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[Baron Aloha]

Just because the kid lied before doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth this time. Everyone on this forum has lied. That doesn't make everyone here a compulsive liar. Besides, the mom probably put him up to it and lets be real here for a second...if you are a little kid and your parents tell you to do something, even lie, you are probably going to do it. That doesn't make the kid a bad person. He was just doing what he was told.

It's obvious that the mom is a money grubbing theif but the family has gone on record saying they aren't interested in a settlement here. I don't know.... but given the family's history of going for the payday.... the fact that they didn't go for one this time gives me the feeling that something *may* have actually happened.

 

[heidern]

Just because the kid lied before doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth this time. Everyone on this forum has lied. That doesn't make everyone here a compulsive liar. Besides, the mom probably put him up to it and lets be real here for a second...if you are a little kid and your parents tell you to do something, even lie, you are probably going to do it. That doesn't make the kid a bad person. He was just doing what he was told.

As mentioned earlier, there is a difference between lying, and lying under oath. A HUGE HUGE difference. Also, if the mother put the kid up to it last time, who's to say she isn't putting him up to it this time?

 

[xsarien]

It's obvious that the mom is a money grubbing theif but the family has gone on record saying they aren't interested in a settlement here. I don't know.... but given the family's history of going for the payday.... the fact that they didn't go for one this time gives me the feeling that something *may* have actually happened.

And you believe them?

 

[Pimpwerx]

OJ drugged and raped those kids. MJ drove the Bronco. Case closed. PEACE.

 

[duckroll]

OJ drugged and raped those kids. MJ drove the Bronco. Case closed. PEACE.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Drinky Crow]

No matter what the outcome, MJ is one creepy, fucked up, porcelain clown-thing of a man.

 

[Baron Aloha]

As mentioned earlier, there is a difference between lying, and lying under oath. A HUGE HUGE difference. Also, if the mother put the kid up to it last time, who's to say she isn't putting him up to it this time?

And I'm saying that in this case it doesn't really matter that it was under oath. It was a little kid. Do you really think he fully understood the ramifications of his testimony and how important that oath is? I don't think he was mature enough to understand it myself.

What would be her motive behind putting him up to it this time? If she wanted money she could have just extorted MJ like the other family did. Besides, MJ was already buying her tons of stuff (a house, clothes, vacations, etc). Why risk losing all that and ending up with nothing? Not only that, but unlike before, the kid is old enough now to understand what these accusations could do to MJ. Why would he lie and try to get MJ locked up (especially after MJ took such good care of him)? Not to mention all of scrutiny he's receiving. While it's certainly possible that he is making everything up, I personally don't think that is the case. He's got too much to lose and not a whole lot to gain.

What about some of the evidence that has been presented? What about the Jesus Juice? The secrect loft in MJ's bedroom? The cameras and alarms rigged up and down the hallway leading to MJ's bedroom? The photos (of children!!) and videos recovered from MJ's house that had the kid's fingerprints all over them? That's not the kind of stuff anyone would leave out in the open. MJ most-likely showed him where those materials were kept. I think its very unlikely that the kid just happened to stumble on to them because I highly doubt that someone as private as MJ would just let a kid search around his house and pry into all of his belongings.

and you believe them?

Everyone has lied. Just because he lied before that doesn't mean that he couldn't be telling the truth now. I'm not saying we should definitely believe him. I'm saying we shouldn't exclude the possibility that he may be telling the truth.

 

[SolidSnakex]

And I'm saying that in this case it doesn't really matter that it was under oath. It was a little kid. Do you really think he fully understood the ramifications of his testimony and how important that oath is? I don't think he was mature enough to understand it myself.

What would be her motive behind putting him up to it this time? If she wanted money she could have just extorted MJ like the other family did. Besides, MJ was already buying her tons of stuff (a house, clothes, vacations, etc). Why risk losing all that and ending up with nothing? Not only that, but unlike before, the kid is old enough now to understand what these accusations could do to MJ. Why would he lie and try to get MJ locked up (especially after MJ took such good care of him)? Not to mention all of scrutiny he's receiving. While it's certainly possible that he is making everything up, I personally don't think that is the case. He's got too much to lose and not a whole lot to gain.

