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Jonathan Hickmans New Avengers / Avengers |OT| Thanos is in this (Spoilers)
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slightconfuse
Banned
a bit curious to learn how SHIELD went all 1984 on the world.
going to lol when doom saves the world
going to lol when doom saves the world
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Deleted member 13876
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Hey Thanos, where's that kid of ours anyway? Didn't he become a lawyer?
Coriolanus
Banned
Kill six billion people every x days (if the mapmakers or builders dont get to them first) until the bigbad is handled vs snuff two universes out of existence, killing unknown trillions due to your inaction.
Much choice. Wow.
Namor fucked up when he assembled a group that 1) is far above his power level and 2) has no reason whatsoever to stay on 616.
All the rest? Ok. Those two? Unforgivable.
Dude still saved the universe with his actions, tho, so even with his bawling he's well above the rest of the team, save for stephen.
Nope. Killed him a while back.
He saved the universe for the time being but it didn't even matter in the next few minutes. Now he is a broken man with regret and is like the rest of the Illuminati. He's enabling the actions of some of the most dangerous beings in the universe. Thanos alone is above and beyond the Avenger's level. I'm glad to see that this Cabal is backfiring in Namor's face and not just because he killed a world, Namor's reckoning has been coming for a long time.
RockTurtle
Member
i dunno man, he still hasn't been disowned by his entire filial lineage.
Yeah that was messed up.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Sure wish I knew how he escaped the cancerverse, but they keep dragging shit the fuck out...
Yeah... But isn't the story sooooo Bendis though?
Coriolanus
Banned
We know that it mattered from the time the illumibros decided to suicide pact aaaall the way to whatever point in the future NA 24 is. Saying that it did not matter because "lol new incursion soon guys" is selling it short.
Plus we all know that the proper solution to the problem would be transporting humanity to Planet Doom/ Franklin's nega-earth and blowing up the planet, which is almost exactly what the builders told them to do.
Namor's reckoning will most likely never completely come, btw. People have been waiting for it for what, 75 years by now. There's probably some internal marvel rule set in place by Lee and Everett that says the character must always be an asshat.
The Silver
Member
But seriously why would your first choice to form a new Cabal be fucking Thanos of all people? There is no scenario where letting Thanos free doesn't end in you getting fucked over in the worst possible way.
How was Doom not the 1st person Namor went to? Or any other super smart villain?
How was Doom not the 1st person Namor went to? Or any other super smart villain?
Doom should have been choice #1 for Namor. I get why Reed wouldn't go to him, I think even Doom would get that. Namor has no excuse though, he should have gone to Doom.
I'm guessing that Namor went back to Necropolis and found that Thanos was free. Convenience.
Thanos has the power set, the tech, the henchmen, and the right attitude for destroying an endless supply of worlds and their heroes.
Doom is just as unpredictable, also has a high chance of fucking you over, and worst of all to Namor, has the ability to shatter your pride. There's a difference between loosing a wild beast and groveling to another king.
And yet he wound up groveling anyway. Like a little bitch.
Hence, The Mad Titan. In Starlin's last book he acknowledges the difference and has Thanos directly compare that with Adam Warlock and how sometimes he too has his personality shift wildly.
No matter who is writing though, Thanos loves his murder.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Bill Everett is rolling over in his grave after this run........
holy shit at that last panel ....can't believe he's back...fuckin Doom, always bet on Doom.
The Silver
Member
Doom will fuck you over, but he'll do it while trying to make the planet a better place under his rule. Thanos will kill you, everyone you know, and then destroy your entire planet for the lulz.
I'd much rather be fucked over by Doom than Thanos, but yeah Namor has his dumb pride.(which he ended throwing away anyway)
slightconfuse
Banned
it was more apparent in infinity i felt.
i do hope marvel just waste the ultimate uinverse. they have an out for miles in spider-verse
I just want to say I think it's great that we have a dedicated thread to this particular story arc. It's kind of hard to talk about these particular stories in the comics thread because it moves so quickly in there with so many varying topics. I kind of wish we had our own comics forum in addition to gaming and off topic so that we can have threads dedicated to these particular stories
The Silver
Member
I love that the Sentry's power is to be overpowered.
Marvel just never lets it go all the way, ever since I heard about the Plutonian it gets me mad that Marvel never let the Sentry be similar to that.
Marvel just never lets it go all the way, ever since I heard about the Plutonian it gets me mad that Marvel never let the Sentry be similar to that.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Holy shit!!!
This sounds absolutely bananas.
Please point me to collected editions where I can buy this.
Keep in mind that I'm not fond of buying singles and prefer everything nice and clear on trades or hardcovers.
This sounds absolutely bananas.
Please point me to collected editions where I can buy this.
Keep in mind that I'm not fond of buying singles and prefer everything nice and clear on trades or hardcovers.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Wiccan might be talent because he may be a mutant, but Dr Strange was due to study and training so no, the topic is just different you have to have a brain to do the magic. Thor is asgardian they have an affinity for magic, and yet he cant pull a rabbit out of his hat , without mlonir he's like a 0 in magic. Loki and enchantress on the other hand are insanely gifted with magik.
