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James Mangold and Dave Filoni directing Star Wars movies

FunkMiller

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jason10mm said:
And how astute of a CEO to purposely piss off the core audience for the product?
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Kennedy can say or do what she likes, because the ‘core audience’ will still consume whatever she shovels out, because they have FOMO up the ass, and can’t possibly miss anything, even if it’s terrible. There’s a lot of man babies out there who will whine into their Jedi licenced mugs about how terrible Disney Star Wars is, but will keep watching everything.

The Mangold movie sounds like it cool be good, though.
 
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Batiman

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FunkMiller said:
Kennedy can say or do what she likes, because the ‘core audience’ will still consume whatever she shovels out, because they have FOMO up the ass, and can’t possibly miss anything, even if it’s terrible. There’s a lot of man babies out there who will whine into their Jedi licenced mugs about how terrible Disney Star Wars is, but will keep watching everything.

The Mangold movie sounds like it cool be good, though.
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What about the man babies that don’t watch Star Wars but complain every time something Star Wars is announced? That’s even more mind boggling. At least the “ man babies” that continue to watch them actually have merit in their criticism.
 
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Lord Panda

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The best thing to come out of all this Star Wars shit, was goddamn out of nowhere ANDOR. So where is my man Tony Gilroy in all this crap?
 
mitch1971

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ManaByte said:
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In a galaxy far, far away - but tiny in scope.

Key words : Jedi, republic, republic, jedi, empire, republic, jedi.

For the love of endor, move on and expand the universe.
 
Lord Panda

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The biblical Jedi movie sounds the most intriguing movie out of them all. Now just swap out Mangold for Darren Aronofsky to do that movie. Only half-serious.
 
FunkMiller

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mitch1971 said:
In a galaxy far, far away - but tiny in scope.

Key words : Jedi, republic, republic, jedi, empire, republic, jedi.

For the love of endor, move on and expand the universe.
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You're kidding, aren't you?

That would require some sort of creative ability. Something everyone at Disney clearly has very little of.

Nah. They'll keep pumping out the same meal, because people keep wolfing it down.
 
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FunkMiller

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Batiman said:
What about the man babies that don’t watch Star Wars but complain every time something Star Wars is announced? That’s even more mind boggling. At least the “ man babies” that continue to watch them actually have merit in their criticism.
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Is it? "This looks shit so I'm not going to give them my money" sounds a lot more sensible than "This looks shit, but I'm going to give them my money anyway".

It's the people continuing to pay for crap that ensures crap is all they get.
 
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DeafTourette

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Lunarorbit said:
How is Rey a jedi master? That's how the article describes her. She did a little training with Luke then it was the last movie.

I would have called her a jedi knight. She did the cool healing power on the sand snake but what elevates you to master status? Don't you have to have a padawan?

The jedi order is obviously starting over but shit better be different
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She trained under Leia for a year in TROS
 
Kiwicha

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FunkMiller said:
Is it? "This looks shit so I'm not going to give them my money" sounds a lot more sensible than "This looks shit, but I'm going to give them my money anyway".

It's the people continuing to pay for crap that ensures crap is all they get.
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Yeah... There is a lot of "I dont care if critics say is bad, I'm a fan so I know I´m gonna love this movie" going around nowadays.
 
FunkMiller

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Kiwicha said:
Yeah... There is a lot of "I dont care if critics say is bad, I'm a fan so I know I´m gonna love this movie" going around nowadays.
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And that's fine... once. But when it's repeated failure and failure, at some point, the people continuing to support it whatever the quality are the problem.
 
Mr Reasonable

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That timeline thing, is that something that is done elsewhere other than Marvel?

At least the Star Wars stuff seems more self contained, what put me off Marvel was being told by someone that to watch film A, I should watch films B and C first, and I just don't have the appetite for it.

As said earlier in the thread, I agree that what was once special is being made mundane due to over exposure. If the Star Wars stuff is self contained enough that each film or series doesn't refer to 5 other things then at least you'll be able to control your exposure and perhaps just go for the best reviewed stuff.

However, given the success of Marvel, owned by the same company, I assume there's every chance the same blueprint will be used.

If that is what comes to pass, it'll be a shame, I really liked the final trilogy of SW films, but I don't want that every 5 minutes, I have the same view of superhero movies - I'd probably see more of them if there were fewer of them.

I worry that this is more of cinema's limited screens and releases being filled by the kind of Theme Park productions (as famously said by Martin Scorsese) and while I don't think there'll be a shortage of films being made, I think that it will likely mean fewer big releases that aren't Marvel or Star Wars, and with that less invention, fewer new ideas.
 
StueyDuck

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It's a fucking shitshow.

I didn't buy into the whole Kathleen Kennedy hate, Before this.

But this really is the worst timeline for how you can handle star wars. I mean more Rey? Really? Directed by a complete nobody?

Ashoka looks terrible.

The acolyte we know has had shit because the producer got canned.