She's had her kids lie before. She coached them on what to say during her JC Penny thing. So why not here where she can get more money in the long run?

Also things weren't as good as some reports have said. MJ hired some investigator after that documentary aired because the mom was getting upset that she wasn't getting any money for the appearances her family made on it, while MJ got a couple million out of it. She apparently threatened to do something similar to the 92 case, which she knew quite a bit of.

The whole backstory on this family is really bad. There was even an article a few days ago talking about how the moms lawyer told Larry King that she wants money.

 

[El_Victor]

(Very, veery offtopic but, from what MV is that avatar from SolidSnakex?)

 

[DarienA]

No matter what the outcome, MJ is one creepy, fucked up, porcelain clown-thing of a man.

Verdict for the above charges? Guilty.

 

[The Chosen One]

The trial is far from over. But it looks like the prosecution is going to have an uphill battle at least initially. All their character witnesses seem weak, so the physical evidence is going to have to be more compelling. They'll get into physical evidence over the coming weeks.

 

[marsomega]

Everyone has lied. Just because he lied before that doesn't mean that he couldn't be telling the truth now. I'm not saying we should definitely believe him. I'm saying we shouldn't exclude the possibility that he may be telling the truth.

No no no no. This isn't a simple matter of him lying before. The brothers primary testimony was that he watched MJ molest his brother. The reason why that all went to hell in a hand basket was because the lawyer pointed out a critical flaw in his testimony which is suppose to be a direct account of the molestation.

Mesereau asked the boy Tuesday about an alarm system in Jackson’s house that alerts the singer when anyone is in the hall outside his bedroom.

“So the two times you claim you saw Michael Jackson touching your brother in bed, that alarm went off?” asked Mesereau.

“Yes,” said the boy.

When the boy testified about the alleged molestation on Monday he did not mention any bell or alarm system and said his brother slept through both incidents, snoring at one point.

He's account of MJ molesting his brother is out the window.

 

[soundwave05]

The trial is far from over. But it looks like the prosecution is going to have an uphill battle at least initially. All their character witnesses seem weak, so the physical evidence is going to have to be more compelling. They'll get into physical evidence over the coming weeks.

The problem is reports say the prosecution doesn't have a whole lot in the way of physical evidence.

They found none of the boy's DNA when they searched Jackson's room.

Right now it looks like the worst thing they have on Jacko is the fact that he keeps girlie magazines in a suit case, which isn't consistent behavior for a pedophile anyway.

I think Sneddon, who's retiring, is simply hellbent on getting something on Jackson, especailly after Michael Jackson targeted him a song in 1995.

 

[SolidSnakex]

The funniest thing they got against the kid during yesterdays testimony was him saying that Jackson kept his family confined where they couldn't find any clocks at all. He then admitted that he and his brother constantly ran around Neverland where there's no way they couldn't see this thing

That E! show they're doing on it is hilarious.

 

[Vormund]

:lol

 

[Ecrofirt]

The funniest thing they got against the kid during yesterdays testimony was him saying that Jackson kept his family confined where they couldn't find any clocks at all. He then admitted that he and his brother constantly ran around Neverland where there's no way they couldn't see this thing

That E! show they're doing on it is hilarious.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Shinobi]

It's obvious that the mom is a money grubbing theif but the family has gone on record saying they aren't interested in a settlement here.

Didn't Kobe Bryant's accuser say this as well?

The funniest thing they got against the kid during yesterdays testimony was him saying that Jackson kept his family confined where they couldn't find any clocks at all. He then admitted that he and his brother constantly ran around Neverland where there's no way they couldn't see this thing

:lol :lol :lol

 

[saelz8]

 

[Alcibiades]

now here's an interesting take:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22015-2005Mar9.html

 

[borghe]

now here's an interesting take:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22015-2005Mar9.html

Harder to figure out is the behavior of the alleged victim's mother, who handed over her sick kid to sleep in the bedroom of a previously accused child molester.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Manics]

I've said all along we should wait for the evidence to be heard in court before trying him in public opinion polls. Noone knows the facts other than the tidbits we're given through the press. Everyone was willing to convict Mikey after the news leaked about porn magazines and children's underwear at the ranch.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

now here's an interesting take:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22015-2005Mar9.html

i always found the whole 'voice ' thing really weird. he obviously puts it on, which makes you wonder how much he puts on of his whole 'weirdness' thing for either a) heaps of attention due to his craziness or b) a bit of a laugh..

i remember seeing something aout how he did that 'oxygen chamber' thing as a bit of a joke, for publicity. i always wonder what it would be like if suddenly he tlaked in his normal voice like that character playing him on the simpsons

 

[Lucky Forward]

now here's an interesting take:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22015-2005Mar9.html

Either Jackson is a complete lunatic who slept with young boys and didn't fondle them or he's a complete lunatic who slept with young boys and did.

