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[Brofield]

I mean, the Muppets were fantastic, don't change the format at all. My only disappointment was not seeing Muppet Luigi and Kermit duet on "It's Not Easy Being Green"

Spoiler

With Link HYAHing on the beat

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It was the lack of content on Wii U. I mean...Mario Tennis and Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival are the only new Wii U titles. Everything else we already learned over the last 12 months.

Maybe it was silly of me to assume they had the mini-direct in late May because they had SO MUCH CONTENT in June they had to offload some of the smaller stuff (a Chibi-Robo platformer spinoff, other smaller 3DS games).

Better luck next year, but I think I'll be signing off E3 obsession this year and stick around for the major news threads. Hope Treehouse is fun for you guys.

 

[Not]

This is not a fact. All this is emotion-fueled speculation.

edit:

Actually, Gamespot has an article in which Miyamoto reconfirms Zelda for Wii U.

console-exclusive. and yes. it's a fact.

 

[The perfect Dark]

This sounds like when you're a kid, and you've opened all of your Christmas presents, and you still have some completely irrational hope that a long-lost relative will show up with another gift, or you'll find one stashed in a secret hiding place or something.

I still have nightmares

 

[Sayad]

since last year?

It was announced in January 2013 Nintendo Direct, first shown at E3 2014 and wont be launched before 2016 if not later. How is this any different from announcing a 2017 game in E3 2015?!

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Animal Crossing fans must have felt destroyed.

It was the biggest slap in the face I ever took as a gamer.

This is worse than Fantasy Life 2 being on iOS.

 

[Jazz573]

Yoshi comes out in a week in Europe. It's only on the "horizon" because NoA delayed it to pad their release schedule since there's nothing else coming out. Stop telling other people how to feel.

He's not telling people how to feel. He's sharing his opinion. You did the same thing to me when I shared my opinion.

 

[Mpl90]

2016 is the 20th anniversary year of Pokemon

NX it is.

It really depends on when the next "main" title is announced (X2/Y2/Z/whatever it'll be). If it doesn't come out in February (official anniversary month), I think that could be a cross-gen launch game. Alongside Zelda. Yep, I said it.

 

[big_erk]

I attended Sony's E3 experience here in Kansas City last night and was blown away a few times. I literally got goosebumps watching the FF7 Remake trailer.

The problem with Nintendo's presentation wasn't that there weren't any good games presented. It was that out of every highly anticipated game that they could have presented, they didn't show one. Not one teaser trailer or image. They could have showed one frame of Zelda Wii U and played some music and people would have lost their damn minds.

 

[Stilton Disco]

I still think it was definitely better than Microsoft's, which was a complete snorefest for me. Besides, I bet Persona fans thought the Sony conference was a disappointment.

Microsoft played to what it's fans want. Halo, Gears and Forza and big, brash, self congratulatory optimism. Same as always.

And as a Persona fan, Sony's conference was astonishing. The variety on display there, the huge number of titles coming, it's wonderful and comforting to know they're trying to cater to so many, myself and my weird tastes included.

And whether you care about them or not, and regardless of how they turn out, Sony at least helping to finally, finally make TLG, FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 a reality, shows us all just how dedicated to the industry, and the fans, they are these days. I wept repeatedly during that conference, it was incredible and overwhelming, despite the fact that I won't ever buy most of what they showed me.

Nintendo meanwhile, just told me I'm wrong for liking the franchises of theirs I care about, that they clearly don't anymore, and that I'm a schmuck for trusting them to do right by their customers.

 

[xerneas]

Think about the next gen, and what will happen to Nintendo once the competition gets their consoles out 2+ years later. Nintendo will be in the same situation again.

not true at all. 360 released a full year before the wii, and was more powerful and had a better online infrastructure.

none of that mattered, as the wii crushed it in sales.

