I wonder if Spider-Verse will at least hint at the incursions happening.
Does Spider-Man appear in this series at all?
I wonder if Spider-Verse will at least hint at the incursions happening.
I wonder if Spider-Verse will at least hint at the incursions happening.
Does Spider-Man appear in this series at all?
Nope. He shows up in Avengers a couple of times but never in New Avengers.Does Spider-Man appear in this series at all?
dunno. I've always been in favor of Doom as #1, if for no other reason than Reed is totally useless when it comes to magic and victor isn't.
edit: Doom has mad thinker on his squad in NA #24 though, and that guy is no slouch. questionable whether Doom could have done it all on his own.
Considering some characters like Wiccan rank pretty high in the magic world without being especially intelligent, I don't think there is a strong correlation there. Some of it is study, but a lot of it seems to rely on talent.
I also wouldn't be so sure that the Illuminati are as in the dark as you suggest. Black Panther, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Amadeus Cho, Beast, Black Bolt, Dr. Strange, Iron Man (though he might be out of the Illuminati at that point), and Captain Britain make for a pretty formidable group. Who knows what they have been up to.
Considering some characters like Wiccan rank pretty high in the magic world without being especially intelligent, I don't think there is a strong correlation there. Some of it is study, but a lot of it seems to rely on talent.
I also wouldn't be so sure that the Illuminati are as in the dark as you suggest. Black Panther, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Amadeus Cho, Beast, Black Bolt, Dr. Strange, Iron Man (though he might be out of the Illuminati at that point), and Captain Britain make for a pretty formidable group. Who knows what they have been up to.
After the timeskip? they're clueless.
They're on the run from SHIELD AND Susan Richards, so we can assume they have no access to any of the Avengers Tech, Shield's Tech, or anything in the baxter building. Tony stark has gone missing and no one knows where he is. Amadeus Cho was trying to steal information so they would have access to SOME of Tony's knowledge, but that plan has gone tits up.
so BP has no tech, and no backup.Wakanda has been blown to smithereens and was a graveyard sometime before Avengers 24.
The mapmakers gained most of their information by skipping through the multiverse during incursions and gathering data. We also know that the Cabal have been the ones involved in the incursions and the illuminati are nowhere near them.
The illuminati are in no position to know much of anything. No money, no resources, no permanent bases.
Even if that is currently the case. This is still their book. Hickman's Doom was pretty balanced in his Fantastic Four run. I doubt very much if he lets Doom wrap up everything with a neat bow solo in this.
I wonder if Doom is satisfied with being master of not only just science and magic-does he dabble in other skills? Cooking? A musical instrument?
Oh, something is going to happen- doom will run into something he didn't anticipate and his hubris will do him in, as usual.
I don't see him willingly teaming up with Richards and crew though. I think the resolution of this is going to be another massive "company wide" crossover like infinity, where everyone is all in from the Xmen on up to the GOTG. It won't be just the illuminati riding in to save things at the last minute with a great idea.
Keep in mind that outside of the incursions, time is still broken thanks to age of ultron, and there have been references to the universe "wanting to die" independently of the incursions. Something else is going on here.
Lol, I just finished reading New Avengers 24 and came to GAF looking for the comic thread to say how much I love this comic and just found this thread!
New Avengers is the best book Marvel is publishing right now, and frankly the best book in the stands IMO!
Great job Hickman!
I wonder if Doom is satisfied with being master of not only just science and magic-does he dabble in other skills? Cooking? A musical instrument?
what a silly ideaSounds like a crisis among an infinite number of earths.
what a silly idea
IS this a different Terrax? He is surprisingly lucid.
I thought 616 terrax was killed in the opening of AvX? When kid-nova is off warning planets about the phoenix.
Different Terrax. He's Terrax, the Truly Enlightened, he was captured by the Illuminati when they experienced their 3rd incursion.I thought 616 terrax was killed in the opening of AvX? When kid-nova is off warning planets about the phoenix.
We need a Stump approved Molecule Man vs. Franklin Richards vs. The Sentry thread!
Doom is confirmed to be "sorcerer supreme" candidate level in terms of his magic skill, on top of being one of the top 5 or so scientists on the planet. that does give him some extra points.
We need a Stump approved Molecule Man vs. Franklin Richards vs. The Sentry thread!
well, sentry>molecule man
so its just franklin vs sentry
I remember in Waid's FF Dr. Strange says that Doom isn't nearly on his level as far as magic goes. Has this been retconned?
well, sentry>molecule man
so its just franklin vs sentry
I'm not caught up on this, but these series' leading into Axis is one of the more interesting events I've seen in a while.
