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[borghe]

that is a very fair point. also, "someone like Jackson" needs to be defined. how is Jackson? You say you think he is innocent, in other words not molesting boys, so exactly how is he? there is only one other recorded incident and that too was dropped. and in this other boy's own words for two years MJ was the best.. so exactly what type of person is MJ?

That is the type of thing that gets me going.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

That's a dangerous precendent to set. Would you charge a parent for leaving their kid with Uncle Phil who turns out to molest them? If this were the case you'd have even more molestaions going unreported because now you have to not only get through the embarassment of having to admit to someone that your child has been violated, but the fear that they might be charged with a crime as well.

thats true but it also would results in parents actuually paying attention to whom the kids hang out with. I mean cmon MJ ? what kind of mother would leave their kid alone for so long with MJ?

 

[maharg]

No, I dont want the dude near kids. Thats my motive

Uh, everyone has a motive. I said ulterior motive.

 

[ShadowRed]

thats true but it also would results in parents actuually paying attention to whom the kids hang out with. I mean cmon MJ ? what kind of mother would leave their kid alone for so long with MJ?

The same kind of mother would would leave their kid with Uncle Phil, one who doesn't think he's a molester.

 

[Socreges]

Child molestor or not, the guy is twisted. Anyone trying to shrug off his apparent craziness as some supposed ruse is at least partially ignoring the damning evidence of his face, skin colour, and oh I dunno history.

And I think comparing MJ to Uncle Phil, in terms of child molestation, isn't quite right. MJ has been suspected and charged in the past, guilty or not.

That said, what happened to people allegedly being able to describe his 'unique' genitals? Was that just made up?

 

[android]

The same kind of mother would would leave their kid with Uncle Phil, one who doesn't think he's a molester.

What????????????

 

[ShadowRed]

What????????????

:lol Not that Uncle Phil, I was just using that name as an example.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I thought there were more alleged victims?

 

[Xenon]

your entire argument operates under the context that he is guilty of being a pedophile and is thus potentially flawed.

I never said he was guilty of being a pedophile. I said a pedo palace because if you gave a pedophile millions of dollars he would build something that looks like Nederland emulating that fish in finding nemo that has a light on his head to attract prey.

You also took my qrgument out of context. My not wanting MJ to have my kids sleep over has nothing to do with him being MJ and I regret saying that at all to be taken in such a context. I wouldn't want my child to sleep over at ANY strangers house, including a megasuperstar's house. If MJ were a close personal friend I probably wouldn't think twice about it.

But yet people are blaming the parents for leaving their kids alone with this guy. Maybe you didn't say that, but others here did. So if the parents had the same opinion as some of the people on the forum then they should not be held accountable.

As for him not needing this or building up that, again it operates under the assumption that he is in fact a pedophile. That is a pretty hsakey basis to make such statements. Especially considering the FACTUAL past of him only having one other charge that went away with an extortion payoff and the utter sketchiness of this entire thing.

Not really. A grown man should not depend/use children to fulfill his needs or wants. What effect does it have on a boy once he gets older and as Waychel put it, "Michael became disinterested in him as a friend" This is not just like a child loosing a normal playmate.

Like I said earlier, people assume MJ is a pedophile/pervert because it is the easy way to try and put some understanding on why he acts the way he acts. It is nothing more than a lazy copout and plays directly to the sensationalist media. If you want to say that I certainly can't stop you but understand it is a very shortsighted and ignorant viewpoint.

Again my main issue is that a grown man should not be manufacturing a environment in which he gets to sleep with young boys. Its one thing if its a spur of the moment and your camping or something. But a grown man cuddling up with a someone else’s young child is wrong! Its even worse because once they reach a certain age he moves on. Its like he is dosen't care about the person, just the little boy.

Though to some degree I do agree that he should not be using these kids to reclaim his childhood. I don't think they are in any danger and I don' think it is damaging though. I just think it is entirely selfish and very manipulative, if that is indeed what he is doing.

I think it does.

But many of you people saying he is harming kids. Seriously. If he is actually not doing anything criminal (aka sexual or abusive), I can promise you that these kids are not being ireparably damaged or their delicate psyches being shattered. These kids probably aren't seeing anything beyond how cool it must be to have access to such an amazing and fun lifestyle.

Until it ends

No, the only damage going on here are to the adults who can't comprehend the actions or motives of an overly complex (and probably slightly disturbed or eccentric) individual. The ones who cry freak, pedophile, etc. They are damaged because they can't look beyond their own dangerous world where everyone has a motive or hidden dark secret, and where if MJ isn't like them or a normal person, then he must be up to something dangerous.

PAAAAAlease. Overly complex my ass. How about the victim of childhood abuse. One who has the money to shape the world to meet his beliefs. That is a dangerous thing. The most important thing here is the children. Not the warped mind of a delusional billionaire. You seem to want to give MJ every benefit of the doubt. Yet offer up to his accusers none. Is his mom a money grubbing bitch. Yes That doesn't mean that shit didn't happen. I have never said that I'm not completely convinced that MJ molested that kid. On the same token how can people be so sure he didn't.