 

[munchie64]

The fact that this console won't have a mainline Zelda is mind-blowing to me. What a flop. Kind of a bummer Sm4sh, Splatoon, W101, and other awesome games were pushed on it. I mean, the next Nintendo console will probably be backward compatible, so if it somehow takes off at least people will have a chance to play the good stuff.

The Wii U will have the next Zelda.

 

[213372bu]

Animal Crossing fans must have felt destroyed.

Those were pretty much the exact emotions at the exact times. Yeah.

Edit: The puppets were a terrible, creepy, cringeworthy attempt at making mee-mees for the young-un's. The format was horrible because it showed nothing about the games and more or less explaining what a two year old could gather from screenshots.

I honestly think Nintendo's non-ironic use of puppets very well shows who they want to cater to.

Not children and not their core.

 

[Gonzo The Great]

He's not telling people how to feel. He's sharing his opinion. You did the same thing to me when I shared my opinion.

First sentence of his post: "People are over reacting."

That's not an opinion. You're entitled to like their presentation, but stop trying to discredit people who disagree with you.

 

[PsychBat!]

The fact that this console won't have a mainline Zelda is mind-blowing to me. What a flop. Kind of a bummer Sm4sh, Splatoon, W101, and other awesome games were pushed on it. I mean, the next Nintendo console will probably be backward compatible, so if it somehow takes off at least people will have a chance to play the good stuff.

huh?

 

[Ansatz]

They need more development teams, western and japanese, thats for sure.
Its more important than ever now that the big 3rd parties will never work with them.

You have to look at 3DS, Wii U and eShop as a whole, what games Nintendo has published across all platforms since 2011.

The solution is to decrease the number of ecosystems you support from 2 to 1, not to increase the number of teams.

 

[AzureTranquility95]

I'm a bit surprised there was no Pokemon news whatsoever.

There's rumors that 2015 might be the first break year for mainline Pokemon since forever ago... all I can say is, thank fucking god.

 

[Oregano]

I'm sad they didn't have a joke about Bill Trinen being Slippy. Biggest missed opportunity.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Only Nintendo could put on such an unfocused, lacklustre show then have their fans say they feel sorry for the CEO as if he isn't responsible for the direction the company is going in - while he apologises to them and promises to do better for the hundredth time. Bizarre.

Why did they release the n3DS, again?

 

[Jazz573]

First sentence of his post: "People are over reacting."

That's not an opinion. You're entitled to like their presentation, but stop trying to discredit people who disagree with you.

It's his opinion that people are over reacting, and I share it. I'm not discrediting anyone, and you're entitled to feel how you want. Let's agree to disagree and move on.

 

[xerneas]

2016 is the 20th anniversary year of Pokemon

NX it is.

red/blue remake on NX as a launch title in fall 2016

generation 7 games in 2017

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Those were pretty much the exact emotions at the exact times. Yeah.

Towards the end I was trying to convince myself this would be just a new holiday/mini game in the real animal crossing and then the title showed up and my heart ached... I looked at my girlfriend like my dog just died...

 

[Voke]

I just bought a Wii U and the five games I was interested in last holiday. While all the games were great, the only two games i'll be buying until their next console is Zelda and Xenoblade. Seven games total is actually very abysmal for a $350 console with very outdated hardware. After this e3 i'm now officially very upset with Nintendo and I honestly regret my purchase.

 

[Not]

But it will have a mainline Zelda?

Not a console-exclusive one, unless Nintendo still thinks it can make money from the most ambitious Zelda game of all time on the Wii U.

given that the next console will likely move away from the powerpc architecture, i'm not sure why you're confident it will be backwards compatible

two most likely architectures at this point are ARM or x86/AMD based chip

Well, the Wii U is a big steaming waste then.

I didn't realize this was confirmed.

It's not. But if we don't get Zelda on the next console first Eat my hat / Avatar bet etc.

 

[Xellos]

The fact that this console won't have a mainline Zelda is mind-blowing to me. What a flop. Kind of a bummer Sm4sh, Splatoon, W101, and other awesome games were pushed on it. I mean, the next Nintendo console will probably be backward compatible, so if it somehow takes off at least people will have a chance to play the good stuff.