That sums up the situation rather nicely.

One thought to consider about Jackson himself is whether he is much less weird than meets the eye. Could it be that, like Saddam Hussein's WMD bluff, the whole freak show is a stunt that's gotten out of hand?

But what if Jackson is, in reality, having some sly fun with Bashir and by extension all celebrity journalists hellbent on getting the answers to such piffling questions?What if the whole persona is a scam under the heading of The Emperor's New Nose? After all, Jackson has shown plenty of business smarts in his time. The fey Peter Pan who tells Bashir his favorite pastimes are climbing trees and having water balloon fights was still canny enough to buy the Beatles' lucrative song catalogue.

I've heard this theory before, that Jackson is really a P.T. Barnum style showman who deliberately created and maintains a larger-than-life, eccentric persona. However, I really doubt any sane individual would repeatedly have their face carved on by surgeons until it resembled a ghoulish anime character, just for the sake of creating an attention-getting public image. I don't think his bizarre look is doing anything for his record sales.

 

[psycho_snake]

The funniest thing they got against the kid during yesterdays testimony was him saying that Jackson kept his family confined where they couldn't find any clocks at all. He then admitted that he and his brother constantly ran around Neverland where there's no way they couldn't see this thing

That E! show they're doing on it is hilarious.

yeah I was watching it too :lol I couldnt stop laughing when I heard it.

I find it difficult that MJ would have done any of the things said so far.

Its obvious that the family is doing this for the money.

 

[ge-man]

I've heard this theory before, that Jackson is really a P.T. Barnum style showman who deliberately created and maintains a larger-than-life, eccentric persona. However, I really doubt any sane individual would repeatedly have their face carved on by surgeons until it resembled a ghoulish anime character, just for the sake of creating an attention-getting public image. I don't think his bizarre look is doing anything for his record sales.

I don't think you have to believe one while excluding the other. I believe there's a mixture of true eccentricism and showtime antics going with MJ.

 

[Deleted member 4784]

It's obvious that the mom is a money grubbing theif but the family has gone on record saying they aren't interested in a settlement here. I don't know.... but given the family's history of going for the payday.... the fact that they didn't go for one this time gives me the feeling that something *may* have actually happened.

The family going on the record saying that they aren't interested in a settlement means nothing. That's what the civil case is for. Assuming that Jackson is found guilty, this family will get more money out of him than they ever could have bargained for in a settlement.

And I'm saying that in this case it doesn't really matter that it was under oath. It was a little kid. Do you really think he fully understood the ramifications of his testimony and how important that oath is? I don't think he was mature enough to understand it myself.

Oh, come on! This kid has lied under oath once before already and you're telling me that he still doesn't have a basic understanding of the ramifications involved when giving false statements under penalty of perjury? IIRC, he's 14. How many of us at age 10 didn't have a basic understanding of this from seeing countless movies involving people swearing on the bible before giving testimony? Furthermore, you're simply justifying the fact that he did lie, which pretty much makes the point moot.

What would be her motive behind putting him up to it this time? If she wanted money she could have just extorted MJ like the other family did. Besides, MJ was already buying her tons of stuff (a house, clothes, vacations, etc). Why risk losing all that and ending up with nothing? Not only that, but unlike before, the kid is old enough now to understand what these accusations could do to MJ. Why would he lie and try to get MJ locked up (especially after MJ took such good care of him)? Not to mention all of scrutiny he's receiving. While it's certainly possible that he is making everything up, I personally don't think that is the case. He's got too much to lose and not a whole lot to gain.