And mind you that none of my rambling here is in any way directly established from any sort of love or admiration for MJ. It stems completely from the baseless and almost moblike criticisms of a few individuals in here. The same people who probably don't like their neighbors because their grass is uncut or who think that their coworker in the cube is a horrible person because he smells kind of funny.

Great I hope to see you in some of the President Bush threads =)

Not everyone is like you. Not everyone feels the need to fit in or be understood by you. Unless you can come out with proof and say "Michael Jackson is hurting these kids" or "My coworker has 15 people chopped up in his basement", leave these people alone.

Huh? So until they convict him I should not have an opinion. Riiiiiiiiight /Cosby And..... now I am the rich guy with feathered hair and a trust fund in a John Hughs movie who attacks those who are different. Whatfreaking ever. I don’t have a torch. I haven't been asking for his head. I didn't even say lock him up and throw away the key. I just don't think the man should be near children. I wouldn't let him near mine. Why would I think its ok for him to be with somebody else’s kid.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Anyone else watching the E! show on this? They brought up a really good point. The boy said he told Michael it wasn't a good idea for him to drink alchohol because he only had one kidney. But how would a 10 year old boy even know that something like that could be harmful to him? What kind of doctor or parent would ever inform their kid at that age that they shouldn't be drinking alchohol. It lends to the point that the whole thing is being made up.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Anyone else watching the E! show on this? They brought up a really good point. The boy said he told Michael it wasn't a good idea for him to drink alchohol because he only had one kidney. But how would a 10 year old boy even know that something like that could be harmful to him? What kind of doctor or parent would ever inform their kid at that age that they shouldn't be drinking alchohol. It lends to the point that the whole thing is being made up.

its not out of the realm of possiblity that a kid who has gone through all that cancer and chemotherapy and all the shit and (apparently) has gone through surgery to remove a kidney is going to be a little more informed on situations that effect his health than the average 13 year old.

 

[maharg]

What kind of doctor or parent would ever inform their kid at that age that they shouldn't be drinking alchohol.

Uh, a responsible one? If you think 13 year olds don't ever drink, you're delusional. I doubt his doctors are so naive.

 

[Shinobi]

There is no reason he should be setting up a pedo palace to lure kids and their famlies there so he can sleep with children. I see no reason for a grown man to need that sort of intimate relationship with a child(mostly young boys). I do have a major problem with these greedy fuck excuse for parents offering up their children up to ride on the MJ gravy-train. But I don't care if they approve or not because the child is one who is being exposed to possible danger. Someone said he wouldn't let his kid go because even if there is a 1 in a 10000 chance its one he is not willing to take. But its ok to let some other parent do it. Again there is no reason a grown man to want to sleep with young boys and then discard them when they get older and he loses interest No good reason at least.

I dont see how anyone can say "I know MJ didn't do anything." Unless, they spent the last ten years at Neverland morning, noon, and night. I don't want MJ to be guilty to fill some gap in my mind. But I can some people not accepting him being guilty because it would mean that one of their favorite stars is a sick fuck.

I just don't want the dude around children. Its not my job to understand his crazy ass. If he wants to recapture his childhood he can rent the Goonies like the rest of us.

Who the fuck are you, children's aid? Social services? Judge Brown? What you want doesn't mean shit here. Legally Jackson can sleep with as many kids as he wants, as long as the kids and their parents approve, and he's simply sleeping with them instead of "sleeping with them. Nobody gives a fuck what you want, no more then anyone gives a fuck what I want.

His guilt or innocence can't be vouched on by anyone at this stage. But while Jackson's profile is defintely that of a freak, his profile doesn't really fit that of a pedophile. Pedophiles are generally pretty discreet about getting close to kids. Jackson admitted on national TV that he slept with them. No pedo in his "right" mind would admit to anything like that, knowing what the consequences could be. The problem with Jackson in my view is that his mind isn't all grown up. But that doesn't make him guilty of being anything but being incredibly strange.

Like I said earlier, people assume MJ is a pedophile/pervert because it is the easy way to try and put some understanding on why he acts the way he acts. It is nothing more than a lazy copout and plays directly to the sensationalist media. If you want to say that I certainly can't stop you but understand it is a very shortsighted and ignorant viewpoint.

The rest of your post was on point, but this was the highlight...preach on.

What????????????

:lol

I never said he was guilty of being a pedophile. I said a pedo palace because if you gave a pedophile millions of dollars he would build something that looks like Nederland emulating that fish in finding nemo that has a light on his head to attract prey.

Er, okay. So was Disneyland built to be Pedo Country?

Jacko has the mind and attitude of a child. And he likes having children around. Seems to me building a place that appeals to children makes more sense in that context then building one that looks like fucking Alcatraz.