Jian Gomeshi arrested for sexual assault and choking. Lawsuit against CBC dropped.

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What's Ghomeshi's side of the story?

edit nm found it https://www.facebook.com/jianghomeshi/posts/10152357063881750
While you're reading it, remember that it was written by Navigator, a specially contracted crisis management PR agency.

Also remember that for 12 hours after it was published, the narrative was that he had been fired for his sexual activities and not for alleged sexual abuse -- and, in fact, that alleged sexual abuse took up a total of TWO SENTENCES in his "side of the story" while the outrageous explanation of his bedroom antics took up hundreds of words.

It was designed to distract people and get us talking about the fact that he's into BDSM and not the fact that he may have sexually and physically abused multiple women.
 
In Canada accusing someone in print of this stuff is a very, very, serious thing, as whether innocence until proven guilty trumps freedom of the press here most of the time.

That being said it looks like he's totally fucked if charges are being brought by more than one person, and no crisis management PR firm is going to save his ass.
 
While you're reading it, remember that it was written by Navigator, a specially contracted crisis management PR agency.

Also remember that for 12 hours after it was published, the narrative was that he had been fired for his sexual activities and not for alleged sexual abuse -- and, in fact, that alleged sexual abuse took up a total of TWO SENTENCES in his "side of the story" while the outrageous explanation of his bedroom antics took up hundreds of words.

It was designed to distract people and get us talking about the fact that he's into BDSM and not the fact that he may have sexually and physically abused multiple women.

Could i get a link where it says a PR firm was hired to write it up?
 
from the star article:

The Star had several detailed interviews with each of the three women, who said they experienced violence from Ghomeshi without consent, and with the former CBC employee, who complained of verbal and physical harassment in the workplace.
The women now accusing Jian Ghomeshi of violence began as his fans. Two had very similar early experiences with him. After Ghomeshi met them at public events, which he had promoted on CBC Radio, he contacted them through Facebook and asked them on dates. They eagerly accepted.
Each woman said she remembers Ghomeshi being initially sweet and flattering, then later suggesting or hinting at violent sex acts. When they failed to respond or expressed displeasure, they recalled Ghomeshi dismissing his remarks as “just fantasies,” reassuring them he wouldn’t ask them to do anything they weren’t comfortable with. The women deny that “safe words” were employed in the relationship.
In one woman’s case, she visited Ghomeshi at his Toronto home and alleges as soon as she walked into his house he suddenly struck her hard with his open hand, then continued to hit her and choked her. The woman alleges Ghomeshi repeatedly beat her about the head and choked her.
The Star’s interviews of the women were lengthy. The women, all educated and employed, said Ghomeshi’s actions shocked them.
Another woman, who described a similar alleged attack, said that in the lead-up to their date Ghomeshi “warned me he would be aggressive.”
“I thought this meant he would want to pull my hair and have rough sex. He reassured me that I wouldn’t be forced. (Later) he attacked me. Choked me. Hit me like I didn’t know men hit women. I submitted.”
None of the women has contacted police. When asked why by the Star, the women cited several reasons including fears that a police report would expose their names and worries that their consent or acceptance of fantasy role-play discussions in text or other messages with Ghomeshi would be used against them as evidence of consent to actual violence.
Only one of the alleged victims worked at the CBC. She never dated Ghomeshi. She alleges he approached her from behind and cupped her rear end in the Q studio, and that he quietly told her at a story meeting that he wanted to “hate f---” her.
The woman said she complained about Ghomeshi’s behaviour to her union representative, who took the complaint to a Q producer. As the woman recalls, the producer asked her “what she could do to make this a less toxic workplace” for herself. No further action was taken by the CBC, and the woman left the broadcaster shortly thereafter.
 
Man, these sordid details, never thought i'd see this from a Canadian story, but then again we had Ford break the mould for that.
 
The "hit me like I didnt know men hit women" line, i this post-Ray Rice world, is gonna see a lotta play. Obviously we dont have the full story. My best guess? I think Gomeshi discussed with these women rough sex and role-playing. I think he got their consent, without going into specifics. And I think when the time came, he might have taken advantage of that vagueness. Rape? Nah. But a definite bendingof consent.
 
He dated the daughter of a prof of mine at York. She did not have nice things to say about him. Her daughter was also much younger than him.
 
The "hit me like I didnt know men hit women" line, i this post-Ray Rice world, is gonna see a lotta play. Obviously we dont have the full story. My best guess? I think Gomeshi discussed with these women rough sex and role-playing. I think he got their consent, without going into specifics. And I think when the time came, he might have taken advantage of that vagueness. Rape? Nah. But a definite bendingof consent.

I think he's just being targeted because he's famous and a little bit creepy. Like Bryan Singer.

I think I'll wait to see what comes of this before I give him a pass.
 
