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I would let Michael Hayes ravage my anus every day for a month and call me Bo Dallas to spend 24 hours with Stephanie McMahon and having sexual intercourse with her for 23 of them. The other hour would be used to eat to keep my energy high.

Late to the party, but:

Unrelated, kind of, have there been any updates on Vince's pelvis?

 

[MightyHealthy]

I hate-read Best & Worst of _____. It's a bad habit.

I love it *yeshrug*

Also, link for this week's:

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2013/01/the-best-and-worst-of-wwe-raw-12813

 

[Keyser Soze]

So that's what they're gonna do then, right Keyser?

No they will include Personal H, because it is personal

 

[BFIB]

I miss Mike Awesome.

 

[jmdajr]

Pelvis update?

everything seems ok.

 

[Cagey]

I love it *yeshrug*

Also, link for this week's:

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2013/01/the-best-and-worst-of-wwe-raw-12813

His discussions on the complexity of Alberto Del Rio and Big Show are an embarrassing attempt to elevate the plotline to something he feels good about watching. I say embarrassing because it reads like fan-fiction.

Del Rio is such an amazing good guy right now. A guy who reached his destiny and was shocked to discover that his true happiness was in sharing it. A guy who humbly opened up to his best friend, became embraced by the people he secretly loved, and will now do anything to stand up for what he believes in. I’ve written about Big Show’s complexities before, and they remain steadfast here — he’s a guy who is good at the core but beaten down by a career of humiliation and disappointment, so he lashes out when he’s embarrassed.

 

[UberTag]

Raw Viewership Numbers:

8:00 - 4.86
9:00 - 5.27
10:00 - 4.93

Rock equal Ratings!

This makes me a sad panda. I blame you guys!
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Duh, first title change in over a year. Of course, the ratings are gonna spike. Wait until after Mania.

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[Toki767]

Those numbers are going to drop so badly after WrestleMania.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Raw Viewership Numbers:

8:00 - 4.86
9:00 - 5.27
10:00 - 4.93

Rock equal Ratings!

No shit. Wow.

 

[Kyoufu]

Did Rock even do anything last night?

 

[Bowser]

His discussions on the complexity of Alberto Del Rio and Big Show are an embarrassing attempt to elevate the plotline to something he feels good about watching. I say embarrassing because it reads like fan-fiction.

Yeah, it's pretty cringe worthy. He's just making up this stuff to fit his narrative, really it's just Del Rio turned face cause they needed more likeable faces and a face isn't a dick to his best friend/manager.

 

[McNei1y]

Did Rock even do anything last night?

He called Punk a punk ass bitch or something. And Punk repeated that phrase like three times. Then challenged the Rock at EC and The Rock accepted.

 

[Kyoufu]

He called Punk a punk ass bitch or something. And Punk repeated that phrase like three times. Then challenged the Rock at EC and The Rock accepted.

Is this a good thing then that Punk is involved with Rock during 5.27 ratings?

Or does he look like a joke?

 

[Professor Beef]

Did Rock even do anything last night?

He got Punk to admit that he's a bitch.

 

[Striker]

He buried him.

 

[Kyoufu]

He buried him.

Welp.

Guess I'm really taking a long, long break.

 

[Jeff Albertson]

Nothing about Freight Train is a work. He's just a cool dude who loves wrestling and hates Eugene.

Lol I have never heard of the guy until today and then watched that interview with him in a state of amazement

Either he is a great actor or he is actually mentally challenged and I really want to find out which!

 

[Kaladin]

You guys know if we had got Cena vs Undertaker while Undertaker was in his Mania prime it would be on some top 5 lists.

 

[McNei1y]

Is this a good thing then that Punk is involved with Rock during 5.27 ratings?

Or does he look like a joke?

He People Elbowed him through his words.

 

[Cagey]

He didn't call Punk a punk ass bitch. He called Punk an ass bitch.

"you, punk. ass bitch." obv.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Is this a good thing then that Punk is involved with Rock during 5.27 ratings?

Or does he look like a joke?

When it's Punk w/o Rock (but with other talent) you get a high 2, maybe 3. So yeah...it's all Rocky.

 

[somedevil]

He buried him.

Welp.

Guess I'm really taking a long, long break.

He didn't bury him. That term here is thrown around here stupidly. CM Punk and the Rock had a good promo back and forth. Nobody looked weak at all and Punk seem to trump the Rock again. That was a great segment.

