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[Mahonay]

Triple H has done amazing since taking over as Executive Vice President of Talent, Live Events and Creative. He's signed some of the best talent the company has had in a long time....and we're not just talking about one or two guys either.

Say what you will about the decline of ratings and lack of huge draw stars, but Haitch is been making a legitimate effort to lay the fresh groundwork for the future WWE. Something Vince has absolutely refused to do for over a decade now.

That stuff has been translating extremely poorly to RAW. But that is a trash show. Smackdown has been fairing better in transitioning. It's almost night and day between the two shows in their execution. Here's hoping the current RAW format doesn't win out in what will be the shape of WWE for the next 10+ years...Because if it does I can only imagine what ratings will look like in a few years when Charlotte and Sasha fight for the right to be the first 40-time Woman's Champion, and baby face Roman Reigns headlines his 6th WrestleMania.

 

[Foggy]

HHH can't save anything. NXT is as stale as it's ever been.

 

[jmdajr]

Amazong job? He is one of the main reason why Cm punk left.

eh. He did him a favor. Making money for doing essentially nothing now.

When does Aj Lee book come out? Is she gonna shoot on the authority?

 

[Mahonay]

Amazong job? He is one of the main reason why Cm punk left.

Because that's current.

 

[Mahonay]

HHH can't save anything. NXT is as stale as it's ever been.

NXT is absolutely fine right now. Better than RAW at least.

Also don't forget about how God damn great the CWC was, despite how trash it is on RAW and 205 Live now.

 

[Sephzilla]

Early carny of the year nominee

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1334759

Tweeting about it mere hours after the subreddit was made.

Nice job being stealthy there, Randy

 

[Heroman]

Because that's current.

Considering the the state of the wwwe and the fact that there are no stars outside of Cena and the part timers. It is extremely relevant.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Amazong job? He is one of the main reason why Cm punk left.

The numerous insanely talented guys who Triple H was instrumental in hiring are worth far, far more than CM Punk.

 

[Mahonay]

Considering the the state of the wwwe and the fact that there are no stars outside of Cena and the part timers. It is extremely relevant.

Who else is HHH personally holding down or chasing off?

I know he turned Kurt down for a return a year or two ago.

 

[Kaladin]

Say what you will about the decline of ratings and lack of huge draw stars, but Haitch is been making a legitimate effort to lay the fresh groundwork for the future WWE. Something Vince has absolutely refused to do for over a decade now.

That stuff has been translating extremely poorly to RAW. But that is a trash show. Smackdown has been fairing better in transitioning. It's almost night and day between the two shows in their execution. Here's hoping the current RAW format doesn't win out in what will be the shape of WWE for the next 10+ years...Because if it does I can only imagine what ratings will look like in a few years when Charlotte and Sasha fight for the right to be the first 40-time Woman's Champion, and baby face Roman Reigns headlines his 6th WrestleMania.

Hell, Smackdown has Alexa Bliss as their champ already, and Raw is stuck on Charlotte.

I think Vince has a problem letting go of something he sees as working.

 

[Anth0ny]

HHH can't save anything. NXT is as stale as it's ever been.

weekly shows are eh

but hhh knows how to build to a big show and have it pay off. the takeover specials, cwc and now this uk tournament.

the first mania completely under hhh's booking philosophy will probably be fucking awesome and actually feel like a big show again instead of the filler show for casuals that it's become

 

[ANuclearError]

Kenny Williams versus Ricochet has been announced for the ICW Zero-G Championship at the Square Go in Newcastle. Ricochet was given the title shot for beating Kenny before he became champion.

Andy Wild and Lewis Girvan will have a rematch to give the No. 1 Contender tournament a proper finish after an inconclusive finish at the show on Sunday.

Kacey Owens won a 4 way to earn a title shot against Kay Lee Ray for the Women's title as well.

Card is looking at such:

Wolfgang (c) vs Trent Seven for the ICW Heavyweight Championship
Kenny Williams (c) vs Ricochet for the ICW Zero-G Championship
Polo Promotions (c) vs Bird & Boar for the ICW Tag Team Championship
Kay Lee Ray (c) vs Kasey Owens for the ICW Women's Championship
The Square Go match (Royal Rumble where winner gets MITB briefcase).
Lewis Girvan vs Andy Wild for the Zero-G No. 1 Contendership.


If the Network thing ends up happening, this will probably be the first event on it, if the TNA people are allowed.

 

[jmdajr]

Tweeting about it mere hours after the subreddit was made.

Nice job being stealthy there, Randy

I had to look up what Battleborn was.

 

[Heroman]

The numerous insanely talented guys who Triple H was instrumental in hiring are worth far, far more than CM Punk.

Cm punk was/is more popular than any person that HHH has hired.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

A very well put together wrestling promotion which just started last year (i believe) here in Austin TX has been doing amazing stuff booking talent. They just announced ZSJ will be here in February's show. I'll be there to see that.