Zelda is still coming. Might end up being cross-platform with NX, but it's still coming for Wii U too.

 

[vinnygambini]

It really depends on when the next "main" title is announced (X2/Y2/Z/whatever it'll be). If it doesn't come out in February (official anniversary month), I think that could be a cross-gen launch game. Alongside Zelda. Yep, I said it.

That's what I'm banking on too.

Pokken & Zelda U are most definitely cross-gen launch games with the way Iwata implied NX OS would absorb Wii U architecture.

It's practically confirmed at this point.

 

[Oregano]

Only Nintendo could put on such an unfocused, lacklustre show then have their fans say they feel sorry for the CEO as if he isn't responsible for the direction the company is going in - while he apologises to them and promises to do better for the hundredth time. Bizarre.

Why did they release the n3DS, again?

To give them time to prepare NX. Reggie said as much to Forbes a few months ago.

 

[AzureTranquility95]

red/blue remake on NX as a launch title in fall 2016

generation 7 games in 2017

Or just skip to fucking generation 7 already.

 

[xaszatm]

huh?

People believe that the new Zelda is an NX exclusive.

You know, all this talk about betrayal makes me realize...how fragile our egos are. We literally had the Nintendo World Championships two days ago. Like really? They "betrayed" you? They hate you? They spite you? Can we possibly tune it down just a pinch?

 

[Azure J]

This "they moved everything to NX" talk is reminding me of pre Wii U when there was nothing coming out for the Wii and everybody assumed it was because they were saving everything for the Wii U launch.

Then came E3 2012.

It's so thoroughly insane for Nintendo to have nothing to show for a second console transition (especially out of such a dire straits situation) that I can't even entertain the thought. :lol

 

[Oli]

Yoshi comes out in a week in Europe. It's only on the "horizon" because NoA delayed it to pad their release schedule since there's nothing else coming out. Stop telling other people how to feel.

Nowhere in that post did I "tell you how to feel."

Personally, I feel that this presentation was totally fine, albeit unsurprising.

You guys have fun wallowing in your greif, I'm looking forward to what Nintendo is offering.

 

[Morfeo]

I just bought a Wii U and the five games I was interested in last holiday. While all the games were great, the only two games i'll be buying until their next console is Zelda and Xenoblade. Seven games total is actually very abysmal for a $350 console with very outdated hardware. After this e3 i'm now officially very upset with Nintendo and I honestly regret my purchase.

Wow, is there really nothing else? I think I have like 20 games for it and more coming.

 

[Diffense]

Nintendo had a chance to save the Wii U early on, like they did w/ 3DS and like MS did w/ Xbone. Instead, they stuck to their guns w/ the Gamepad and all the cost that it added to the system. They made the wrong choice. If they had dropped the Gamepad and price along w/ it, maybe they would have reached 20-30 million consoles LTD. Now, if they continue to support Wii U into 2017, their gaming business will fail so catastrophically that they may not go bankrupt, but they will certainly never be able to launch another console after it.

I don't know if they could have saved it early but the Wii U is definitely a catastrophic bomb by Nintendo console standards. It is especially jarring coming off the fantastic success that was the Wii.

I'm sure they're very concerned for their next machine and want to launch it with compelling software. I know Nintendo has denied it but I'm suspicious that Zelda U might pull a Twilight Princess or worse. It's clearly very ambitious and will be the biggest Zelda ever. Do they really want to release it exclusively on the moribund Wii U in late 2016? A beautiful open-world Zelda is definitely the kind of software that could drive initial sales of a new console.

 

[Calamari41]

Nintendo has released enough information over the last few weeks to have had a good Direct, especially for a year in which we all know they're basically killing time until they can launch the NX. They just have no ability to read the market or read their fans, and so they shot their wad in tiny bursts which also got people's hopes up for what they thought was going to be the main event today.

