ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
And proper asset streaming without traversal stutters.
You're barking at the wrong tree here, my current build is 1%'er
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Jez Corden: “There is no devkit for the next Xbox right now, the whole idea of the next Xbox is that it’s a PC but in a TV friendly shell”, 2027
You're barking at the wrong tree here, my current build is 1%'er
Topher
Identifies as young
That's my gut reaction to most Xbox rumors these days
He's a former MS employee too. He sides that way for other obvious reasons though. Namely promoting what steam has ties to, PC, windows, DX, day one releases, etc.
Topher
Identifies as young
He may or may not have a bias towards Xbox over PS but I don't think that governs his decisions on anything. The fact that he promotes Linux as a direct alternative to Windows speaks more loudly to me.
Using an actual handheld SoC and not some repurposed laptop chip.
rm082e
Member
The impression I've gotten from a few news blurbs over the last year is that they're working on emulators for all their previous consoles that will run on a new super bare-bones version of Windows. I have nothing to back that up because it's a news story here, a comment on a podcast there, etc. But that would make sense if they're going in the direction of building a gaming laptop in an SFF case. Have a team of people under Jason Ronald working to get a gaming optimized version of Windows and these emulators so the new box can play all previous Xbox games, but the new games will just be PC versions.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Steam Box but for Windows might actually work, because the OEM's will actually produce a variety of the things and they probably won't be terrible if they use the same chip as Steam Deck equivalents do
It won't be an Xbox or a console by any stretch of the imagination but if this is what makes MS get off their asses and finally make Windows not dogshit in every environment other than on the desktop then I'm all for it
It won't be an Xbox or a console by any stretch of the imagination but if this is what makes MS get off their asses and finally make Windows not dogshit in every environment other than on the desktop then I'm all for it
When the rumor is something negative about Xbox, it is usually true.
When it is something positive, it is usually a lie
I have already learned this by following the news about Xbox. Because Phill spends a lot of time trying to control the narrative on the internet and at the same time feed the fanaticism of Xbox fans on the internet
There is nothing really new.
So this rumor is very negative for Xbox fans, the fanatics that Phill tries to feed by telling them what they want to hear, so it must be true. It will be a pre-assembled PC that is much more expensive than an equivalent console that Xbox fanatics will find a way to invent some kind of "victory", even if they know it is a piece of crap.
I already know what the "victory" that Xbox fanboys will say on the internet will be:
"Suck it Sony, Xbox runs STEAM, EPIC Store, Xvideos, Pornhub, viruses, Trojan Horse and is full of *Stutter. Microsoft won, it is the vanguard of humanity"
*This may be the only real advantage and will be heralded as a supreme victory for the "xbox". MS will pre-compile the shaders and the game will not have stutter. Just like the Steam Deck
When it is something positive, it is usually a lie
I have already learned this by following the news about Xbox. Because Phill spends a lot of time trying to control the narrative on the internet and at the same time feed the fanaticism of Xbox fans on the internet
There is nothing really new.
So this rumor is very negative for Xbox fans, the fanatics that Phill tries to feed by telling them what they want to hear, so it must be true. It will be a pre-assembled PC that is much more expensive than an equivalent console that Xbox fanatics will find a way to invent some kind of "victory", even if they know it is a piece of crap.
I already know what the "victory" that Xbox fanboys will say on the internet will be:
"Suck it Sony, Xbox runs STEAM, EPIC Store, Xvideos, Pornhub, viruses, Trojan Horse and is full of *Stutter. Microsoft won, it is the vanguard of humanity"
*This may be the only real advantage and will be heralded as a supreme victory for the "xbox". MS will pre-compile the shaders and the game will not have stutter. Just like the Steam Deck
So basicaly it is a PC desktop with windows operating system and all the applications for work and studies like for example powerpoint, ms word, excel, adobe, autocad, etc? And GPU, and RAM, can be change like a regular PC? Well it will be strange to do my work on my sofa in front of my television 
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This will never happen. 25 years ago, my Linux PC with an end-user mechanical hard drive loaded an Unreal Tournament 2004 map 2x faster than a Windows PC with 2 server hard drives in RAID0. I believe the difference was the Linux file system, which was much better than Windows. The file system I used on my hard drive was RaiserFS, which was made by ONE person voluntarily.