Actually, MJ stopped buying this family tons of stuff and more or less wanted nothing more to do with them following the Bashir documentary. Also, the boy was growing up and it was only a matter of time before Michael became disinterested in him as a friend. They were losing what the "lifestyle" that they had grown accustomed to with Michael and they had everything to gain by making these accusations. The boy is far more credible now at 14 than he would be 4 years from now. This is a family of con artists -- I’m sure they understand the makings of a credible story.

What about some of the evidence that has been presented? What about the Jesus Juice? The secrect loft in MJ's bedroom? The cameras and alarms rigged up and down the hallway leading to MJ's bedroom? The photos (of children!!) and videos recovered from MJ's house that had the kid's fingerprints all over them? That's not the kind of stuff anyone would leave out in the open. MJ most-likely showed him where those materials were kept. I think its very unlikely that the kid just happened to stumble on to them because I highly doubt that someone as private as MJ would just let a kid search around his house and pry into all of his belongings.

I don't recall Michael having child pornography. I may have missed that...

The porn - The whole ranch was infested with kids, so it is only natural that eventually they would have come across it. Obviously, Jackson did take some measures to hide it by placing an alarm in the hallway of his room (so nobody would be in there without him knowing), but kids who had lived and been at the ranch for a few years were bound to have stumbled across it. If the porn was locked up in a safe then I would look at the situation differently, but it was in a suitcase hidden under a couch or something. Even if some of it was put in a safe, the defense could argue that Jackson took this measure later on after discovering that the kids had come across the pornography.

The "Jesus juice" - How many of us at age 13 didn't try to get into out parent's liquor supply? Maybe you were all absolute angels as kids, but even though I had no interest in alcohol, my friends and I still drank some wine once while my parent's were away on a vacation just because we thought it was cool/rebellious at the time. If the alcohol was in open view then the chances are likely that it was just a situation of Michael being negligent. The accuser's fingerprints being on the wine bottle only seems to reinforce this, as in the testimony the accuser claimed it was Michael who had forcefully given him the alcohol. The key piece of evidence missing in this testimony is a Coke can...

The alarms, etc. - As for the cameras and alarms, I do admit that is pretty damn odd; but if your whole life is spent in the public eye and your very lifestyle has become the subject of public scrutiny, wouldn't you be a little bit protective of the only private place you had left (that being your bedroom)? Also, if Michael kept porn locked up in a suitcase in his room, then the alarm could have been a protection measure so that kids wouldn't go in there un-supervised and get a hold of it.

I think that a lot of what goes on at Neverland is questionable, but I can think of just as many reasonable explanations as paranoid assumptive conclusions. This is what makes the testimony of the accuser and those substantiating him so paramount, because with little direct evidence relating to the events, this essentially comes down to how credible the accusations are.

 

[Xenon]

Actually, MJ stopped buying this family tons of stuff and more or less wanted nothing more to do with them following the Bashir documentary. Also, the boy was growing up and it was only a matter of time before Michael became disinterested in him as a friend.

WTF... MJ only likes em young. I find it amazing how many people go out of their way to defend this goofballs actions and then say "I wouldn't let my kids stay with him" Are the parents to blame. Hell yeah. But some parents do shit to their children that isn't right. That’s when the government has to step in. I'd just be happy if they keep kids away from him. Its obvious that he has some need from children that just isn't right for a grown man to have.

This dude should be prevented from being around kids, PERIOD.

Its amazing what people will overlook for a mega star. If somebody would have nipped this shit in the bud and knocked some sense into him 15 years ago, he might be actually have remained somewhat human.

 

[android]

Jackson's actions today prove to me his guilt. Back pains my ass. Try not wanting to hear your accuser point the finger at you, because you know he is right. All my opinion though.

 

[SolidSnakex]

WTF... MJ only likes em young. I find it amazing how many people go out of their way to defend this goofballs actions and then say "I wouldn't let my kids stay with him" Are the parents to blame. Hell yeah. But some parents do shit to their children that isn't right. That’s when the government has to step in. I'd just be happy if they keep kids away from him. Its obvious that he has some need from children that just isn't right for a grown man to have.

This dude should be prevented from being around kids, PERIOD.

Its amazing what people will overlook for a mega star. If somebody would have nipped this shit in the bud and knocked some sense into him 15 years ago, he might be actually have remained somewhat human.

