Well they have to be working on something lol.
Iwata tweets about the Digital Event reactions.
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Well they have to be working on something lol.
And Super Mario Maker, Smash Wii U, Super Mario 3D World, Splatoon, the entirety of the Nintendo World Champions fly in the face of this "fact". They don't know you. The NWC was a huge advertisement for Super Mario Maker. And. It. Worked. Yes, there Digital Event was ok/good. Yes, it could have been a lot better. That's it. I'm getting madder and madder looking at this thread because of all the clear over-hyperbole and outright lies people are feeding themselves here.
Well said.
The dev cycles are aligned slightly different this time around.
Skyward Sword launched in 2011, this won't be an issue this time around, meaning Zelda U at launch.
Retro Studios' game should be out within the first year of the system's launch, instead of 2 years after as on Wii U. Seeing how DKCR release holiday 2010.
Same with EAD Tokyo; Galaxy 2 was in 2010 / 3D Land in 2011. Naturally their next big thing comes out holiday 2013. But now, they'll have the next big Mario game ready for launch window.
Do people even use their brains anymore?
I stated before the conference began that Nintendo are the only publishers where I keep praying for it to not suck and I think this showing demonstrates why that is. Having thought into it, Nintendo is in the unfortunate position that because of them being the only ones who are really supporting their own hardware, some of these years are bound to be bad by default. We've had two years of pretty damn solid games that were all memorable quality games; even earlier this year we got some fantastic experiences on this thing and this year we're still getting Xenoblade, Yoshi, Star Fox and Mario Maker. There's no doubt in my mind that Wii U still has a solid year just in terms of quality exclusives so I'm still excited for what's in store this year. The last two years of Wii U has brought me nothing but joy.
But beyond that there's not much Nintendo would have to show for it and there's no way Nintendo can crunch this kind of continuous performance on their own throughout the years. Making games takes time. If Nintendo has a knock-out conference one year, they have just as much of a chance to have a faltering one the next one because they've just run out of steam.
If they had the content this year would have been great because the format still suits it. But this was one of those years where they clearly had to take a breather, and it sucks too because it started off on such a high note with the NWC, Earthbound and Star Fox lead-ins, the former of which sold Super Mario Maker to me in every single way.
I'm less angry and more just bummed. That final Mario Maker-style segment would have worked beautifully to wrap up a good conference but instead it just feels awkward and kind of place.
But beyond that there's not much Nintendo would have to show for it and there's no way Nintendo can crunch this kind of continuous performance on their own throughout the years. Making games takes time. If Nintendo has a knock-out conference one year, they have just as much of a chance to have a faltering one the next one because they've just run out of steam.
If they had the content this year would have been great because the format still suits it. But this was one of those years where they clearly had to take a breather, and it sucks too because it started off on such a high note with the NWC, Earthbound and Star Fox lead-ins, the former of which sold Super Mario Maker to me in every single way.
I'm less angry and more just bummed. That final Mario Maker-style segment would have worked beautifully to wrap up a good conference but instead it just feels awkward and kind of place.
Jawmuncher
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Is Devils third really a 2016 game?
Seriously, have they ever shown Devil's Third in an actual direct? It's gonna bomb so hard.
Give it a week, a month... Nintendo fans are emotional.
Announcements at E3 are never going to full reach expectations, but once the games you mentioned come out, people will play them and be back on the bandwagon. It's why we love Nintendo, it's why we would hate for them to let us down.
No. It's releasing this August.
HeavyMetalLover91
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Everyone saying that Zelda is still releasing on Wii U, possible, yes, but just a friendly reminder: Twilight Princess, a game designed to launch on a console that did over 20 million, was delayed to also be a launch title for the Wii.
Do you seriously think that Nintendo is gonna let a delayed, and allegedly ambitious game, release on a system that did half those sales? Please.
Do you seriously think that Nintendo is gonna let a delayed, and allegedly ambitious game, release on a system that did half those sales? Please.
TheSlySoul
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The sad truth. Skylanders got 10 minutes!
Calamari41
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Nintendo has a great lineup coming between now and early 2016, but anybody could have pre-screened that Direct and told them that they would get ripped to shreds if they went with it. It's as simple as that.
It's marketing. And they failed.
CentralScrutinizer
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Oh I'm sorry. I'm happy you wanted metroid federation force, animal crossing amiibo festival, and a half-baked star fox game. I guess Nintendo knows you. But they don't know me. I'm one of the rare people who was extremely excited for an animal crossing game on Wii U. Animal crossing has never been anything but mostly the same game recycled over and over and I was okay with that and STILL excited for that. Even Nintendo managed to eff that up.