 

[Zach]

Did Triple McMahon hire Bayley?

If so, the man knows what he's doing.

 

[Uno Venova]

NXT is absolutely fine right now. Better than RAW at least.

Also don't forget about how God damn great the CWC was, despite how trash it is on RAW and 205 Live now.

It's pretty uncontroversial saying that the shows that HHH has run have all been pretty great and it build confidence that he'll run a great show on the main product.

Don't let Heroman's efforts to be CONTRARIAN distract from that.

 

[Mahonay]

Cm punk was/is more popular than any person that HHH has hired.

I really give zero fucks about about CM Punk in 2017. I've moved past it.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

It's pretty uncontroversial saying that the shows that HHH has run have all been pretty great and it build confidence that he'll run a great show on the main product.

Don't let Heroman's efforts to be CONTRARIAN distract from that.

amen, friend blackflip

 

[Caderfix]

I've been asking that since Mania 32.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Cm punk was/is more popular than any person that HHH has hired.

He was also very vocal about his desire to retire sooner than most would think he would, even before his issues with management became apparent. Who even knows if he'd still be there today had he not quit when he did. WWE gained a bunch of guys who are very likely going to be around for the next 10+ years in exchange for a guy who most assuredly wasn't going to be there for another 5. In the long term it was still a positive, even if Punk WAS a bigger star than anyone Triple H has brought in currently is.

 

[Kaladin]

For whatever reason, things just don't translate from Triple H run shows to Vince McMahon run shows.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Cm punk was/is more popular than any person that HHH has hired.

I'm gonna take a safe guess that if Punk was still around, the ratings would still be as they are now.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Who else is HHH personally holding down or chasing off?

I know he turned Kurt down for a return a year or two ago.

NXT hasn't developed anyone since Balor debuted 1.5 years ago. That's why they had to bring back Hero to main event the Mania takeover show against Nakamura and Asuka doesn't have any credible challengers.

 

[Foggy]

Just ask yourselves how many cycles of "just wait until" you've gone through. The product is bad. The product is built around sustaining itself and that's it. CWC and UK tourny were minimalist wrestling products and that's not Raw or Smackdown or NXT or 205 Live or anything. Keep waiting until the HHH takes over. It'll be better, but you're deluding yourself if you think any aspect of the product is going to retain what made those tournaments special.

 

[Mahonay]

A very well put together wrestling promotion which just started last year (i believe) here in Austin TX has been doing amazing stuff booking talent. They just announced ZSJ will be here in February's show. I'll be there to see that.

Austin seems like it has a pretty strong indie wrasslin scene.

 

[FlammableD]

well this is a thing

 

[Mahonay]

Just ask yourselves how many cycles of "just wait until" you've gone through. The product is bad. The product is built around sustaining itself and that's it. CWC and UK tourny were minimalist wrestling products and that's not Raw or Smackdown or NXT or 205 Live or anything. Keep waiting until the HHH takes over. It'll be better, but you're deluding yourself if you think any aspect of the product is going to retain what made those tournaments special.

You are a depressing person.

I know it's mostly shit. Everyone does. It's fun to get excited about potential anyway.

 

[Heroman]

He was also very vocal about his desire to retire sooner than most would think he would, even before his issues with management became apparent. Who even knows if he'd still be there today had he not quit when he did. WWE gained a bunch of guys who are very likely going to be around for the next 10+ years in exchange for a guy who most assuredly wasn't going to be there for another 5. In the long term it was still a positive, even if Punk WAS a bigger star than anyone Triple H has brought in currently is.

What guys did HHH hire that are going be with WWE for ten plus years? All he does is hire dude in there mid 30s, they aren't going to be around for that long.

 

[klonere]

To add my thoughts to this discussion:

Pete Dunne is short.
Tyler Bate is very very short.

They both have funny accents. Neither can cut a WWE style promo well (this does not mean they cannot cut a promo).

CWC was good.
Cruiserweights on Raw are awful
205 Live is totally mediocre with few exceptions.

The UKT was very good.
The UK weekly show will be ???.

 

[Zach]

 

[spindashing]

Backstage segment of the year.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Is Kurt Angle gonna be revealed to be La Luchadora tonight like he was revealed to be El Gran Luchadore?

Was Becky Eddie's legacy all along?

 

[Kaladin]

Monday Night Raw isn't all bad, it's just a chore to get through 3 hours of a mix of good and bad to get to the good stuff. JeriKO is amazing right now as is Strowman and Zayne. The Enzo/Cass and Rusev feud is actually kind of good and producing some good stuff. The CW stuff is finding it's legs it seems though they need to get their other talent on Raw. Cesaro and Sheamus are great as a tag team but it's a shame the rest of the division is shit.

Like I said, things are working....it's just a mess getting through the bad shit to get to the good.

 

[jmdajr]

The shield will probbaly make 10 years.

