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January Wrasslin' |OT| It's a New Year, Yes It Is!
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Honestly, most "top guys" historically have pretty limited move sets. Hogan had a very basic moveset (unless he was in Japan), same with Ultimate Warrior, Rock for most of his career, Austin's moveset got fairly limited after his injury, Undertaker has never had a very deep move set, Cena's moveset didn't have much depth to it until he started fighting people like Punk and Owens.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Cena easily had the best matches of the year in 2015.
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TarpitCarnivore
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I'm really confused by statements like this (not direct attack on you fyi). People complain that the WWE is bad with story telling and needs to push their main talent. Then there are people who make above statements and get hyped when these older guys come back. I know guys like Taker and Rock can still sell, but should we all be moved on from them by this point? What value does bringing any of these guys back do for the brand other than ratings and ticket sales?
I just watched the Beast of the East event and it made me realize that Kevin Owens is that legit heel they need. The guy who can say and work the crowd well, be a force in the ring and possibly get that Austin esque angle. I feel like they're afraid because he's too plain and not enough character.
I also really dig Balor's demon persona part of his character. I think it's the right amount of gimmick without going into the full blown WWE stylization of gimmicks. I know he might not be able to put seats in the arena right up front, but I definitely think he could carry the WWE if they just let him do his thing.
I know guys like Ambrose, Sheamus, Del Rio and so forth kind of have this feel but they just feel too schlocky and cartoony. Even Ambrose, this guy who is supposed to be CRAZY and WILD now just looks like a guy who is goofing it up with every sell.
CM Punk's potential opponent
1-0 professionally and 2-0 as an amateur
Mickey Gall
I mean did anyone expect anything else than some goober he can hopefully beat?
BTW: I'd watch Owens being a dick to Michael Cole for way longer.
Right now, entertainment.
The reason we haven't moved on from those guys yet is because basically nobody in the era that succeeded them managed to get even remotely as over as people like Austin or Rock or prime HHH. And when anyone starts to get any kind of real momentum that could vault them to the next level (Punk, Bryan, Sandow, or even Zack Ryder or Ziggler a few years ago) WWE kills all of their momentum.
I honestly don't mind Roman's look or the Superman Punch (when he's not spamming it). Roman's entire problem lies in the fact that creative doesn't write him consistently and he's getting Cena booking.
yea, remember when he pulled out that reverse springboard stunner, how cool it was?
that's why i said the bolded part. reading is hard
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nobody gets pushed other than Roman
I don't want any of the above to come back - it's more the depth of main event talent that existed that I was referring to. A good half dozen or more guys who could be in the main event picture.
I'd like to think that a completely damp-squib fucked-up Wrestlemania without big draws would be a kick up the backside for WWE to build up a strong entire roster in case this year of injuries happens again in future.
Then I remember this is WWE and my probably well-justified cynicism kicks in.
Then I remember this is WWE and my probably well-justified cynicism kicks in.
ElectricBlanketFire
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It's like a kid in little league jumping to catch a fly ball for no reason.
Well if he didn't do the flashy jump, it would probably look as boring and fucking lazy as Big Show's KO punch.
TarpitCarnivore
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Is it really entertaining though? It's just on my mind because I recently watched a 2000 WCW PPV and it was just awful to watch some of those older guys wrestle.
Reading isn't hard, you're just wrong.
Match quality would likely take a hit but most of the older guys cut exponentially better promos than most of the current roster. Even Cena, who's usually a solid promo, was completely out matched by Rock most of the time. Austin's totally-not-a-promo to Lesnar during one of those podcasts was one of the most talked about promos of the WWE year.
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If Sandow's still on the roster the week after Mania, I'll be surprised
So...Nakamura confirming he's coming to WWE. Fucking nuts.
My post from the other thread.
Cena out for Mania. Crazy times.
My post from the other thread.
Cena out for Mania. Crazy times.