Every time I changed Maps in UT2004 I spent the first 10 seconds of the match alone on the server waiting for all the other players to load the map on their wonderful Windows PCs with FAT32 or NTFS junk.
Windows has always been controlled by some idiot sycophant in a tie who only did the minimum possible so that MS could maintain its monopoly. Windows will never get better because Microsoft is incompetent and only stays where it is thanks to the monopoly of Office and partly Windows.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
So it's a steam deck but for TV use. Neat.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
PS6 is expected 2027. It's chip is taping later this year.Yep.
No console-style optimiziations, no custom hardware. I think this project will be DOA if it's like he's saying. He's even talking about the launch being @ 2027, which is 1 year away from when the PS6 is largely expected to launch. This is honestly a death knell for the project imo as it adds considerable risk of it being Dreamcasted.
I personally trustHeisenbergFX4 , if he says it's coming then it's coming (or at least his source has no reason to think it won't). But this feels very non-committal to me.
You can easily scrap an off-the-shelf parts order if there's no specific R&D happening for you there.
Sooner
Member
Sounds like the Steam Machine with Microsoft throwing the Xbox logo on their specific build.
I don't see how that is any different than Xbox being dead. It would be like Sony releasing a music store on phone and calling the app WalkMan and saying "40 years later Sony WalkMan is still going strong".
I don't see how that is any different than Xbox being dead. It would be like Sony releasing a music store on phone and calling the app WalkMan and saying "40 years later Sony WalkMan is still going strong".
clarky
Gold Member
We already have this, its called a pc.
Sooner
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Many dont want to game on a PC though
I dont believe the 2027 timeline unless something has happened
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clarky
Gold Member
True. Which is why this will fail.
There is no audience for this. Steam box already failed in this area.
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bitbydeath
Member
I don’t believe it’s about creating a new viable platform but rather a transition point to PC so that
-they can offer a way for people to keep their libraries;
-prevent people from being upset about the change; and
-give some reason to not jump instantly to PlayStation.
Trogdor1123
Member
I’d like this myself. I’d love a pc that works like a console. Being able to turn it on with a controller would be a super picture
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
I wouldn’t want the pc experience in a console, adding a web browser was done on the Dreamcast and became normal (Wii, ps3 etc.)
Live look at a pc gamer:
Live look at a pc gamer:
Plague Doctor
Member
Colt is on a mental health watch.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I too think its in trouble as I agree the market for this is tiny
There will be other options that are more traditional too though, I think Phil even said as much there was a traditional console coming
I know everyone thinks this is doa, but if it's going to sell for profit from the minute 1 and they can claim "the most powerful device evah" it'll have it's niche
How many Series X owners are already? Say a third of 20-25 million?
Imagine those will jump in, that's between 7-9 million in the course of a gen, it's better than just axe Xbox for good
How many Series X owners are already? Say a third of 20-25 million?
Imagine those will jump in, that's between 7-9 million in the course of a gen, it's better than just axe Xbox for good
But if it's a PC "the most powerful device ever" is just the latest AMD X3D CPU + latest NVIDIA RTX 90-class GPU.
Topher
Identifies as young
I know everyone thinks this is doa, but if it's going to sell for profit from the minute 1 and they can claim "the most powerful device evah" it'll have it's niche
How many Series X owners are already? Say a third of 20-25 million?
Imagine those will jump in, that's between 7-9 million in the course of a gen, it's better than just axe Xbox for good
If it is a PC then it won't be "most powerful" anything though. It needs to have a hook that makes it a compelling purchase. "Most powerful" has been tried a couple of times by Microsoft and failed. They need to try something new. Unless, they are just making hardware for the sake of making hardware.
And the next Xbox won't be that unless someone really screwed up and put
OverHeat
in charge of Xbox next gen hardware. 
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I know a PC will run circles around it even before it launches, but they are going to brand it Xbox something and pretend it's just a powerful console with "Windows features" or something like that which I guess they think it's the hook
Aimed at their core consumer base, it'll sell some
Hawkeye2890
Member
Same. I will absolutely buy this.
