Does Spider-Man appear in this series at all?
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Jonathan Hickmans New Avengers / Avengers |OT| Thanos is in this (Spoilers)
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Does Spider-Man appear in this series at all?
Manmademan
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unlikely. that's too much nonsense to throw into everything else that's going on.
I like what they're doing with spiderverse, though this last issue wasn't the strongest.
Seems like SOMETHING big is coming though. With the exception of the ultimate universe marvel is wiping out parallel worlds right and left. Uncanny Avengers just eliminated six of them,
supreme power
spider man is going to be very busy with his own stuff 8 months from now
What if this is not the 616 avengers in this book? But we are following another earth, one so close that minor differences was unnoticeable? Like Sharon Ventura was a redhead instead strawberry blonde. And at the end they are destroyed stopping the incursions and the only proof of their existence was a blip on Pym and Reed's sensors?
Nope. He shows up in Avengers a couple of times but never in New Avengers.
Considering some characters like Wiccan rank pretty high in the magic world without being especially intelligent, I don't think there is a strong correlation there. Some of it is study, but a lot of it seems to rely on talent.
I also wouldn't be so sure that the Illuminati are as in the dark as you suggest. Black Panther, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Amadeus Cho, Beast, Black Bolt, Dr. Strange, Iron Man (though he might be out of the Illuminati at that point), and Captain Britain make for a pretty formidable group. Who knows what they have been up to.
Manmademan
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Doom is confirmed to be "sorcerer supreme" candidate level in terms of his magic skill, on top of being one of the top 5 or so scientists on the planet. that does give him some extra points.
After the timeskip? they're clueless.
They're on the run from SHIELD AND Susan Richards, so we can assume they have no access to any of the Avengers Tech, Shield's Tech, or anything in the baxter building. Tony stark has gone missing and no one knows where he is. Amadeus Cho was trying to steal information so they would have access to SOME of Tony's knowledge, but that plan has gone tits up.
Wakanda has been blown to smithereens and was a graveyard sometime before Avengers 24.
The mapmakers gained most of their information by skipping through the multiverse during incursions and gathering data. We also know that the Cabal have been the ones involved in the incursions and the illuminati are nowhere near them.
The illuminati are in no position to know much of anything. No money, no resources, no permanent bases. The only thing they have to contribute is raw intellect- and it appears Doom has that one taken care of with a team of scientists and the mad thinker. Why team up?
They've also got a better learning curve than any of the other Illuminati groups that Black Swan has encountered so far. Maximus straight up told her off for underestimating them before he let her go and The Cabal formed.
Even if that is currently the case. This is still their book. Hickman's Doom was pretty balanced in his Fantastic Four run. I doubt very much if he lets Doom wrap up everything with a neat bow solo in this.
Manmademan
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Oh, something is going to happen- doom will run into something he didn't anticipate and his hubris will do him in, as usual.
I don't see him willingly teaming up with Richards and crew though. I think the resolution of this is going to be another massive "company wide" crossover like infinity, where everyone is all in from the Xmen on up to the GOTG. It won't be just the illuminati riding in to save things at the last minute with a great idea.
Keep in mind that outside of the incursions, time is still broken thanks to age of ultron, and there have been references to the universe "wanting to die" independently of the incursions. Something else is going on here.
Governing his people.
Sounds like a crisis among an infinite number of earths.
Lol, I just finished reading New Avengers 24 and came to GAF looking for the comic thread to say how much I love this comic and just found this thread!
New Avengers is the best book Marvel is publishing right now, and frankly the best book in the stands IMO!
Great job Hickman!
New Avengers 24 is possibly the best issue of that entire series. I was really impressed with the quality of both Hickman books this month. The past year of Avengers and New Avengers has been a slow boil, but stuff is going down now.
Manmademan
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what a silly idea
Been a bit of a flashpoint on comic messageboards, will it be Hickman's Zerohour or the story of the Millennium? To me it just been one big Panic in the Sky. All we can say right now is there will be a lot of Legends of Dead Earths,
I thought 616 terrax was killed in the opening of AvX? When kid-nova is off warning planets about the phoenix.
He was also killed by Galactus, and Sentry, dude is like that sand in your clothes from the beach, you can never get rid of him.
Coriolanus
Banned
Ok, caught up.
On Wakanda being sacrificed. Makes perfect sense, since, as Tchalla's own father tried to make his failure of a son understand, Wakanda itself had turned its back on people it could help many times during its history. No surprise that other nations would do exactly the same bloody thing to it.
On Tchalla. Fucksake, mate. Your father and whole generations of black panthers flat-out tells you what it means to be a king, and then Namor has to bear your fucking cross because you can't be arsed to imperius rex properly. Good arc.