 

[Lambda Pie]

match of the day:

AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe - TNA Sacrifice '05

http://youtu.be/P4LIeynKXE4

remember when these guys were the future of wrestling?

 

[jmdajr]

There are like two people above Punk now. Rock and Cena.
And how many times did he beat Cena? Shit.

 

[Professor Beef]

remember when these guys were the future of wrestling?

 

[Toki767]

Next year on the Raw after the Royal Rumble I'm expecting Austin to come back to close the show. Last year it was Undertaker. This year it was Brock. Next year it better be Austin.

 

[Aiii]

I love it *yeshrug*

Also, link for this week's:

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2013/01/the-best-and-worst-of-wwe-raw-12813

Every fucking paragraph this guy gets on his extremist feminist high horse now.

Makes me want to punch him in the face.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Every fucking paragraph this guy gets on his extremist feminist high horse now.

Makes me want to punch him in the face.

I still think his viewpoints need to be vocal and noticed, whether I agree with them or not, all perspectives need to be out there.

 

[Striker]

He didn't bury him. That term here is thrown around here stupidly. CM Punk and the Rock had a good promo back and forth. Nobody looked weak at all and Punk seem to trump the Rock again. That was a great segment.

The gullibility is a little easy

It was okay. Each person threw some jabs, Rock mentioned thanking the fans because they matter, Punk says he stole the title, challenges him to EC, and Rocky accepts. Over.

The numbers are big for the brass because they pay so much attention to that, unfortunately.

 

[Johnz]

TNA booking makes me openly weep.

 

[Perspicacity]

Last night CM Punk was shoot buried so hard that the kayfabe broke and he can no longer draw but it was all a work. SWERVE!

 

[MightyHealthy]

His discussions on the complexity of Alberto Del Rio and Big Show are an embarrassing attempt to elevate the plotline to something he feels good about watching. I say embarrassing because it reads like fan-fiction.

It's a real stretch to get that verbose with it, and it's easy to see why they did the turn in the first place, but ADR's transition to a face has been executed remarkably well IMHO

I also like Stroud because he calls himself out, too:

The Miz is in the business of making me look like an idiot, I guess. First I say that turning him face would be a great idea, and he turns into the worst face of all time. Then I’m like, “oh cool, Ric Flair passed down the figure four to him, that’ll be great” and he breaks out what I am not afraid to call THE WORST GODDAMN FIGURE-FOUR IN HISTORY. I have seen Jack Evans do a better figure-four than this. I have seen guys in Ric Flair Halloween costumes, drunk off their asses, put people in better figure-four leglocks than this.

 

[Aiii]

I still think his viewpoints need to be vocal and noticed, whether I agree with them or not, all perspectives need to be out there.

He's overexposing his opinion more than WWE is overexposing their product though.

And he's lost the funny in the process, which doesn't help at all.

 

[Petrie]

It's a real stretch to get that verbose with it, and it's easy to see why they did the turn in the first place, but ADR's transition to a face has been executed remarkably well IMHO

I also like Stroud because he calls himself out, too (i.e. getting hopes up for Miz, then botching the Figure Four a week later)

I haven't been watching for a few months, how DID they turn Del Rio?

 

[Cagey]

It's a real stretch to get that verbose with it, and it's easy to see why they did the turn in the first place, but ADR's transition to a face has been executed remarkably well IMHO

I also like Stroud because he calls himself out, too (i.e. getting hopes up for Miz, then botching the Figure Four a week later)

I agree with the transition being done very well, but that's not what's getting said. He's claiming storyline motivations that don't exist or factually incorrect (ADR becoming a face pre-belt) because he wants wrestling booked the way he wants it booked. It's little more than a subset of fantasy booking, focused instead on retconning what's happened as opposed to making predictions about where to go.

 

[strobogo]

lol. Kayfabe was broken in the 80s at the latest.




Also, what the fuck was Vickie wearing last night?

 

[Bowser]

I haven't been watching for a few months, how DID they turn Del Rio?

If I'm not mistaken, at TLC, 3MB started harassing the Spanish announce table, Ricardo ran down pleading with them to leave the announcers alone, 3MB started pushing around/beating up Ricardo, and Del Rio ran down for the save.

That was it I think lol.

 

[Kaladin]

I haven't been watching for a few months, how DID they turn Del Rio?

 

[Bowser]

He doesn't come out in cars anymore tho!