They need to study what Sony has been able to do with regards to manufacturing and then riding the hype machine. Shit, just localizing Mother 3 alone and adding that to this Direct would have basically shut up huge swaths of their base, the ones raging the most right now.

Their utter refusal to read their fans and throw them a bone is what is responsible for all of this. F-Zero and Mother 3, just as a hypothetical, would have completely saved this show for them and would barely cost them anything. But you just know that it never entered any of their minds to throw out a little fan service.

 

[Busaiku]

There's rumors that 2015 might be the first break year for mainline Pokemon since forever ago... all I can say is, thank fucking god.

Pretty much a lock.
Pokken and Super Mystery Dungeon are the big releases this year, with the F2P games rounding out the list.

 

[Not]

The Wii U will have the next Zelda.

huh?

Zelda is still coming. Might end up being cross-platform with NX, but it's still coming for Wii U too.

Dammit guys. Fine I'll edit the original post.

 

[Version 3.0]

i'm not sure why people keep thinking that a NX release next year would result in an "early" retirement for the wii u.

wii u came out in the fall of 2012, giving it a lifespan of 4 years assuming the NX comes out next fall.

the gameboy advance and original xbox both had 4 year lifespans.

The GBA and Xbox were both killed off early - literally pulled from stores in the Xbox's case - to make way for their successors. Look around, you'll find that the consensus is that they were cut short. No reason for people to feel any different about the Wii U if it's not given a 5 year lifespan.

 

[213372bu]

Towards the end I was trying to convince myself this would be just a new holiday/mini game in the real animal crossing and then the title showed up and my heart ached... I looked at my girlfriend like my dog just died...

I thought when there when everyone was gathered together that it would be a Animal Crossing Wii U dlc pack for Mario Party and got my hopes up too.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

People believe that the new Zelda is an NX exclusive.

You know, all this talk about betrayal makes me realize...how fragile our egos are. We literally had the Nintendo World Championships two days ago. Like really? They "betrayed" you? They hate you? They spite you? Can we possibly tune it down just a pinch?

Nintendo doesn't hate us. They don't know us.

 

[vareon]

Tough year, Nintendo. They have to work with what little they have and it ain't pretty. Better luck next year.

 

[xaszatm]

Only Nintendo could put on such an unfocused, lacklustre show then have their fans say they feel sorry for the CEO as if he isn't responsible for the direction the company is going in - while he apologises to them and promises to do better for the hundredth time. Bizarre.

Why did they release the n3DS, again?

Only Sony could get gamers drooling like idiots by announcing a game that should have come out seven years ago, a trailer that gives us no information about what in will entail, and a fucking kickstarter. See, anything sounds horrible when you twist it right.

 

[Mat-triX]

Wow, is there really nothing else? I think I have like 20 games for it and more coming.

Ya, i've bought more games for the Wii U than Gamecube...and I only have a Gamecube that generation, and i'm a Multiplatform owner now.

 

[Albo]

Should've showed 2017/2018 stuff like Sony did

Seriously people, calm down. Next year Sony's conference will bore because it'll mostly be a repeat of this conference. Same games, new trailers.

Nintendo will be at the part of the cycle where they have brand new stuff to tease/show.

It's a cycle.



As long as they keep making the best games, of course.

Not really. Only about 4 of the 15+ games shown at their conf are likely releasing after E3 2016, the others have late 2015/1st half 2016 dates. But I agree nintendo should have a very strong showing next year.

 

[KAP151]

Nintendo doesn't hate us. They don't know us.

Im starting to think that they dont even know what industry they are in anymore.

Mind boggling how out of touch they are.

 

[Scum]

Back from March's Dena announcement



Also, from May's investor meeting Q&A



I suppose this means that, around November, it'll be launched. Beginning of November: first details at the investor meeting, announcement alongside the investor meeting, official launch a few days later.

There's a Board of Directors meeting in ten days, isn't there?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

This "they moved everything to NX" talk is reminding me of pre Wii U when there was nothing coming out for the Wii and everybody assumed it was because they were saving everything for the Wii U launch.