Your last sentence doesn't make a lot of sense. They should be investigated, that much is certain.
Well, what I'm saying is that, likely, the only realistic source of "investigations" into this is going to be an attempt to see if there are more accounts exactly like the ones that are being dismissed here. You can't rely on physical evidence to gauge when someone's personal consent either has not been given or when it's been broken. When a woman says that her trust and body has been violated, you have to take that seriously. The percentage of cases where these types of accusations turn out to be false are actually extremely small when you're just talking about one accuser. Here you have multiple independent allegations, so you really have to get into crazy conspiracy town in order to defend Ghomeshi. Lastly, it's these types of dismissals of a woman's idea of consent that makes it so much more difficult for victims to report their abusers. If you're interested in making the world a safer place for women, then yes, you do need to take these claims seriously.

I'm not saying that there's just cause here to convict and incarcerate Ghomeshi. But a lost job and public tarnishing seems fair given the number of allegations.
 
Heard about this last night. I'm an American and have watched his interviews on YouTube, have always found them to be good. Kind of surprised he is such a douchebag.
 
While you're reading it, remember that it was written by Navigator, a specially contracted crisis management PR agency.

Also remember that for 12 hours after it was published, the narrative was that he had been fired for his sexual activities and not for alleged sexual abuse -- and, in fact, that alleged sexual abuse took up a total of TWO SENTENCES in his "side of the story" while the outrageous explanation of his bedroom antics took up hundreds of words.

It was designed to distract people and get us talking about the fact that he's into BDSM and not the fact that he may have sexually and physically abused multiple women.
Seems like this PR company is pretty shit because that statement is not helping his case IMO. Even that narrative sort of opens people's eyes to how abuse could occur.
 
In Canada accusing someone in print of this stuff is a very, very, serious thing, as whether innocence until proven guilty trumps freedom of the press here most of the time.

That being said it looks like he's totally fucked if charges are being brought by more than one person, and no crisis management PR firm is going to save his ass.

In Canada it's a little different. I forget the court case, but if a news outlet can prove it attempted to verify the sources as best as it could, and that the information published was in "the public interest" that's enough. That's why The Star was able to say there was a crack video even though everyone denied it and The Star had no proof.

Notably, in the UK, the truth isn't a defence for libel, so putting anything in print over there is super cereal.

Ironically, Canada's reporting is usually pretty good despite the rules being set up a little backwards.

We have any LIGHTS fans in the house?

In my twelve years of working with and knowing Jian Ghomeshi, he has not only been a brilliant manager to my career, but a creative confidant, wise advisor and dear friend. He is passionate, sensitive, as bright as they come, has incredible drive and vision, and is the hardest working man I know. A complete gentleman.

Jian is not an example of someone who is abusive or misogynistic, in fact, he has always preached to the empowerment and limitless strength of women to me. I am who I am, with the strength that I have, largely due to his guidance. It is not my business or anyone else's what someone does in their private time and it's unfair that his is being broadcast to the world. For shame.

I am angry that CBC made the decision they did and I believe it to be a great mistake. I am angry that some are so quick to judge someone so graceful and brilliant who has made such an impact in my life, and in the lives of many others. I love you, Jian. You're my super hero.

Pretty much my stance as well. Singer was railroaded pretty hard before anything was even confirmed. I'm guilty of taking part in that. Won't make the same mistake twice.

I had a friend who, in the 90s, said they had met Singer and told me some creepy stories, and that was before this recent spate of rumors. Heard the same stories about Jian, but those were all second-hand, and mostly after the XOJane thing hit.
 
It's so creepy to see an intelligent media personality that seemed so informed by their their awareness of the world and its surrounding politics and cultures end up being essentially another sociopath abusing power.
 
Dudes pretty perverted... but it's also pretty sketchy to be fired and have someone leak all his private bedroom details to the public.. but then again.. as a public figure he had to know that there is always a risk of it coming out. You can't really hide that kind of thing for a long time when it involved multiple people.

Personally, I love his show and thought for the most part he was a great interviewer. He wasn't always perfect, but he had a way to break through to a lot of people and get good interviews.. and the type of people he got on the show was great.

Hopefully, Brambury get's more play as he's my favorite guest host.. but I also missed Jian on the weeks he was off.

So far it sounds like it'd be really hard to prosecute this sort of thing.. especially if he has messages basically proving consent of some sort.. and it really depends on if they continued to go back.
 
1) The public preemptively calling all four women "jilted ex-girlfriends" is exactly what his long-winded and self-victimizing statement on Facebook was designed to set in motion.

2) Comparing this to Bryan Singer is fruitless, since none of the women in this case have asked for money.

I'm not saying the situations are perfectly analogous, or his statements are without practical motive. I am saying only that I jumped the gun previously, and will not be doing so again hopefully.
 
I'm a Canadian and the vast majority of my friends are comedians, in media or in politics - this story is all I am seeing on Facebook and twitter.