The guy is extremely weird, we've already established that. But that doesn't mean he's molesting kids. People are defending him from what seem to be false charges from a family that has a long history of doing just that.

 

[borghe]

But some parents do shit to their children that isn't right. That’s when the government has to step in. I'd just be happy if they keep kids away from him. Its obvious that he has some need from children that just isn't right for a grown man to have.

You are crossing a VERY fine line here. It is amazing what some parents do to their kids, but it is even more amazing what some people actually think is or should be illegal. I'm not saying IMHO (emphasis) what Michael does isn't weird or borderline creepy... what I am saying though is I don't think it is criminal, and I honestly believe it won't "screw the kids up".

Let's face it.. we only think it is weird because we don't understand it. We don't understand him. That is why many of us "hope" he is guilty and "hope" he is a pedo, to put some explanation on it that we understand.

But kids? Man, kids don't think about that shit. Kids don't think "umm. this is weird I shouldn't be doing this." Why? Because they are not thinkingt about the bad stuff that COULD happen (not necessarily with Mike but in general). They are just seeing it as cool that they are hanging with michael jackson.. going cool places.. having the time of their life. Provided he didn't molest them (which I don't think he did), not only will they not come out of something like that damaged, but it will probably be one of the greatest memories of their life.

I am not letting him getting away with something in my mind because he is a megastar. I am affording him the same trust that I would afford any other human being. I believe he didn't do it because despite all of the crying wolf, there has never been any physical evidence. that really says a lot to me.

so then why wouldn't I let him spend the night alone with my daughter? because even if there is a 1 in 100000000 chance that he is a pedo, that is still a chance I am not willing to take. And for reference, that is probably the same chance that any other person would end up being a pedo also... it isn't because he is michael jackson that I would have a problem with it.. it's because he is a stranger who when it comes down to it I know nothing about.

anyway, I started to ramble there.. I just wanted to attack that "the government should step in." If it is criminal, yes, the government should step in.. but if it is just he is weird and we can't figure out why he is weird and he kind of creeps us out.. well.. the government should stay out of it... being weird isn't a crime so let's stop acting all high and mighty like it is...

 

[Xenon]

But you can't write off everything on the parents and kids being kids. If the dude gave children alcohol, that’s enough in my book to have his ass thrown in jail and have a restraining order put on him to prevent him associating with young children.

 

[Deleted member 4784]

WTF... MJ only likes em young. I find it amazing how many people go out of their way to defend this goofballs actions and then say "I wouldn't let my kids stay with him" Are the parents to blame. Hell yeah. But some parents do shit to their children that isn't right. That’s when the government has to step in. I'd just be happy if they keep kids away from him. Its obvious that he has some need from children that just isn't right for a grown man to have.

This dude should be prevented from being around kids, PERIOD.

Its amazing what people will overlook for a mega star. If somebody would have nipped this shit in the bud and knocked some sense into him 15 years ago, he might be actually have remained somewhat human.

How am I overlooking anything? What it looks like to me is that too many people are overlooking the glaring lack of direct evidence presented by the prosecution. I'm just pointing out that a great deal of what is being presented alone can be refuted or explained from a rational perspective; which makes the discredit of ANY testimony in this case particularly damaging to the prosecution’s efforts. What this will come down to is a case of credibility, which the family of the accuser is exceptionally lacking. If the prosecution has any hope of winning this case, then this occurrence (whether mistake or lie) can’t be repeated again; especially not from the accuser. Jackson is innocent until proven guilty and there appears to already be a great deal of doubt present as to the claims and intentions of the accuser and his family.

 

[Shinobi]

WTF... MJ only likes em young. I find it amazing how many people go out of their way to defend this goofballs actions and then say "I wouldn't let my kids stay with him" Are the parents to blame. Hell yeah. But some parents do shit to their children that isn't right. That’s when the government has to step in. I'd just be happy if they keep kids away from him. Its obvious that he has some need from children that just isn't right for a grown man to have.

This dude should be prevented from being around kids, PERIOD.

Its amazing what people will overlook for a mega star. If somebody would have nipped this shit in the bud and knocked some sense into him 15 years ago, he might be actually have remained somewhat human.

