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Joe Biden predicts he will run for president in 2020, but not yet 'committed'
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Is this real life?
She lost to a joke candidate. I don't give a shit how much she lost by, it's embarrassing.
Is this what liberals are telling themselves to feel better about their party? Holy shit.
Bonen no Max'd
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I'm fine with Biden but I want one of the new/young faces to run. Harris or Masto would be great, or maybe Klobuchar (though she's obviously on the older side and isn't new).
That said, trying to say what's electorally feasible in 2020 is a bad idea no matter how tempting it is to do so. I'm guilty of it, but trying to say "we can't do establishment, that's broken" is not a great idea since we have no idea what 2020 will look like.
That said, trying to say what's electorally feasible in 2020 is a bad idea no matter how tempting it is to do so. I'm guilty of it, but trying to say "we can't do establishment, that's broken" is not a great idea since we have no idea what 2020 will look like.
Intheflorsh
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I hate to say it, but we need someone younger that doesn't have decades of baggage that could be used against them.
The argument was "politics don't matter because Trump won." It's important to recognize that significantly more people voted for Hillary. How could politics not matter if the politician got more votes?
Frozenprince
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And done.
I don't care about how embarrassed something makes you feel. I care about what actually happened.
Lots of factors played into an incredibly, incredibly narrow electoral loss. The problem isn't policy.
Stumpokapow
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Right guy, wrong time. 78 is too old. Pass.
So I guess I can also pin this shit on Obama for shoehorning in an unlikeable candidate leading to our country going to shit.
Pop-O-Matic
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RPGCrazied
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Bernie too, he will be like 74 in 4 years.
John Rabbit
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Wish he had run this year.
PdotMichael
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We could try again with Clinton
bodyofanamerican
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Who's the Missouri Dem everyone's high on, again?
No... It's not important to recognize that. Is she the president or not?
Winning California by a bajillion votes doesn't really help her very much, does it?
It appears no one wants to look introspectively here- Her loss was a repudiation against establishment candidates and what people perceive to be elitists who don't give a shit about them (among other things). This party needs to refocus, and move on from establishment candidates.
Sanders was right- She should have won by 10 points. I don't care how many votes she gets, she still lost. Enough.
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Jason Kander
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Sarcasm? She is done man. I voted for her, think she would have been way better than Trump. But its over.
Kander, but he lost his race. He'll need to win whatever race he challenges for in 2 years to be able to have a platform to launch from. (Though he's super young and probably better off waiting a few, since Dems do not like repeats.)
Clinton received more votes than any other presidential candidate to date and had the popular vote... But she didn't get the Rust Belt, Florida, etc. and therefore lost the electoral vote.
Only four times in history has the popular vote been the inverse of the electoral vote and this is by far the largest margin yet.
She likely won't run again, but it's important to note how everything happened.
bodyofanamerican
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That's the guy. Wonder what we see from him in the next four years.
If I'm him I wait it out, don't chance losing another election, and see what the POTUS roster looks like on the Dem side.
Good Job Bob
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I think a bunch of people are going to run. I would be very surprised if there was another "invisible primary" that narrowed the field heavily after what happened this year.
Back-In-Black
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Thank Jebus, Biden is the only one at the moment I believe can save us.
Dylan Sexbang
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Sweeney Tom
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Save us Joe
Where the fuck do I go to volunteer, I'll sign up today
Where the fuck do I go to volunteer, I'll sign up today
Then the party is truly screwed.
Alcoremortis
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Dems need to run with Tammy Duckworth. I would pay real money to watch Trump try to argue that he has real military experience with her in the room.
Other establishment types (Obama, Bill Clinton, Biden, Bernie) were screaming at Hillary behind the scenes to get away from major cities to speak to rural voters. Just because Hillary screwed up doesn't mean the country hates the establishment. How many senators won re-election? How many Representative? Governors? Mayors? There wasn't major upheaval last month. You're taking one presidential loss as a widespread condemnation of the status quo instead of looking at the most obvious reason -- Hillary wasn't a good candidate.
Kilau
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I know I read that HRC was thinking of running again.
How does Biden get an F from the NRA?
He told people to buy shotguns and fire them out their back door to scare prowlers away.
How does Biden get an F from the NRA?
He told people to buy shotguns and fire them out their back door to scare prowlers away.
One presidential loss??
State governerships? Senate? House?
Are we going to ignore the fact that the party got slaughtered by Trump and a dysfunctional Republican party? Looks like it.
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Biden is the right choice for 2020 if Trump is doing "ok" or great; someone new won't beat Trump in that context. If Trump is doing horribly, Biden or someone new is fine, Biden would have good chances, and people need to realize it's more important for the Dems to win than get the ideal candidate.
You do realize that democrats gained ground in Congress, right? And no one is ignoring that the Republicans control most of America's government now. I have no idea why you think that's the case.
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Evil Monkey DTT
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Joe please save us, we need you!
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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So we should just ignore the concept of math going forward because one asshole managed to erk out a victory?
Mighty Chin
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Narrow margins in 3-4 states won it for Trump. Overall he got trounced. This was a 30 year smear campaign come to fruition.
Back-In-Black
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I should have added, at the moment.
Seriously, who else is there?
Sanders? He's older than dirt and lost the primaries to Hilary. I don't want to hear about what could've been had he went against Trump because he lost the primaries and not even by a little.
Booker? Dude's closet is so full of skeletons he's lucky he hasn't buried himself already.
Warren? Also old and not as charismatic as people would like to believe. She's done well so far but would likely trip over herself on the national stage.
Ellison? C'mon now, you know he ain't winning no Presidential election.
Has this become 'lowered expectations- the thread'?
Democrats were supposed to retake the executive branch and the Senate. There was even an outside shot at the House at one point, though that was always a pipe dream.
Again- The party got soundly defeated by a Trump 'led' (if you can call it that) Republican party. Moral victories mean jack shit.
...Whew. Okay. You guys do you.
Cesare Borgia
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This is literally not true and is repeated in every god damn DNC/Biden/democrat/etc thread.
Obama simply laid out the facts, which were that the entire democrat establishment was behind Clinton and he didn't want to see Biden get embarrassed. It's not particularly different from what happened to Romney, where Bush consolidated much of the establishment money and pushed Romney out of running.
If Biden's son hadn't passed he would have run. And he would have lost to Clinton.
An ant-Hillary smear campaign combined with widespread voter suppression and a poorly run campaign by Clinton. That's the most concise explanation for what happened.
Not at all. I'm trying to make sure we know the facts. You said democrats got slaughtered so I pointed out that they gained ground in Congress.
Obama didn't sit him down and tell him face to face not to run, but he had aides subtly, and then more overtly, discourage Biden from mounting a bid.
And frankly, he waited too long anyway. October was way too late to mount a bid, by which point the vast majority of the party support had already gone to Hillary. Biden wouldn't be playing insurgent outsider; he'd need the establishment support structure that Hillary had already taken.
BECAUSE THE SENATE IS IMPORTANT
Warren can serve in the Senate for years and years and years. As president, she is done after eight. She's one of the Democratic Party's most important figureheads now. Keep her in a position where she can do some good, and where the party can, slowly, inch back up to control.
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I'm not saying that there are no lessons to be learned from this election but you do understand why paying attention to margins is an important part of figuring out what went wrong right?
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