Then came E3 2012.

Yeah agreeing with gonzo here.. 2spooky4me

 

[Scum]

I believe it is, yes. I'm really surprised there were no details about it or any of the mobile titles in the event today, especially with Reggie's talk at the beginning referencing them.

We'll have to wait until October, it seems.

 

[CronoShot]

I feel like NX needs to be a complete reboot for Nintendo. Ditch the Wii name, ditch Miis, Amiibos, Wiimotes, etc. Start from scratch, and actually talk to third parties to see what it will take to get them on board, and most of all, make sure their inevitable gimmick accentuates the console and won't get in the way like the Wii and Wii U. And for the love of god, put some adequate power in there. That's like half of the third party problem right there.

But after the slap in the face that was Metroid and Animal Crossing today, I am confident Nintendo has no clue what consumers (or third party developers) want from them. They refuse to acknowledge the fact they are indeed competing with (and losing horribly to) Microsoft and Sony.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Im starting to think that they dont even know what industry they are in anymore.

Mind boggling how out of touch they are.

Oh they know what industry they're in. They're now in the toy industry in which they make amiibos and fast and cheap games to attach them to so they can maximize short term profits.

 

[Highwind]

Lets not be ridiculous here, there is no point in trying to blame outside forces for the way this has Event crashed and burned (like blaming Sony killing it with their presentation or Square Enix).

The simple fact remains that people didn't want what Nintendo was presenting in the Digital Event. They didn't want a four (three?) swords inspired Zelda spin off title at E3, they didn't want an amiibo focused Animal Crossing game for the Wii U at E3, they didn't want a Metroid spin off at E3 nor did they want a Star Fox that has "primitive" graphics when compared to the titles shown yesterday at E3. There is no doubt that these games will be fun to play, but presenting them at an event as big as E3 was careless and inappropriate and has now damaged the relationship with their core base.

What the core wanted was more info on Zelda Wii U, what they wanted was a proper Wii U Animal Crossing game like City Folk, what they wanted was F-Zero, what they wanted was a full Metroid title and not a spin off. Nintendo didn't offer that but instead presented spin off titles to said franchises. It's as simple as that, the core base wanted titles Nintendo didn't present and they are understandably upset at what is being offered, as is their right as a consumer of Nintendo products.

I watched the Digital Event going in with 0 expectations because frankly this is what I predicted would happen. Nintendo messed up really badly with the Wii U and it's gimmick and it's showing in the abandonment of 3rd parties and the constant delays. The Wii U eShop is abysmal and content is not being delivered at a rate the base would like (which comes as a consequence of trying to support two platforms with different architecture).

Nintendo shouldn't go 3rd party but they really need to change how they approach their hardware platforms and pleasing whatever base is left after today. It not only does the NX need to be more developer friendly like the PS4 but it needs to be simple. Nobody gives a fuck about the damn gamepad or it's second screen, most of the games on the platform can function just fine without it. People are perfectly fine gaming with something like the Pro Controller.

People say "Well Nintendo tried going the traditional route and it didn't work" but that isn't entirely correct. Since the N64 there has been constant roadblocks for developers to get their games onto the platform that it simply isn't worth investing extra money to support their platforms. Motion, Cartridges, Mini CD discs all hurt the consoles chances at coming back. Motion did prove to be a success for them, but now people have moved onto mobile. They are not going to buy a dedicated console with another gimmick when they can game on a mobile phone. The core won't mind if the Pro Controller is the standard used, just so long as you deliver on great content exclusive to that platform.

Not catering to the core left on your Wii U platform backfired epically today, so Iwata really needs to LISTEN and learn from this, but I don't expect them to. I expect the same mistakes that landed them in the shit.

 

[Oregano]

Yeah agreeing with gonzo here.. 2spooky4me

The difference being that they hopefully will just be making one set of software instead of scrambling from console->handheld->console.