Overlook what? Sharing a bed with kids? If that's all he's done, and the kids and their parents are comfortable with such arrangments, then that's on them. Until the law says otherwise, that's legal and straight. I would not be comfortable with such an arrangment as a parent, so my kid would never set foot there. But that doesn't mean he's a criminal, or even peverted.

 

[borghe]

I see no one mentioned yesterday that the accuser said that previous to the February 2003 interview with bashir that NOTHING ever happened between him and jackson and they were best friends. It was only AFTER the interview and airing that michael started mastrubating him...

So let me get this straight.. for months before the interview, jackson is a saint. then after the interview airs and everyone comes down on jackson for sharing his bed with children, THEN he finds it the opportune time to start molesting them?????

and none of you "jacskon is guilty" guys finds a flaw in this accusation???????????????

 

[DarienA]

I see no one mentioned yesterday that the accuser said that previous to the February 2003 interview with bashir that NOTHING ever happened between him and jackson and they were best friends. It was only AFTER the interview and airing that michael started mastrubating him...

So let me get this straight.. for months before the interview, jackson is a saint. then after the interview airs and everyone comes down on jackson for sharing his bed with children, THEN he finds it the opportune time to start molesting them?????

and none of you "jacskon is guilty" guys finds a flaw in this accusation???????????????

well...well... it could happen!

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

I find it strange that a kid that has been in the home of someone who is supposedly molesting him, has only experienced to accounts. I'm not sure if this is correct, the media said that the boy was in MJ house for atleast two years. Two years and only two accounts of molestation, also the accuser and his brother, don't seem to show any sign of traumatization. Michael Jackson as male is obviously pretty strange looking, to actually have someone that looks like Michael physically touching your private parts should fuck with your mind if your 14 years old.

I don't see how anyone believe what these kids are saying, when consider that they're mother had them lying about accusations of abuse from their father. She also had them participating in a scam against a major department store.

 

[soundwave05]

I see no one mentioned yesterday that the accuser said that previous to the February 2003 interview with bashir that NOTHING ever happened between him and jackson and they were best friends. It was only AFTER the interview and airing that michael started mastrubating him...

So let me get this straight.. for months before the interview, jackson is a saint. then after the interview airs and everyone comes down on jackson for sharing his bed with children, THEN he finds it the opportune time to start molesting them?????

and none of you "jacskon is guilty" guys finds a flaw in this accusation???????????????

Yup. The reason why the family can't claim abuse before the Bashir trial is because they already went on record saying none happened before, so now they're forced to say abuse some how happened afterwards.

I mean seriously, the whole thing sounds so far fetched its getting ridiculous when you think about the actual time lines.

Of all the kids at Neverland, he's going to abuse the one he went on national TV with and got a huge amount of flak for that Bashir interview?

Yeah right. More like this family was worried that their relationship with Jackson was falling apart after that interview and they wanted a big pay-day.

 

[borghe]

and has already been said... they don't want money from him? they don't want a settlement? Well then I sure as fuck better not see a civil suit, book deal, tour circuit, etc after the criminal trial is over with....

no, more like the mother realizes there is MUCH more money in it for her if she issues a criminal complaint, he is convicted, then goes after the civil suit and resulting interview scene.

what is really a crock of shit is that the mother is still going to see a payday on this even WHEN Michael is acquitted. She will likely still issue a civil suit, and even if that falls through (which one would hope it does) there is still all of the book deals telling her side of the story (without it being libel) and then when she comes clean and writes a book on how her life has been so hard and what drove her to do this etc...

so regardless she will still see plenty of money (unfortunately). hopefully many smart judicial figures out there will curb the amount she gets though.

 

[UltimateMarioMan]

I wish that suddenly in court this would happen...

MJ: "Ok I'm tired of this"
*MJ pulls off a mask like in Mission Impossible revealing he still looks like he did in the 80's*
*MJ turns to the kid accuser*
MJ: "You can go home now. The jokes over"
Kid(With really deep New York accent): Ok see you later.
*Everyone in court goes 0_o*

 

[DarienA]

I wish that suddenly in court this would happen...

MJ: "Ok I'm tired of this"
*MJ pulls off a mask like in Mission Impossible revealing he still looks like he did in the 80's*
*MJ turns to the kid accuser*
MJ: "You can go home now. The jokes over"
Kid(With really deep New York accent): Ok see you later.
*Everyone in court goes 0_o*

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[The Chosen One]

I see no one mentioned yesterday that the accuser said that previous to the February 2003 interview with bashir that NOTHING ever happened between him and jackson and they were best friends. It was only AFTER the interview and airing that michael started mastrubating him...

