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January Wrasslin' |OT| It's a New Year, Yes It Is!

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Kaladin said:
I'd go with Sting. I don't think he'd be the type to do convention signings and other stuff.

Jericho has other less expensive avenues you can get his autograph if you're a big fan.
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Yeah I was thinking that. Sting is $175 though. Still got some time to decide.
 
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Vince McMahon said:
nobody buys em

I love boxing, and I always will, but I know when the writing is on the wall. Boxing now is for true boxing fans only, and is in a huge lull.
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I'm not even sure what that means anymore.

boxers like Guillermo Rigondeaux are going to kill the popularity of the sport.
 
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Aiii said:
Why would you downgrade like that.
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Just a change of pace. I think I've had this avatar for a long time. Might go back to it eventually. But right now Sasha is inactive and Becky has the crown of best woman in WWE, IMO. Plus someone should rep Becky since klonere decided to stop.
 
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Totally off topic. That Suicide Squad trailer is pretty dope but holy fuck it was clearly trying to channel that same Guardians of the Galaxy vibe
 
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Fox318 said:
I'm not even sure what that means anymore.

boxers like Guillermo Rigondeaux are going to kill the popularity of the sport.
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That's a great question. No one ever goes "Hey I am a true boxing fan, let's watch some Klitschko because that sure as hell is entertaining!"
 
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The only real draws for the mainstream in boxing now are Pacquiao and Canelo. Everyone else, even guys like GGG and Fury who are great in their own right, are not resonating in the eyes of the general public.
 
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serenewarfare said:
The only real draws for the mainstream in boxing now are Pacquiao and Canelo. Everyone else, even guys like GGG and Fury who are great in their own right, are not resonating in the eyes of the general public.
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Sephzilla said:
I'll believe that in a year or two. Right now I don't believe he wouldn't come back if the payday is right.
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True, but man, with that much money, I wouldn't even bother. Spend the rest of my life spendin'.
 
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Even if you assume that Floyd might come back, that raises the total of mainstream boxing draws from two to maybe three. And the rest are basically unknowns. That's not a recipe for a healthy sport.
 
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Xater said:
That's a great question. No one ever goes "Hey I am a true boxing fan, let's watch some Klitschko because that sure as hell is entertaining!"
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I mean unless a boxing card is used to get a nationalistic pride match going nobody cares anymore.

Its not even a weight class thing it comes down to boxers wanting to book squash matches to improve a shallow record and fight for points.

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and nobody gave a fucking shit about his last fight.

Plus its not like he is gonna fight somebody like Canelo again or GGG.

is he gonna fight Maidana again?

What does it say about Floyd that if he announced he was fighting again nobody except his PR agent Stephen A Smith would be talking about it?

The politics of the sport are broken with people like Floyd, Arum, and Jay Z try to get involved.

You want to know what UFC gets right? The fight bonus and the fact they try and make their undercards fun and interesting. Plus the Vegas shit of people showing up only for the main fight ruins all fighting sports.
 
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Nobody cared about Floyd's last fight because he was fighting a nobody. Prime Hulk Hogan vs Heath Slater wouldn't generate many PPV buys either.
 
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Sephzilla said:
Nobody cared about Floyd's last fight because he was fighting a nobody. Prime Hulk Hogan vs Heath Slater wouldn't generate many PPV buys either.
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Who's the big name that he'd come back to fight? Damn sure won't be GGG, as Floyd wouldn't want that. A Canelo rematch? Maybe, but I don't see it. A Pacquiao rematch wouldn't draw anywhere near as much as the first. The options are thin even if he does come back.
 
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serenewarfare said:
Yeah, but what happens if/when Floyd doesn't come back and Pacquiao inevitably retires soon? Then you have one real draw. That's it.
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Others will step up and replace them. People said the same thing when Oscar was nearing the end of his run and nobody knew who Paq and Floyd were (and by that time both of them were veterans).
 
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Floyd admittedly hurt his drawing power by dodging some fights. Floyd's drawing power in recent years revolved around "can someone finally beat him?". Booking Floyd in a match where the opponent has no real shot loses appeal. Floyd was a more over heel than the entire WWE roster.
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
Others will step up and replace them. People said the same thing when Oscar was nearing the end of his run and nobody knew who Paq and Floyd were (and by that time both of them were veterans).
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Yeah but the problem now is that no one is buying fights other than the hardcores unless it's Mayweather or Pacquiao. The only reason Canelo became a mainstream star to the level that he is is because of his fight with Floyd. Where are the other stars going to come from when no one gives a shit about the undercards and the draws aren't fighting guys who are good enough or big enough to become draws themselves?
 
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serenewarfare said:
The only real draws for the mainstream in boxing now are Pacquiao and Canelo. Everyone else, even guys like GGG and Fury who are great in their own right, are not resonating in the eyes of the general public.
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I don't think it's about 'not resonating' at this juncture. GGG is on the rise, sells out MSG against complete no-names. He just needs a known fighter to volunteer their soul before he breaks through. Fury just now entered public consciousness.
 
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serenewarfare said:
Yeah but the problem now is that no one is buying fights other than the hardcores unless it's Mayweather or Pacquiao. The only reason Canelo became a mainstream star to the level that he is is because of his fight with Floyd. Where are the other stars going to come from when no one gives a shit about the undercards and the draws aren't fighting guys who are good enough or big enough to become draws themselves?
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Canelo was going to become a huge star with or without Floyd. Everyone knew this before the kid even turned 21. Giving Floyd credit for making him main stream is taking away credit from the brilliant promoting De La Hoya did on the Spanish networks.

Canelo is a product of amazing promotion. Not losing to Floyd in a one sided beat down.
 
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Heel said:
I don't think it's about 'not resonating' at this juncture. GGG is on the rise, sells out MSG against complete no-names. He just needs a known fighter to volunteer their soul before he breaks through. Fury just now entered public consciousness.
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I could see Fury being a bigger star now because of the way he beat Klitschko and the fact that he's a big talker, but the problem is that heavyweight is so devoid of legit guys to fight that he could soon end up like Floyd in that he won't be able to draw that well with weak opponents.

As for GGG, I think he has the potential to rise, but to me he only becomes a true superstar if the fight with Canelo gets made. The drawing power Canelo has can help build GGG up just like Mayweather built up Canelo.

I'm not saying boxing is doomed, just that they are on shaky ground and they need things to line up right for the next ten years to look like the last ten years.
 
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Farsi said:
Canelo was going to become a huge star with or without Floyd. Everyone knew this before the kid even turned 21. Giving Floyd credit for making him main stream is taking away credit from the brilliant promoting De La Hoya did on the Spanish networks.

Canelo is a product of amazing promotion. Not losing to Floyd in a one sided beat down.
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Agreed. There's a reason he's one of Floyd's biggest PPV numbers. He was well on his way before he swooped in.
 
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Farsi said:
Canelo was going to become a huge star with or without Floyd. Everyone knew this before the kid even turned 21. Giving Floyd credit for making him main stream is taking away credit from the brilliant promoting De La Hoya did on the Spanish networks.

Canelo is a product of amazing promotion. Not losing to Floyd in a one sided beat down.
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Would Canelo be selling without Floyd? Yeah. Would he be doing nearly a million PPV buys? No way. Canelo got eyes on him during the build to the Floyd fight that he simply wouldn't have gotten otherwise. That's just common sense. Without Floyd, I think Canelo would be on the GGG level right now, if not slightly above that.
 
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