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

It's obviously up to The Miz, Cody Rhodes, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, and co to carry the WWE after the current top guys leave.

Believe.

 

[slightconfuse]

Del Rio is a great face because he not a total asswipe like shemaus and cena

It's refreshing to see.

 

[MightyHealthy]

The pivotal moment in the ADR turn for me was the New Year's Eve RAW, when Ricardo was forced to wrestle Big Show.

They had a backstage segment where del Rio coached up Ricardo a lil bit, and as a surprise at the end, tossed him his keys to make an entrance in style.

Maybe I'm a sucker for heartwarming and cliched moments, but that was well done.

 

[Toki767]

It's obviously up to The Miz, Cody Rhodes, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, and etc to carry the WWE after the current top guys leave.

Believe.

I don't know if I'd include Miz on that list, though I'm sure WWE would just force him to a top spot if everyone else leaves.

 

[Ithil]

Rewatching the end segment of RAW, and I wonder if the video with Heyman and Maddox was the first time for the little Jimmies watching to find the Shield downright scary, appearing out of the shadows and (for all they know) apparently beating Maddox and his cameraman to death.

 

[Kaladin]

Rewatching the end segment of RAW, and I wonder if the video with Heyman and Maddox was the first time for the little Jimmies watching to find the Shield downright scary, appearing out of the shadows and (for all they know) apparently beating Maddox and his cameraman to death.

That segment told me that Heyman should be on Sons of Anarchy.

 

[Perspicacity]

The pivotal moment in the ADR turn for me was the New Year's Eve RAW, when Ricardo was forced to wrestle Big Show.

They had a backstage segment where del Rio coached up Ricardo a lil bit, and as a surprise at the end, tossed him his keys to make an entrance in style.

Maybe I'm a sucker for heartwarming and cliched moments, but that was well done.

Giving someone a likable buddy really helps. Sure Ricardo is his employee and has been abused in the past, but there's genuine chemistry between the two of them. Contrast this with Cena/Ryder, wherein Ryder acted like a Cena fangirl and Cena just acted like a condescending fucking asshole to Ryder the whole time.

In fact the segment you're referring to can be directly compared to an episode of Raw a year ago where Ryder was set to face Kane. Rather than encouraging Zack or giving him coaching tips a la Del Rio/Ricardo, Cena acted like an overprotective douche because he had no confidence in Ryder's abilities. This comparison is even more pathetic in that Ryder is supposed to be a wrestler while Ricardo is not.

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

I don't know if I'd include Miz on that list, though I'm sure WWE would just force him to a top spot if everyone else leaves.

WWE seems like they rather push Miz hard then give up on him. Not sure if that'll stay true in like 5 years when Cena, Punk, Sheamus, Big Show, Kane, etc retire.

Though Miz will be 37 by then, same with Orton. So they'd probably only be in the lime-light for a year or two before they themselves retire.

I can only Dream that when stars like Cena are close to retiring, they do what needs to be done and start putting young talent over. Be like Jericho, help make others look good and put them over.

 

[Toki767]

WWE seems like they rather push Miz hard then give up on him. Not sure if that'll stay true in like 5 years when Cena, Punk, Sheamus, Big Show, Kane, etc retire.

Though Miz will be 37 by then, same with Orton. So they'd probably only be in the lime-light for a year or two before they themselves retire.

I can only Dream that when stars like Cena are close to retiring, they do what needs to be done and start putting young talent over. Be like Jericho, help make others look good and put them over.

Cena's going to end up retiring the way HHH went out. Maybe worse if he never turns heel.

 

[slightconfuse]

Really good article by the masked man. It really is déjà vu


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8894558/vince-mcmahon-once-again-remaking-wwe-just-way-likes-it

None of this means WrestleMania will be compromised — it doesn't even mean Punk won't be in the main event along with Rock and Cena. We don't know what's going to happen. But it does mean that the sort of fans that were decrying Punk's loss need to remember what they're watching every Monday night. This is still Vince's WWE. I mean, did you really think everything had changed? That WWE was suddenly the company you'd always hoped it would be? Wake up, guys.

I feel a lot of us(me included) woke up to this the other day.

 

[Kyoufu]

Next year on the Raw after the Royal Rumble I'm expecting Austin to come back to close the show. Last year it was Undertaker. This year it was Brock. Next year it better be Austin.

You mean Wrestlemania?