So let me get this straight.. for months before the interview, jackson is a saint. then after the interview airs and everyone comes down on jackson for sharing his bed with children, THEN he finds it the opportune time to start molesting them?????

and none of you "jacskon is guilty" guys finds a flaw in this accusation???????????????

I've been saying the exact same thing ever since the Grand Jury testimony was leaked. The timeline makes NO sense whatsoever.

According to the D.A., MJ is a classic pedophile and has committed similar acts before as far back as '93. Yet MJ has the kid in his house for TWO years with absolutely nothing happening? This dangerous Pedophile is a perfect saint for two years UNTIL the whole world knows he likes sharing his bed with children? Then in a fit of rage he decides to molest the very boy that's seen all around the world on TV even though he was able to control himself for TWO years? Remember he's supposedly molesting this kid while at the same time trying to ship him off to South America because he's worried about possible allegations????

Personally the story just doesn't work for me. The DA has a HUGE uphill battle. As others have mentioned, it's all about the money for the accuser's family. Everybody said Kobe Bryant's Accuser wasn't in it for the money because she went to trial. Look what happened... In this day and age, going to trial doesn't mean shit. It just means the victim is capable of getting a bigger pay day via Civil suits, book or TV deals. If MJ is smart this time, hopefully he won't back down in the civil suit (which will undoubtedly come eventually).

 

[Xenon]

Overlook what? Sharing a bed with kids? If that's all he's done, and the kids and their parents are comfortable with such arrangments, then that's on them. Until the law says otherwise, that's legal and straight. I would not be comfortable with such an arrangment as a parent, so my kid would never set foot there. But that doesn't mean he's a criminal, or even peverted.

There is no reason he should be setting up a pedo palace to lure kids and their famlies there so he can sleep with children. I see no reason for a grown man to need that sort of intimate relationship with a child(mostly young boys). I do have a major problem with these greedy fuck excuse for parents offering up their children up to ride on the MJ gravy-train. But I don't care if they approve or not because the child is one who is being exposed to possible danger. Someone said he wouldn't let his kid go because even if there is a 1 in a 10000 chance its one he is not willing to take. But its ok to let some other parent do it. Again there is no reason a grown man to want to sleep with young boys and then discard them when they get older and he loses interest No good reason at least.

I dont see how anyone can say "I know MJ didn't do anything." Unless, they spent the last ten years at Neverland morning, noon, and night. I don't want MJ to be guilty to fill some gap in my mind. But I can some people not accepting him being guilty because it would mean that one of their favorite stars is a sick fuck.

I just don't want the dude around children. Its not my job to understand his crazy ass. If he wants to recapture his childhood he can rent the Goonies like the rest of us.

 

[maharg]

"I don't want MJ to be guilty to fill some gap in my mind. But I can some people not accepting him being guilty because it would mean that one of their favorite stars is a sick fuck."

Nice double standard. Everyone has an ulterior motive but you.

 

[ShadowRed]

I've been saying the exact same thing ever since the Grand Jury testimony was leaked. The timeline makes NO sense whatsoever.

According to the D.A., MJ is a classic pedophile and has committed similar acts before as far back as '93. Yet MJ has the kid in his house for TWO years with absolutely nothing happening? This dangerous Pedophile is a perfect saint for two years UNTIL the whole world knows he likes sharing his bed with children? Then in a fit of rage he decides to molest the very boy that's seen all around the world on TV even though he was able to control himself for TWO years? Remember he's supposedly molesting this kid while at the same time trying to ship him off to South America because he's worried about possible allegations????

Personally the story just doesn't work for me. The DA has a HUGE uphill battle. As others have mentioned, it's all about the money for the accuser's family. Everybody said Kobe Bryant's Accuser wasn't in it for the money because she went to trial. Look what happened... In this day and age, going to trial doesn't mean shit. It just means the victim is capable of getting a bigger pay day via Civil suits, book or TV deals. If MJ is smart this time, hopefully he won't back down in the civil suit (which will undoubtedly come eventually).