TetraxShards
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Avengers: Avengers World (Avengers Vol 5 #1-6)
Avengers: The Last White Event (Avengers #7-12)
New Avengers: Everything Dies (New Avengers Vol 3 #1-6)
Avengers: Infinity Prelude (Avengers #13-17)
Infinity: Nothing Lasts Forever (Free Comic Book Day 2013 Special, Infinity #1-6, Avengers #18-23, New Avengers #7-12 Infinity: Against the Tide #1-2 Reading order for singles here (image))
Avengers: Rogue Planet/Adapt or Die (Avengers #24.NOW-28)
New Avengers: Other Worlds (New Avengers #13.INH-17)
New Avengers: A Perfect World (New Avengers #18-23, collected edition not out yet)
Avengers: Infinite Avengers (Avengers #29-34, no collected edtion released yet)
Avengers: Time Runs Out Part One (Avengers #35, New Avengers #24, no collected edition released)
The Infinity tie-in issues are collected as Infinity: Avengers Universe and New Avengers: Infinity, they are included in both the US hardcover printing and the UK paperback editions
Mr. Poolman
Member
Thank you kind sir.
I'll track all this.
Only difference is that the Sentry is mentally unstable and isn't entirely aware of his actions. The Plutonian is insane too but that's because he's angry at the world.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
This run actually sounds really interesting, even if it is a rip-off of Crisis. I just hope it ends up with a more permanent change to the status quo. You can't have Stark/Namor/Strange/Richards/Banner/T'Challa just waltz back into being heroes after all of the bullshit they've pulled.
Who am I kidding, all of this will be erased at some point.
I was so baffled by that comic, Bendis literally gives 0 fucks about previous stories as long as he gets to write his crap. Starlord not wanting to use the Cosmic Cube on Thanos when he already used it on him like a week earlier...Drax suddenly being alive after being atomized by Thanos...Starlord & Nova sounding exactly the same and talking like a couple of high school douchebags.
You're seriously underestimating Hickman if you think this is as simple as ripping off Crisis on Infinite Earths.
most of them have had their misdeeds flushed before. aint no thing for it to happen again
Memento Mori
Member
TetraxShards
Member
CBR: Hickman & Brevoort Take "Avengers" Eight Months Into the Future
I must admit, I'm sorry I put this book on the backburner for awhile. Adapt or Die was a fairly weak arc. I'm going to catch up over the weekend.
I must admit, I'm sorry I put this book on the backburner for awhile. Adapt or Die was a fairly weak arc. I'm going to catch up over the weekend.
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, hard utilitarianism in practice must be super easy, good point
exactly..that shit was brutal
damn, wasn't even reading vanilla Avengers but off to go do that now
Glad to hear it. Wasn't sure if I was overstepping any bounds. The general comic thread is just that and I would feel bad constantly bringing up this series. Besides I think Hickman's work begs for a dedicated discussion thread, people need a place to endlessly argue over Namor and Black Panther.
Finished reading it, I wonder how ambitious Hickman's "Time Runs Out" event is when compared to Remender's "Axis". I guess we'll find out next year.
And I agree that Adapt or Die was a weak arc, but at least we know how the Mapmakers were formed.
It's how he operates, it was the same for his Fantastic Four run. Some arcs plod but it's all about the long game. This is a good excuse to post his first outline of his FF story:
Pretty much indecipherable but hey it turned out to be an amazing run.
And for anyone that's read that FF run-it's godly. I get goosebumps just thinking about it. So unbelievably good. It's kind of like The Wire in as far as it ruins all other stories for you. Just like I can't watch any other Cop show now after the Wire, I can't read any FF story now after Hickman.
RockTurtle
Member
Look everyone knows my disdain for BP by now, and my love for Namor but i will say my piece and maybe you will think i'm crazy BUT:
all this going on? sounds like there's a bit of character assassination on Namor's part by the team. I'm getting flashbacks of Civil War Ironman and how he was the big logical BAD GUY against the emotionally justified anti-registration heroes. Breaking character to make it obvious who to cheer for. A proverbial painting of bad guy whiskers on his character to reminisce the old time bad guys who twirl their moustaches and rub their hands together.
Namor is the regal pride, the arrogance maximus. The idea that things bow down to you by mere presence. and in the real modern world, where kings are few and individuals who display their control in such gaudy fashion are often the target of ire. No longer needed.
So i understand why Namor is groveling and crying and asking for help. Cause that's how you make him have a weakness. Because he represents something that every liberal writer and artist despises. an alpha male.
Now onto BP, as i said i wasn't as fond of the character throughout the years. I've always considered him a gary stu. and let's be honest, he is. It's was always hard to give flaws to BP because, well, of the "implications". he's had ups and downs before, but he always got through nary a scratch. Never a Pyrrhic victory.
But this run has made warm up to BP because like Namor, he has been knocked off his pole of gary stuness in a unique manner. His kingdom taken from him by his sister. His people , whom alot of are inherently xenophobic and arrogant, never fully shared his views. His waifus have left him. He no longer can fall back on his lolmagic metal shenanigans. his entire lineage of ancestors told him to man the fuck up, and he failed the mantle of the BP. he got the boot out of the family tree LITERALLY.