I mean, they're out of touch, definitely. Like, no question. But that also means they don't do a lot of the annoying standard game industry crap like release FPSs every year, release graphics-only "games" like Ryse and The Order, or release unfinished works, i.e., games that aren't worth buying whatsoever until the patches, updates, and dlc.
They also, despite what the fanboys say, care about their customers. CEO halved his salary twice I think because they were messing up so bad with the Wii U.
TreasureHunterG
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Ok, we can be friends.
If you said you want Iwata to step down at the end, your post would be perfection.
I'm a huge Nintendo Fan but that was a super disappointing presentation. Nothing they showed me made me excited to own a N3DS and WiiU. Not feeling the new Paper/3D RPG and Animal Party Crossing felt like a slap to the face. Mario Maker and Yoshi looked cool but we've known about them for a while already.
The Smash Direct from a few days ago was great. This show was a complete 180.
The Smash Direct from a few days ago was great. This show was a complete 180.
Version 3.0
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If only. This has been the pattern for Nintendo consoles since the N64. They haven't properly supported the back half of a console's life since the SNES.
Take the N64, for example. You know how many games Nintendo released for it in 2001, while waiting for the Gamecube launch? Two. And that's counting a Rare game, Conker's Bad Fur Day. The only one Nintendo did themselves was Dr. Mario 64.
And third parties didn't exactly fill the gap: 8 games were released all year (in NA, Japan got a couple more, EU got 3 total).
...and it still was released on GameCube too. I don't think you're presenting some controversial theory here.
The Event itself was pretty meh, but I don't feel betrayed or any of the insane hyperbole going on in the threads.
I'm getting a pretty great looking StarFox, playing Mother 1, getting a pretty neat Monster Hunter lite in Federation Force, getting a mini Sims/SimCity hybrid in Happy Home Maker, and there's still Wooly World and Mario Maker this year.
Not to mention a new Mario RPG, new Fire Emblem, SMT x FE, Fatal Frame, and Devil's Third.
It's a transition year. Reggie said it himself, Nintendo's transforming. They made the best out of what they had and that's it.
It's just difficult to not feel completely disappointed when you compare it to Sony's conference where basically every dream came true short of PSO2 and Half Life 3 releasing.
I'm getting a pretty great looking StarFox, playing Mother 1, getting a pretty neat Monster Hunter lite in Federation Force, getting a mini Sims/SimCity hybrid in Happy Home Maker, and there's still Wooly World and Mario Maker this year.
Not to mention a new Mario RPG, new Fire Emblem, SMT x FE, Fatal Frame, and Devil's Third.
It's a transition year. Reggie said it himself, Nintendo's transforming. They made the best out of what they had and that's it.
It's just difficult to not feel completely disappointed when you compare it to Sony's conference where basically every dream came true short of PSO2 and Half Life 3 releasing.
Jawmuncher
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For the U.S. As well? Excellent.
360 was plagued with hardware issues/RROD.
Also, that was one year, and the Wii was...special.
This is two or more. NX in 2016 means it'll be out at least two years ahead of the others. Xbox One and PS4 were out in 2013, and they sure as hell won't be replaced before five years are up. But Wii U would be replaced after 4 years, according to this scenario.
Late 2017 is more acceptable and closer to the 360 situation, but I still find it troubling.
Oh NA. That's still TBA I think. 2015 still.
Version 3.0
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Releases in auhust in Japan and Europe at least.
No, its never been in a Direct. Puzzling decision.
Honestly, some of the reactions I'm reading are so OTT it isn't true. I can understand being disappointed with the Direct, but this is seriously not the be all end all of Nintendo. Did you forget Ryu is in Smash Bros now? I don't care if that wasn't technically part of the Direct, it's part and parcel of the E3 experience. The NWC? The Treehouse streams? The Direct is but one part of the overall E3 showing but not only are people painting it as their whole E3 showing, but literally a reflection of the company as a whole. That's just madness.
Whatever. During the whole run up to this I cared for only one thing, Super Mario Maker, so for me they delivered on that one thing. But still, I can only laugh at talk of betrayal.
Whatever. During the whole run up to this I cared for only one thing, Super Mario Maker, so for me they delivered on that one thing. But still, I can only laugh at talk of betrayal.
blast processed
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The most a Zelda game sold was 7.6 million that was Ocarina of Time. So yes i think they would.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Oh, come on. They had a huge reel showing games coming out. Nintendo's presentation was lacklustre with no ambition or surprises. Their CEO basically apologised for it! It's fairly clear their focus is now selling plastic toys with games based around them. How disappointing.
GamFly said August 28th in NA
It's a complete game. Nintendo just thought it was a better idea to drip the content because reasons (padding weak summer/getting new players familiar/take your pick.)