Oh, something is going to happen- doom will run into something he didn't anticipate and his hubris will do him in, as usual.
I don't see him willingly teaming up with Richards and crew though. I think the resolution of this is going to be another massive "company wide" crossover like infinity, where everyone is all in from the Xmen on up to the GOTG. It won't be just the illuminati riding in to save things at the last minute with a great idea.
Keep in mind that outside of the incursions, time is still broken thanks to age of ultron, and there have been references to the universe "wanting to die" independently of the incursions. Something else is going on here.
Sounds like a crisis among an infinite number of earths.
nah. MM is better by orders of magnitude. All that shit he pulled in secret wars? still canon.
Sentry only managed to kill him because MM was breaking down and out of his mind at the time.
Maximus used a microscopic sonic drill to see if a little air would speed up Corvus Glaive's slow regeneration. Soooo yeah.... it pretty much did.How did Namor free Thanos from the Sekiha My Dad Hates Me Tenkyoken ?
I remember in Waid's FF Dr. Strange says that Doom isn't nearly on his level as far as magic goes. Has this been retconned?
Reed not asking for help would have resulted in two universes being destroyed. No matter how it went down Namor's plan was the better of two options.Praise Namor???! It's Namor's fault that the Cabal is what it is. The whole thing backfired in his face more than Reed not asking Doom for help.And now since the Cabal is running loose like that, Namor goes to ask Doom for help like the little wimp he is. Even Doom noticed that he was less than a man.
Namor is fucked.
Praise Namor???! It's Namor's fault that the Cabal is what it is. The whole thing backfired in his face more than Reed not asking Doom for help.And now since the Cabal is running loose like that, Namor goes to ask Doom for help like the little wimp he is. Even Doom noticed that he was less than a man.
Namor is fucked.
It's no worse to what Black Panther did. Black Panther's actions led to Namor making a desperate move to save the 616 universe, leading to the birth of The Cabal 2.0. And its all thanks to Black Panther. This is the only comic I've come close to reading which includes The Black Panther apart from Civil War where he joined forces with Cpt. America. I've read how people praise Black Panther for whatever reason which I can't remember. And as for Namor he had always been difficult to judge since his decisions can be sometimes questionable or ambiguous although when he decides something he sticks with it or until he's fed up(Cyclops recruiting Namor).
Also, Namor's actions kept the 616 universe alive for a while, thus buying enough time for Doom to find the culprit. Where as Black Panther doomed the 616 universe temporarily. The Illuminati should have never kept to themselves in the first place, for them to name themselves as the smartest beings that earth has to offer(Or whoever called themselves that), the dumbest thing they did was to not seek help. I'm viewing Reed, Stark, Banner and Black Bolt the same level as Black Panther. I wonder what would Shuri would have done? I really want to see the Avengers kicking The Illuminati's teeth in
I think crying and begging for help is entirely different and BP did the crying part pretty well, I almost welled up myself T_T
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Its not Namor's fault entirely. I'd put my finger with the whole Illuminati thing
Since when did Doom became a sort-of-a neutral character?
When everyone else became worseIts not Namor's fault entirely. I'd put my finger with the whole Illuminati thing
Since when did Doom became a sort-of-a neutral character?
Its not Namor's fault entirely. I'd put my finger with the whole Illuminati thing
Since when did Doom became a sort-of-a neutral character?
When everyone else became worse
Namor should got back to being a CEO, he is a terrible superhero, and a worse supervillian.
What do you expect from a person who goes from saying "I am the greatest man I know" to sobbing in Doom's castle? At this point getting murdered by BP would be a mercy.
Now now, current namor may be pathetic, but he still had the balls to do what needed doing at the time. Tchalla just bawled his eyes out.
Now now, current namor may be pathetic, but he still had the balls to do what needed doing at the time. Tchalla just bawled his eyes out.
Still doesn't compare to what Namor has done.Now now, current namor may be pathetic, but he still had the balls to do what needed doing at the time. Tchalla just bawled his eyes out.
Now now, current namor may be pathetic, but he still had the balls to do what needed doing at the time. Tchalla just bawled his eyes out.
Yea but then Namor made the dumbest move in the entire series so far: forming The Cabal.
Letting Thanos live in any part of the universe is a big mistake.true but there needs to be something big & bad enough to unite everyone against to wrap all this up, whenever that happens - and #TeamThanos is pretty much ideal for that, so Namor played his part i guess