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Snkfanatic
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Not so wild when you compare it to Michael Bay type schlock being the bread and butter of the film industry.
This!
The Technomancer
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If you're the one making the point that this stuff isn't always sexual I'm not sure if posting an array of figures including a girl in a playboy bunny costume complete with fishnets, another who appears to be lifting up her skirt, and yet another who's peeling her stockings off while looking seductively at the viewer really helps your case
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