Kabuki Waq
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Feels like Wii u is on its way out and it never got to exploit its full potential.
Atleast thats the vibe i got.
Atleast thats the vibe i got.
Warm Machine
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What was the budget for that game?
Jawmuncher
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Oh I actually completely agree. The timing of the presentation was done poorly. I think the individual skits themselves were well done but they were edited poorly and at the wrong time. All of these announcements could have been shown during the Nintendo World Championships and it would have been better received. They should have had Star Fox skit open up the NWC, they should have shown various trailers between rounds of the competition, culminating in Super Mario Maker. It definitely would have helped Nitnendo's E3. I don't think they did a bad job. They just fumbled the landing (i.e. the Digital Event)
Are you kidding? None of the games I wanted showed up. No Style Savvy 3, no Rythym Heaven: The Best. But I had things that I liked: Star Fox (I'm sorry you don't like the game, but I think it looks incredible (please feel free to insult me because I dare like it)), Mario and Luigi/Paper Mario Crossover, Fire Emblem Fates, and #FE.
I'm sorry you didn't like this E3, I truly am. I did. And this thread's continued "NINTENDO BETRAYED ME" narrative honestly hurts me because it makes me feel like I'm not a Nintendo fan because I didn't hate it.
Twilight Princess sold about ten millions I think?
No. There's hyperbole everywhere in this thread that it's ridiculous. But it was dull and the games shown were either games that were shown previously and games that no one has an interest in. There were a couple of never before seen stuff, but it's often overlooked or ignored entirely.
Pretty much. The moment the Direct started..and then the hyperbole, I just closed the tab and focused on watching. No point in "discussing".
Games releasing soon, games releasing this holiday season, games releasing before next summer is what I wanted and what I got.
I've also kept repeating the fact that people whined last E3 at no Majora's Mask 3D, then Nintendo announced it 5 months later.
But I guess it's more exciting knowing now that something might be releasing late 2017, than just focusing in a much closer future...to then make threads because they haven't shown anything since (like FExSMT back then).
It's amazing how they still don't understand their own userbase. It would have been better to say they didn't have anything to show then let people believe they had something to show and don't. Showing botched spin-offs of loved franchises while neglecting the core franchise itself, is just adding insult to injury.
Yeah, I think they screwed up spreading announcements across three days here. Earthbound Beginnings and the Smash stuff (if it hadn't leaked) would have helped a bit with this presentation. Heck, the Sony tradition, they could have shown a single picture of Ness and wrote "Earthbound 4" on top of it and left people hyped for something they never work on and never release.
Gamer79
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Not much. Really boring
I agree really. Taken on it's own merits the Digital Event was pretty naff, but what made Nintendo so great last year wasn't just that - it was the user experience and all the sub-reveals and smaller events and happenings. In those terms, Nintendo are still providing an overall great experience, and even though the "future" outlook isn't all that stellar in this showing, every circumstance that could display the readily available Nintendo experience and the things we've been looking forward to already has made for an entertaining overall show that still elevates Nintendo's E3 presence to me over most others.
Last year Nintendo made it interesting to follow alongside even as an outsider and the same thing is happening here. It's a lesser traditional showing but the overall experience is still enjoyable since it ends up convincing me on many of these titles. By those terms Nintendo is still providing an enjoyable show.
Spieler Eins
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3DS is where the efforts went after the Wii support died. One can only hope that NX kills off the idea of completely separated platforms already to prevent another reveal like 2012 and instead gives us 2010.
castaction
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i agree with you , im really looking foward for NX but they have some big work to do
There's was just nothing to get excited for at their conference. It was a disappointment. Out of everything shown, I think the only thing that piqued my interest was Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam and Xenoblade's release date. Of course Yoshi and Fire Emblem Fates looks great, but they were already announced and have had quite a lot of footage shown. (I could care less about Star Fox).
crazyrabbits
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Stockholm Syndrome is still a thing, unfortunately.
No two ways about it, this was terrible.
And I still saw Fire Emblem Fates, #FE, Star Fox, Paper Mario/Mario & Luigi, Super Mario Maker, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Yoshi's Wolly World, Yokai Watch, and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. Clearly, one game based completely out of Amiibos means that ALL games are just about Amiibos.
And I loved Sony's conference. It was one of the best hands down. But it is so easy to make any things seem bad when you twist a word. I just showed you how.
The biggest error for me in that Direct was the Yoshi segment. It was cute to see the models but we've already seen a good chunk of this game, it's almost out (in EU and JPN) and it didn't really add anything to what we know. Would have been better as a video in a game specific Direct or on the E3 website like the Developer videos they had a couple of E3s ago. Didn't help that by that point people were already grinding their axes.
blast processed
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7.2 on the Wii 1.2 on GC