The only kind of interesting thing is the Mangold movie because most of his movies I have enjoyed 🤷‍♂️. And the filoni movie buuuut after cameo 3 I mean Mando 3 I'm just not sure
 
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Lunarorbit

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DeafTourette said:
She trained under Leia for a year in TROS
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Ah.... You mean jedi master Leia whose one jedi power is dying and floating lazily in space in the most cringey way possible?

This scene and the one where Rose kisses Finn against his will were the two worse parts of the entire trilogy.
 
DKehoe

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VN1X said:
Fantastic news for Nerdrotic, Red Letter Media, Critical Drinker, Midnight's Edge, etc

Content for years to come. 😁
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Phew, for a moment they must have been worrying they might have to talk about something other than the franchise conveyer belt.
 
VN1X

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DKehoe said:
Phew, for a moment they must have been worrying they might have to talk about something other than the franchise conveyer belt.
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You say that but Disney (and the rest of Hollywood) have truly been the gift that keeps on giving. Not in the least of which as they constantly expose themselves for the frauds they are, utterly creatively bankrupt and only interested in activism and pandering. I'm not sure why people even get mildly excited about these flicks any more, especially on places like GAF where you'd hope most people are a bit more discerning compared to the average movie goer.

Anyway some of RLM and Nerdrotic's coverage had me in stitches over the years. You could argue they're milking it for every cent and if it's not your cup of tea I can totally get that. Personally though I really enjoy their coverage and something like Friday Night Tights only goes to show how big the "Fandom Menace" has become over the last few years. People are fed up with this shit.
 
Batiman

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FunkMiller said:
Is it? "This looks shit so I'm not going to give them my money" sounds a lot more sensible than "This looks shit, but I'm going to give them my money anyway".

It's the people continuing to pay for crap that ensures crap is all they get.
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You can’t always tell what’s gonna be shit just by trailers. This whole place seemed to shit on everything Andor before it was released. Now it’s heavily praised everywhere.

Same with House of the Dragon. “Who wants more game of thrones” or “no one cares anymore”. People said the trailers look like shit now people praise the hell out of it. Go check the threads if you want to see a feast of crows

Nothing wrong with being optimistic about IPs you’re interested in
 
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DKehoe

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VN1X said:
You say that but Disney (and the rest of Hollywood) have truly been the gift that keeps on giving. Not in the least of which as they constantly expose themselves for the frauds they are, utterly creatively bankrupt and only interested in activism and pandering. I'm not sure why people even get mildly excited about these flicks any more, especially on places like GAF where you'd hope most people are a bit more discerning compared to the average movie goer.

Anyway some of RLM and Nerdrotic's coverage had me in stitches over the years. You could argue they're milking it for every cent and if it's not your cup of tea I can totally get that. Personally though I really enjoy their coverage and something like Friday Night Tights only goes to show how big the "Fandom Menace" has become over the last few years. People are fed up with this shit.
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Yeh, I get that they’re chasing views and so that’s what dictates their videos. The YouTube model doesn't exactly reward subtlety and careful consideration. It might be that they have little interest in the medium at large but could just be that their audience isn't interested in films/TV shows outside of the same few franchises. So because views are tied to their incomes they just go back to the well on what they know will draw views.

I think what's interesting isn't just that they only cover a small range of media but that even within those few franchises they can be selective. Like if you look at Nerdrotic's channel the guy has done something like 30 videos on Rings of Power, a show that was not critically well-received. But Andor, a show that has been well received, got none. So it's only covering stuff that can be bitched about. To draw a comparison with another hobby, I'm a football fan and have heard various people who have podcasts and youtube channels mention that their engagement goes up when the team they cover is doing well. Whereas with this audience it seems like they're only interested in the outrage. I guess it's because compared to other hobbies this is a culture war thing so being outraged and viewing yourself as a victim is all part of that.

So when you are pandering to an audience who aren't exactly discerning your channel ends up looking like this

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It's also interesting how of all the videos there only one is positive (the John Wick one) and it's the one with the lowest views.

I also don't think it's fair to compare RLM to channels like those. They cover a whole range of films and are able to talk about the actual craft and history of the medium to actually provide insight rather than just obsess over some agenda like those other YouTubers.
 
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FunkMiller

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Batiman said:
You can’t always tell what’s gonna be shit just by trailers. This whole place seemed to shit on everything Andor before it was released. Now it’s heavily praised everywhere.

Same with House of the Dragon. “Who wants more game of thrones” or “no one cares anymore”. People said the trailers look like shit now people praise the hell out of it. Go check the threads if you want to see a feast of crows

Nothing wrong with being optimistic about IPS you’re interested in
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I’m talking about the people who believe something is going to suck… but watch it anyway, just to hate on it. How many idiots watched all of Book Of Boba Fett or Obi Wan Kenobi just to be able to moan about it? How many will go to the Daisy Ridley movie knowing damn well it’s going to be full of stuff they’ll despise?

Disney partially counts on mindless people consuming whatever shit they put out, even when they know it’s going to be shit. Same goes for Marvel. There’s a whole industry now full of idiots following other idiots on social media, who just whine and complain about how ‘woke’ or how terrible Disney’s output is (look at the post above about Nerdrotic) but all rush to see the next thing anyway.
 