Maybe he thought he was home free because the kid was seen on TV saying how great Micheal was. He could always hold it over the kids head, "No one will believe you because you already said on TV that I never touched you."

 

[Xenon]

No, I dont want the dude near kids. Thats my motive

 

[Deleted member 4784]

I dont see how anyone can say "I know MJ didn't do anything." Unless, they spent the last ten years at Neverland morning, noon, and night. I don't want MJ to be guilty to fill some gap in my mind. But I can some people not accepting him being guilty because it would mean that one of their favorite stars is a sick fuck.

Excuse me, but isn't that a rather harsh double standard? How are we naive in commenting on the fact that no evidence to be presented thus far collaborates the accusations made against Jackson? IMO, the only naivety being displayed here is your total disregard to the fact that Jackson is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Our conclusions at this point in time are based upon the astounding lack and contradiction of evidence presented by the prosecution; what is yours based on other than presumption?

None of us knows whether Jackson is innocent or guilty, but what we do know is that the prosecution's case against Jackson has already run into some major pitfalls. The only person making premature and naively assumptive statements here is you.

 

[borghe]

your entire argument operates under the context that he is guilty of being a pedophile and is thus potentially flawed.

You also took my qrgument out of context. My not wanting MJ to have my kids sleep over has nothing to do with him being MJ and I regret saying that at all to be taken in such a context. I wouldn't want my child to sleep over at ANY strangers house, including a megasuperstar's house. If MJ were a close personal friend I probably wouldn't think twice about it.

As for him not needing this or building up that, again it operates under the assumption that he is in fact a pedophile. That is a pretty hsakey basis to make such statements. Especially considering the FACTUAL past of him only having one other charge that went away with an extortion payoff and the utter sketchiness of this entire thing.

Like I said earlier, people assume MJ is a pedophile/pervert because it is the easy way to try and put some understanding on why he acts the way he acts. It is nothing more than a lazy copout and plays directly to the sensationalist media. If you want to say that I certainly can't stop you but understand it is a very shortsighted and ignorant viewpoint.

Though to some degree I do agree that he should not be using these kids to reclaim his childhood. I don't think they are in any danger and I don' think it is damaging though. I just think it is entirely selfish and very manipulative, if that is indeed what he is doing.

But many of you people saying he is harming kids. Seriously. If he is actually not doing anything criminal (aka sexual or abusive), I can promise you that these kids are not being ireparably damaged or their delicate psyches being shattered. These kids probably aren't seeing anything beyond how cool it must be to have access to such an amazing and fun lifestyle.

No, the only damage going on here are to the adults who can't comprehend the actions or motives of an overly complex (and probably slightly disturbed or eccentric) individual. The ones who cry freak, pedophile, etc. They are damaged because they can't look beyond their own dangerous world where everyone has a motive or hidden dark secret, and where if MJ isn't like them or a normal person, then he must be up to something dangerous.

And mind you that none of my rambling here is in any way directly established from any sort of love or admiration for MJ. It stems completely from the baseless and almost moblike criticisms of a few individuals in here. The same people who probably don't like their neighbors because their grass is uncut or who think that their coworker in the cube is a horrible person because he smells kind of funny.

Not everyone is like you. Not everyone feels the need to fit in or be understood by you. Unless you can come out with proof and say "Michael Jackson is hurting these kids" or "My coworker has 15 people chopped up in his basement", leave these people alone.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

how could a mother let her kids stay with someone like MJ (eventhough i think he is innocent) is beyond anyones understanding. I really think they should charge the mother with some sort of negligence or something.

 

[ShadowRed]

how could a mother let her kids stay with someone like MJ (eventhough i think he is innocent) is beyond anyones understanding. I really think they should charge the mother with some sort of negligence or something.

That's a dangerous precendent to set. Would you charge a parent for leaving their kid with Uncle Phil who turns out to molest them? If this were the case you'd have even more molestaions going unreported because now you have to not only get through the embarassment of having to admit to someone that your child has been violated, but the fear that they might be charged with a crime as well.

 

[Ecrofirt]

I'm not a fan of Jackson, and I never have been.

Do I think he did it? No.

Even if I thought he did, he's still innocent until he's proven guilty. Some of you are making it like he's guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and the case has just begun.