Honestly, I think Roman would look good using the Jackhammer
Why do people care so much about a person's moveset? Just don't make moves look totally outlandish like the apron dropkick and its convoluted setup. Or if so, make it a very rare occurrence, like Shane or RVD doing the Van Terminator. Shawn Michaels had a running forearm, inverted atomic drop, top rope elbow drop, and a scoop slam. But none of that matters.
Cena's always tried to add more to his arsenal, all in while looking goofy as hell doing so. See him trying to apply an abdominal stretch or his fisherman suplex.
Cena's always tried to add more to his arsenal, all in while looking goofy as hell doing so. See him trying to apply an abdominal stretch or his fisherman suplex.
He was doing these in 1997.
I like the spear as Roman's finisher better, at least you can perceive that move as a finisher.
If we were going to change it though, give him a sit-out powerbomb variation.
Empyrean Heaven
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Just scored tickets to NXT Albany 2. JESUS ringside and floor went fast. We got basically hard camera side (if there was a hard camera)
Also good options.
The spear to me is a fun thing to do quickly, but if you want to setup the big finish I don't like it that much for that.
Aeternus Malum
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I like it when it's a surprise. Looks like a concussion waiting to happen though
CM Punk's potential opponent
1-0 professionally and 2-0 as an amateur
Mickey Gall
That's cool and all but...what's the finish?
The only time it's ever been a surprise to me is the first time he did it. Every time they do the spot now it's a painfully obvious setup. Same reason the 619 made me roll my eyes. Rey was usually much quicker to follow through though. When Roman does the drive-by the guy is just chilling there with his head over the apron for ages.
roman should use that powerbomb of his.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHGQODPR2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwRoR-sspHE
I mean Roman's not quite Big E/Kane/Cesaro/Cena strong and you can tell WWE wishes he was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHGQODPR2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwRoR-sspHE
I mean Roman's not quite Big E/Kane/Cesaro/Cena strong and you can tell WWE wishes he was.
Really don't remember it that much, was he using the sharpshooter then too?
I think he's strong enough that he can use it on people of equal size to him. He could use the Jackhammer to finish off people equal to him in size and use the spear for bigger guys.
Roman's strength is really weird. He has the look, but he's never had a feat of strength that made me go "woah"
Sin Cara 2 has had those feats tho. Dude is beast mode.
Lol he looks half the age of Punk and probably is.CM Punk's potential opponent
1-0 professionally and 2-0 as an amateur
Mickey Gall
TarpitCarnivore
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I feel like this is par for the course with the roster.
Moveset is typically shorthand for "I don't like the moves that wrestler does" or "I don't like that wrestler."
Because professional wrestling is scripted entertainment, it's about characters. A limited moveset that works for the character is more effective than an expansive moveset that contradicts what the character is trying to achieve. A huge wrestler doing top-rope moves should happen rarely and occupy one of two extremes, fail miserably or be downright devastating, because it adds the "pulling out all the stops to win" story hook. A smaller wrestler doing power moves (Seth Rollins and his various powerbombs) should happen rarely, not every damn match, and have the same extreme of outcomes, because it's either a rare feat of strength or a guy trying more than he's capable of.
Beyond that, a million moves is nice when it fits the character's style of a technician who beats his opponents that way. No one needs brawlers or brutes or giants or acrobats doing the moss covered, three handled family grudunzle. Let the Cesaros and Big Es toss people around in creative ways. Let the Seth Rollins out-athlete people. Let the Ambroses out-brawl people due to borderline psychopathy. Let someone with a Malenko/Hart/Benoit/Angle "amazing at professional wrestling" gimmick have the wider array of moves.
Well it's a much larger problem of how WWE book matches now for sure. But spots like the drive-by is not helping the matter.
A random match in 1997 (vs. Dude Love, coincidentally his first "Rock" showcase), he was doing the DDT, spinebuster, and the People's Elbow, although it was a mockery move at that point. Still in the Nation and has IC gold.
He was sort of like Cena in the early days. Both doing dropkicks, crossbody, Rocky's finisher being a shoulder breaker, more of an amateur style.
It comes down to how you work a match and how it's booked. Vince doesn't believe in wrestling though.
Just seeing this picture makes groan again...
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