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Batiman

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FunkMiller said:
I’m talking about the people who believe something is going to suck… but watch it anyway, just to hate on it. How many idiots watched all of Book Of Boba Fett or Obi Wan Kenobi just to be able to moan about it? How many will go to the Daisy Ridley movie knowing damn well it’s going to be full of stuff they’ll despise?

Disney partially counts on mindless people consuming whatever shit they put out, even when they know it’s going to be shit. Same goes for Marvel. There’s a whole industry now full of idiots following other idiots on social media, who just whine and complain about how ‘woke’ or how terrible Disney’s output is (look at the post above about Nerdrotic) but all rush to see the next thing anyway.
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Ok I see what you’re saying. That’s the shit I always complain about honestly. Edgelords excited for the next film just to put it under a microscope.

It’s honestly sad because I see it rubbing off on my son and he’s been so annoying with everything nowadays. Critiquing everything that’s out with the same talking points I see plastered all over the internet. I guess where in an age where people love to watch people complain about stuff they don’t enjoy. While these channels profit off it.

I don’t think anyone thinks Marvel or SW etc are the new citizen Kane. They just enjoy them for what they are. And most Marvel/SW fans enjoy the same great movies some of these film snobs rate so well as well.
 
FunkMiller

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Batiman said:
Ok I see what you’re saying. That’s the shit I always complain about honestly. Edgelords excited for the next film just to put it under a microscope.

It’s honestly sad because I see it rubbing off on my son and he’s been so annoying with everything nowadays. Critiquing everything that’s out with the same talking points I see plastered all over the internet. I guess where in an age where people love to watch people complain about stuff they don’t enjoy. While these channels profit off it.

I don’t think anyone thinks Marvel or SW etc are the new citizen Kane. They just enjoy them for what they are. And most Marvel/SW fans enjoy the same great movies some of these film snobs rate so well as well.
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I'm sure Kathleen Kennedy takes a look at YouTube, sees all the edgelord internet warriors posting videos about how terrible Star Wars is now, sees how large the views are for those videos, and knows that each and every complainer and whiner has watched the thing they claim to hate. Sometimes more than once.

It's become a symbiotic relationship. Which is why I roll my eyes every time somebody like Nerdrotic or Critical Drinker says Star Wars is dead - knowing full well them and all their followers will be there opening night for the next shit show.
 
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BadBurger said:
You'd really detest the Studio Ghibli films man.
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Ghibli didn’t destroy its old male heroes though. Plus, you still have strong male characters helping them - Prince Ashitaka in Princess Mononoke (and was actually physically stronger than her), Pazu in Laputa, Haku in Spirited Away.

To be honest, it’s not even comparable. The Ghibli characters are strong but not Mary Sus and are often saved by male characters.
 
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FireFistAce said:
Ghibli didn’t destroy its old male heroes though. Plus, you still have strong male characters helping them - Prince Ashitaka in Princess Mononoke (and was actually physically stronger than her), Pazu in Laputa, Haku in Spirited Away.

To be honest, it’s not even comparable. The Ghibli characters are strong but not Mary Sus and are often saved by male characters.
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I'm trying to think of characterization and storytelling more diametrically opposed than current LucasArts and ghibli. Quite possibly the worst comparison he could have made.
 
Teletraan1

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I think that the press for shit coming out of Hollywood actually harms people's perception of the show/movie quite a bit. They really need to put a muzzle on some of their actors that don't seem to know what the fuck they are talking about especially when joining established properties. The Reva actress spouting off about how white Star Wars was until she showed up totally discounting James Earl Jones, Billy Dee Williams, John Boyega, Donald Glover etc was cringe. I saw a clip from someone from this acolyte show spouting off about how patriarchal Star Wars has always been again discounting Queen Amidala, Princess/General Leia, Mon Mothma, all women in charge. These are Jennifer Lawrence level galaxy brain takes. They invite the valid scepticism imo.
 
Darkmakaimura

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Badlucktroll said:
I just think they should have done a Star Wars here and there like a big event like the old days, and not completely inundated us with constant new content. Not as exciting.
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What they need to do is stop focusing on the Empire/First Order era and go back a few hundred years or ahead of few hundred years was completely different characters, all new types of ships, New Jedi and Sith, etc.
 
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Even if it is great...who gives a fuck?

Canon is destroyed.

Basically if it will be great, the worst part bout it will be the fact that it will have to pretend to be a part of Star Wars universe n be bout this universe + ll give producers some more legacy to shit on
 
ManaByte

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FunkMiller said:
I'm sure Kathleen Kennedy takes a look at YouTube, sees all the edgelord internet warriors posting videos about how terrible Star Wars is now, sees how large the views are for those videos, and knows that each and every complainer and whiner has watched the thing they claim to hate. Sometimes more than once.
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Sometimes they love it before they realize they can make money shitting on it.

 
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