On Valeria. Ye gods, I love how Valeria is basically a "how the fuck could you screw up this bad, dad?" plot device. Doom saying the bit about children in latveria needing a good night of sleep was just cherry.
On Victor. Was quite impressed by it. While the Illuminati went all "no, it's cool, we got dis", Victor went "fuck that, i'm getting all the help i can get to analyze this bloody thing", and thus we see scores of scientists and another mirror.
On Stephen. I really wanna see what he'll end up doing with that chekov's gun of a black priest helmet.
On Wakanda being sacrificed. Makes perfect sense, since, as Tchalla's own father tried to make his failure of a son understand, Wakanda itself had turned its back on people it could help many times during its history. No surprise that other nations would do exactly the same bloody thing to it.
On Tchalla. Fucksake, mate. Your father and whole generations of black panthers flat-out tells you what it means to be a king, and then Namor has to bear your fucking cross because you can't be arsed to imperius rex properly. Good arc.
On Valeria. Ye gods, I love how Valeria is basically a "how the fuck could you screw up this bad, dad?" plot device. Doom saying the bit about children in latveria needing a good night of sleep was just cherry.
On Victor. Was quite impressed by it. While the Illuminati went all "no, it's cool, we got dis", Victor went "fuck that, i'm getting all the help i can get to analyze this bloody thing", and thus we see scores of scientists and another mirror.
On Stephen. I really wanna see what he'll end up doing with that chekov's gun of a black priest helmet.
Different Terrax. He's Terrax, the Truly Enlightened, he was captured by the Illuminati when they experienced their 3rd incursion.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I remember in Waid's FF Dr. Strange says that Doom isn't nearly on his level as far as magic goes. Has this been retconned?
Manmademan
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nah. MM is better by orders of magnitude. All that shit he pulled in secret wars? still canon.
Sentry only managed to kill him because MM was breaking down and out of his mind at the time.
Strange is the top dog, but hilariously inconsistent when it comes to how strong he is. There are a few people better than Doom is in the magic department (morgan le fay is also better), but he's still pretty high up there.
Funny if Franklin turned him into his Liefield Hero Reborn version.
Axis is a speed bump growing out of Uncanny Avengers which has been pretty standalone until now. The entire event is over in 3 months. I'm fairly confident that the majority of what is going on in Uncanny Avengers is going to end in a time travel retcon. It's not like Remender hasn't done just that in the past.
IrishNinja
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i keep forgetting about the AoU thing, does any of the uncanny avengers stuff (celestials' revenge, kang's rise, etc) tie in here?
...why
IrishNinja
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oh yeah we totally skipped over that bit too
quite true, but to be fair, sentry has been out of his mind before, and since really.
which makes me wonder if theres any version of bob/void that is really fucking shit up, and not just slowly making the earth burn
Maximus used a microscopic sonic drill to see if a little air would speed up Corvus Glaive's slow regeneration. Soooo yeah.... it pretty much did.
Coriolanus
Banned
As Manmademan said, then there is also that Triumph and Torment thing (which is still canon, afaik), where Victor can come very close to copying any magic that he sees another sorcerer cast almost instantly, and it aint a stretch to assume that he'll perfect the copy whenever he has some down time.
So yeah, while victor aint as magic savvy as he is tech savvy, dude is cray high tier. Thing is, he readily admits when a magic user is superior to him. Or used to, anyway. I remember him respecting strange and having mad respect for morgane.
Napoleonthechimp
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Reed not asking for help would have resulted in two universes being destroyed. No matter how it went down Namor's plan was the better of two options.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
When everyone else became worse
Doom can be reasoned with, given there is a legit threat to him.
And then they kissed.,
Cpt.Underpants
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Namor gave Thanos the best job ever 
What do you expect from a person who goes from saying "I am the greatest man I know" to sobbing in Doom's castle? At this point getting murdered by BP would be a mercy.
Coriolanus
Banned
Now now, current namor may be pathetic, but he still had the balls to do what needed doing at the time. Tchalla just bawled his eyes out.
and now hes once again groveling like the little bitch he is. all that big boasting about doing what needed to be done..now the cabal is doing what needs to be done too apparently. like doom said, he should have come to him first. hell they all should have branched out instead of trying to solo it.
Yea but then Namor made the dumbest move in the entire series so far: forming The Cabal.
Still doesn't compare to what Namor has done.
Being himself.
IrishNinja
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man...king or not, none of his ancestors had to bear the weight of what he was being asked to do - and multiple times, it would've looked like. cut challa some slack.
true but there needs to be something big & bad enough to unite everyone against to wrap all this up, whenever that happens - and #TeamThanos is pretty much ideal for that, so Namor played his part i guess
Letting Thanos live in any part of the universe is a big mistake.