BP is now a tragic story. he is utterly alone. And that, to me, finally makes him a viable character. Everyone in marvel has flaws. BP now has some that are tangible. Both him and Namor are being shaken to the core of their characters. And although i'm a bit iffy with the choices being made for Namor, BP as a character has definitely gotten some upgrades!
Sorry to bring up Anime, but i think of Fate Stay Night when i consider the kings of marvel. You have Alexander the great inviting King Arthur and GIlgamesh for a banquet of Kings.
After some discussions, Alexander and Gilgamesh deride Arthur for not behaving like a King. Someone who, by definition, is exceptional. Who should laugh the hardest. who should be the greediest. who should set the example for being EXTRAORDINARY.
Namor is Alexander, the exceptional. BP is Arthur, nothing but a figurehead. not a beacon for his people. I know we will eventually go to the status quo with Namor just like Tony. but i think BP will come out of this for the better. at least..i hope so.
all this going on? sounds like there's a bit of character assassination on Namor's part by the team. I'm getting flashbacks of Civil War Ironman and how he was the big logical BAD GUY against the emotionally justified anti-registration heroes. Breaking character to make it obvious who to cheer for. A proverbial painting of bad guy whiskers on his character to reminisce the old time bad guys who twirl their moustaches and rub their hands together.
Namor is the regal pride, the arrogance maximus. The idea that things bow down to you by mere presence. and in the real modern world, where kings are few and individuals who display their control in such gaudy fashion are often the target of ire. No longer needed.
So i understand why Namor is groveling and crying and asking for help. Cause that's how you make him have a weakness. Because he represents something that every liberal writer and artist despises. an alpha male.
Now onto BP, as i said i wasn't as fond of the character throughout the years. I've always considered him a gary stu. and let's be honest, he is. It's was always hard to give flaws to BP because, well, of the "implications". he's had ups and downs before, but he always got through nary a scratch. Never a Pyrrhic victory.
But this run has made warm up to BP because like Namor, he has been knocked off his pole of gary stuness in a unique manner. His kingdom taken from him by his sister. His people , whom alot of are inherently xenophobic and arrogant, never fully shared his views. His waifus have left him. He no longer can fall back on his lolmagic metal shenanigans. his entire lineage of ancestors told him to man the fuck up, and he failed the mantle of the BP. he got the boot out of the family tree LITERALLY.
BP is now a tragic story. he is utterly alone. And that, to me, finally makes him a viable character. Everyone in marvel has flaws. BP now has some that are tangible. Both him and Namor are being shaken to the core of their characters. And although i'm a bit iffy with the choices being made for Namor, BP as a character has definitely gotten some upgrades!
Sorry to bring up Anime, but i think of Fate Stay Night when i consider the kings of marvel. You have Alexander the great inviting King Arthur and GIlgamesh for a banquet of Kings.
After some discussions, Alexander and Gilgamesh deride Arthur for not behaving like a King. Someone who, by definition, is exceptional. Who should laugh the hardest. who should be the greediest. who should set the example for being EXTRAORDINARY.
Namor is Alexander, the exceptional. BP is Arthur, nothing but a figurehead. not a beacon for his people. I know we will eventually go to the status quo with Namor just like Tony. but i think BP will come out of this for the better. at least..i hope so.
Coriolanus
Banned
slightconfuse
Banned
really enjoyed thiese page
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Love how bruce just stopped giving a fuck
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Yeah Namor is getting totally changed but the story is good so ...whatever , he's nothing like his former run though he was the dude that would never cheat or do shady shit, even up to Planet Hulk he and BP were the ones that said fuck no. Atlantis was full of shady assholes in his runs but he always was that easily manipulated guy because he was so straight forward and true. Now..well every hero is grey save for a select few. Its like the left overs from all hero's being ..extreme in the 90s. Past his run with Jae Lee he has been changed around. But when his creator Bill Everett did him along with others his run was pretty amazing then he got put into avengers in the 80's.
BP on the other hand already had flaws , he was over confident, to the point where doom had to beat that ass kidnap his wife and hobbled him. If your looking for T'Challa move foward by being brought down a peg i would suggest you check out his time replacing Dare Devil in hell's kitchen. T'challa has long since had come down off that high horse.
Manmademan
Member
It's not even "hard utilitarianism".
Push the button and 6 billion people die. Don't push it and those 6 billion people die, plus another hundred trillion or so, and everything else in existence including you.
This isn't a choice at all. only idiots would agonize over this.
Manmademan
Member
Why not have him stop it?
didn't they break two infinity gauntlets trying to stop the incursions? might be a bit past his pay grade.
Yep. An infinity gauntlet can stop one incursion.
Saying it is one thing. Doing it is another.
He stopped a dude that consumed six universes.
Coriolanus
Banned
Because he's so useless he lost a popularity contest to Death's Head?
The proper question would be why not have him stop it?
The proper question would be why not have him stop it?