Was interesting seeing how many facebook friends unliked Ghomeshi's post as soon as the Star story was published a few hours later as if they never considered there was another side of the story than his.
 
I have no idea about Ghomeshi's sex life but he was always a shining example of the talentless hacks that exist in Canadian media. Somebody that was good at the networking and otherwise without ability.
 
I was flabbergasted this morning. I listen to his show a lot... not that I especially like his interviewing style (yep, the "buh-bye" thing that he does is weird) but the subjects are always pretty varied and align to my tastes.

I understand it, but it's hard to have imagined that he would sue the CBC, whom he has defended and advocated for more funding, for so much money.

I won't completely trust the allegations, but I'm slightly leaning that way right now.

By the way...

Financial Post: Jian Ghomeshi’s CBC lawsuit is hopeless — even if he’s telling the truth
 
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I'm 83% sure that's about Jian.
 
Don't read Christie Blatchford's diatribe against the unnamed victims in the National Post. Do yourself a favour.
 
A friend of Ghomeshi posted this:

I was challenged by a friend to say something about the recent allegations against Jian Ghomeshi.

Jian is my friend. I have appeared twice on Q. But there is no grey area here. Three women have been beaten by Jian Ghomeshi.

I have sat with Jian over drinks and discussed our respective anxiety disorders. We have been photographed hugging on camera.

Just ten days ago, I helped him find musicians for his father’s funeral. Three women have said that Jian beat them without their consent.

“We will never really know what happened.” Yes we do. Jian beat, at the very least, three women. Three women said so. “They were jilted exes.” Maybe so. They were beaten by Jian.

“They were freelance writers looking to get ahead.” Three women were beaten by Jian Ghomeshi.

At no point here will I ever give my friend Jian’s version of the truth more creedence than the version of the truth offered up by three women. Anonymity does not mean these women do not exist.

“They were engaged in BDSM role-play.” This: this is something I need to talk about.

The beauty of BDSM relationships is that the power is always in the hands of the sub. BDSM and choke play is a subversion of male violence.

To hear that anybody has been abusing the BDSM power relationship for the purpose of engaging in non-consensual violence-against-women is horrifying.

That is not the point of BDSM. BDSM is in fact about the exact opposite thing. It is about repurposing acts of violence into creating a power dynamic of fucking EQUALITY.

As for the rest. I have seen my Facebook feed littered with comments about how “for years we’ve known Jian to be a shady character.”

I too have heard endless rumours that he’s been a bad date, and have heard stories of shadiness and strange behaviour.

I have heard about his ridiculous pick-up lines and have (to my shame) tittered about them with my friends. But I have never heard, until today, that Jian Ghomeshi beats women.

I am skeptical of arts reporting. I am skeptical of Canadian journalism. I am sensitive toward shaming of people who are so-called sexual deviants.

But let’s be clear. Whether the court decides that predatory men are punished or exonerated does not silence the voices of the victims. It does not make victims liars.

Whether our culture continues to celebrate the works of predatory men is another issue. It does not silence the voices of the victims.

Jian Ghomeshi is my friend, and Jian Ghomeshi beats women. How our friendship will continue remains to be seen.

https://www.facebook.com/owenpalletteternal/posts/1491910081073780
 
I dont think losing your job over a sex scandal that could reflect badly on a Canadian Institution is worth 50 million dollars. 50 million dollars. Thats a shit load of hubris.

Maybe if he then donated it to some charities helping the struggling economy of our country. But he thinks he is worth 50 Million dollars. J Lo's ass wasnt worth 50 million and at least I know who she is.
 
The root of Ghomeshi's complaint appears to be:
- Pierre Trudeau decriminalized homosexuality so it's not OK to fire someone for ??? wait this has nothing to do with anything
- He voluntarily and pre-emptively disclosed details about his relationship to CBC
- They were satisfied the allegations were false
- Nonetheless, they terminated him because of possible perception issues related to the story breaking.
- This appears to be one of his complaints: that he was fired despite being forthcoming with the CBC--but this makes no sense. If he agrees that he was fired for cause, then I'm not sure why disclosing the information that would lead to him being fired for cause somehow means he can't be fired for cause?
- The CBC's termination statement slightly differed from the agreed upon language in that it suggests Ghomeshi was fired rather than consciously uncoupling or whatever
- This appears to be another one of his complaints: that they said he was fired rather than saying they mutually ended their relationship. This seems like a slightly stronger case, but I can't imagine the people who made the public statement had signed any contractual non-disclosure thing. I know that companies typically avoid talking about firing someone, but it's not illegal to do so, and given that they didn't actually say what the information was, I don't know how it could possibly be defamatory?

I don't really understand his case. I'm not a lawyer, but even if we start from the assumption that the CBC thought he wasn't guilty of any wrongdoing, what's his case?
 
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