Insanemaelstrom
Member
Well if the discord rumour( that has been proven true multiple times) is to be believed, the next Xbox will probably have hp, dell or assus logos. Xbox will lay down specification for the hardware but it will be third party manufacturers who make it. Kind of like the 3do
awwr999999
Member
Keep selling PS5s while they R&D their way out of the AMD/AMD HW hole and back to proprietary SONY/SONY HW game consoles.
PS needs to be a pure console born from an alternate family tree outside of the PC's evolution.
We have this in the PlayStation and PlayStation2 but lost it with the PS3/4/5 which are PCs to the point of needing USB to connect their controllers.
PS reborn as a pure console - booting into games directly, proprietary things (CPU/GPU, plug-in controllers, memory cards, stands, etc.), an updated XMB and an updated version of PS2's visual save system.
The list of proprietary features and things the next PS console has (things PCs don't have) needs to be at least as long as it is for the PS2 console.
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bruno_shady
Neo Member
We're gonna be fucked by Sony 
reinking
Gold Member
Why? Sony will still have Nintendo and PC to compete with. I like that people are rallying around the company that was going to "Spend PlayStation out of business" as the one that is going to save us from evil Sony.We're gonna be fucked by Sony
RafterXL
Member
Sure, but if you are console only player why would you buy this over whatever PS will put out at the same time? I've bought every Xbox console since the 360, including refreshes like the One X, day one. Regardless of what people though of them, there was always some value proposition to be had, either games, or features, or hardware. I don't see anything that Microsoft could bring to the table with new hardware that would cause me to buy the next Xbox. I'm honestly struggling to find the value in Xbox hardware in 2025, much less 2-3 years from now.
We've been getting fucked by Sony for years, this will be nothing new.We're gonna be fucked by Sony
I collect VHS tapes
Member
It feels like PC gamers come out the winner here
Codeblew
Member
Kind of like we are getting fucked by Nvidia?We're gonna be fucked by Sony
PurePlatinum
Member
Idk what any OEMS incentive is going to be to build hardware here. The reason Sony can do the hardware is making money back on games. Dell / HP making Xbox’s isn’t going to make them any money.
Mister Wolf
Member
Looking forward to seeing it. The only point of contention is if they allow Steam OS on it.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
It would certainly be interesting to see xbox machines go from closed platform to open. If it had some tv friendly UI thats basically just windows and you could steam, it could be pretty cool.
But i drastically prefer pcs to consoles. To the point I'm never buying consoles again, and wouldn't buy a pc-lite anyway.
But i drastically prefer pcs to consoles. To the point I'm never buying consoles again, and wouldn't buy a pc-lite anyway.
Cakeboxer
Member
Would absolutely consider buying it then.
Madserb2023
Member
I'm theory a console/hybrid Xbox is a good idea. You will ironically be able to play Xbox, PC, and PlayStation games on it. However, Xbox's problem has alwats been the execution. Just look at the Xbox One with the always online etc. That's how it is now on consoles..
Team Andromeda
Member
Fab, sounds like Xbox is going back to the OG Xbox tech which was PC tech in a BIG Console box. Hope this means Xbox is getting rid of the SOC and will now have a separate CPU and GPU for power and that we won't have to mod the next box to get all the brilliant media functions like on the old OG Xbox.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
When someone tells you they can deliver something perfect that has never been done before, you should question why it hasn't been done before.
There are some new things that have happened to even make this possible such as Sony releasing games on PC in addition to Xbox, but Sony isn't going to put their games on the Microsoft Store, so this device would have to let you use Steam.
If it lets you use Steam, Microsoft makes ZERO money from game sales. So where will they make their money from? It has to come from hardware. So this device is going to cost a premium.
I would assume what they'll do is put out at least 3 different models. An entry, intermediate, and high end model, but that Series S equivalent isn't going to exist, because Microsoft will charge at least 150-200 dollars premium on every device.
I'd also assume they'll release a gaming laptop series as well. Similarly with premiums.