I don't now if he official hired them.

Anyhow today's work rate is gonna kill longevity.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Tajiri suffered a right knee injury and is not currently medically cleared to compete, WWE.com has learned.

The Japanese Buzzsaw was injured during a recent NXT TV taping.

Stick with WWE.com for more on this story as it develops.

http://www.wwe.com/article/tajiri-injured?sf51363617=1&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Just ask yourselves how many cycles of "just wait until" you've gone through. The product is bad. The product is built around sustaining itself and that's it. CWC and UK tourny were minimalist wrestling products and that's not Raw or Smackdown or NXT or 205 Live or anything. Keep waiting until the HHH takes over. It'll be better, but you're deluding yourself if you think any aspect of the product is going to retain what made those tournaments special.

Only thing I disagree with is it'll be better

In some aspects it will be, in some aspects it'll be worse

I expect much more Indy raids and a weaker drug policy, for example

 

[slightconfuse]

Biggest problem with WWE is they don't want to pay the big bucks for talent. They want to under pay guys and pray on them being marks for WWE.

 

[Anth0ny]

Just ask yourselves how many cycles of "just wait until" you've gone through. The product is bad. The product is built around sustaining itself and that's it. CWC and UK tourny were minimalist wrestling products and that's not Raw or Smackdown or NXT or 205 Live or anything. Keep waiting until the HHH takes over. It'll be better, but you're deluding yourself if you think any aspect of the product is going to retain what made those tournaments special.

i do think there's a chance things will get better when vince and dunn are out of the picture

that's the biggest possible "just wait until" moment



i didn't think star wars would ever be good again, either. then george lucas fucking sold that shit to disney and it's great.



basically vince needs to sell to disney already.

 

[Toki767]

The shield will probbaly make 10 years.

I don't now if he official hired them.

Anyhow today's work rate is gonna kill longevity.

Big Johnny hired all 3 of them.

HHH's hires don't start until mid 2011. Shield were all brought in in 2010.

I guess Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are the best examples of people who will last 10 years from HHH's hires. But that's if you include their time in NXT.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Backstage segment of the year.

When they tell you that you're going to Raw and not Smackdown.

 

[slightconfuse]

HHH first hires were sin Cara and Awesome Kong

 

[jmdajr]

Big Johnny hired all 3 of them.

HHH's hires don't start until mid 2011. Shield were all brought in in 2010.

I guess Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are the best examples of people who will last 10 years from HHH's hires.

They need to start wrestling like The Miz then.

edit: Sin Cara. Lol. That must have broken his spirits. I'm glad he just didn't quit after that.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

The shield will probbaly make 10 years.

I don't now if he official hired them.

Anyhow today's work rate is gonna kill longevity.

They're FCW so they weren't hired by him but the Shield was Triple H's project and all are in their early thirties so they are gonna be fine unless injury takes any of them out.

 

[Mahonay]

Big Johnny hired all 3 of them.

 

[imBask]

Only thing I disagree with is it'll be better

In some aspects it will be, in some aspects it'll be worse

I expect much more Indy raids and a weaker drug policy, for example

weaker drug policy? it's 2017, there's no way HHH will ever have worse drug policies than what Vince had just by virtue of common sense

 

[klonere]

What guys did HHH hire that are going be with WWE for ten plus years? All he does is hire dude in there mid 30s, they aren't going to be around for that long.

The young guys and gals he hires are all stuck in the PC bud. It's full of college athletes or MMA flameouts/marks who wanted their mark photo. Now that the structure of NXT has completely changed from developmental to being a full time touring brand with quarterly arena shows, you don't see those people much anymore, at least on the male side. Gotta draw for those shows brother, so we can't put some raw ass PC dude who hasn't worked a year on the indies before or whatever. (This also hurts the storytelling in NXT)

If you do see them, you probably think they suck (Tino, Tucker Knight, Angelo Dawkins) (Tino is a bad example because he is relatively old but stick with me here) or they some bizarre one note gimmick that condemns them to death on the main roster (No Way Jose, the guys in Sanity).

Basically, Haitch and WWE are signing younger talent but the PC has proven to mostly be a miserable failure so far on the male side and it's brightest star right now is fucking BRAAAUUNNN who barely spent any time there at all.

 

[Uno Venova]

Yeah I already enjoy SD, not really a part of the pessimist view that it's bad and can never fix itself.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Only thing I disagree with is it'll be better

In some aspects it will be, in some aspects it'll be worse

I expect much more Indy raids and a weaker drug policy, for example

going off on the appearance of neville and jinder mahal, we're already there

 

[Mahonay]

weaker drug policy? it's 2017, there's no way HHH will ever have worse drug policies than what Vince had just by virtue of common sense

The age of Trump is here and I can see Vince thinking all bets are off now with stuff like the drug policy.

Haitch yeah probably not. I mean you can't have anyone looking as huge as he does.