Somebody got to fly the shuttles.
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Jonathan Hickmans New Avengers / Avengers |OT| Thanos is in this (Spoilers)
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Somebody got to fly the shuttles.
Napoleonthechimp
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He's a man that grew up during the great depression. He has no business commanding interstellar forces or applying tactics he picked up during WW2 to battles involving vast armadas in 3 dimensional space.
The moment where Kirk outsmarts Khan during the Wrath of Khan comes to mind. He's not suited to it or at least he should be significantly worse at it when compared to alien commanders (I'm thinking of the Infinity saga here) who've been around the block for a lot longer than he has.
1) The Avengers became a galactic rallying call after that event. People who had no idea what was going on now knew the enemies were mortal.
2) All of the Builders' Ex Nihilos abandoned them after they forced one to kill a planet
3) Starbrand and others destroyed all their big guns
4) Captain America's real superpower is basically super strategizing
5) Comics
And Hawkeye is just an ex carny, didn't stop him from beating the Grandmaster.
PhoncipleBone
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It's been like 20 years since I watched that. I need a refresher. Thank you.
And beating Krona (with Flash's help)
crimsonspider89
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Cap is just that good at tactics. His upbringing has nothing to do with it. Some people are just tactical students or did we forget about the genocidal art student drop out who conquered most of Europe including a country that was called a super power in less than a month?
Steve has that tactical mind.
He can look at a military or combat scenario and come up with a solution.
Steve has that tactical mind.
He can look at a military or combat scenario and come up with a solution.
Wait, Steve is a good artist too.......
Napoleonthechimp
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Captain America is supposed to be some kind of tactical genius but yet he doesn't have remotely the same level of experience as... ah, what's the point. Stuff will happen if the writer wants it to happen.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Yeah but Hitler couldn't draw people where Steve can.
Still wish Storm/Emma/Magneto/Rachel could of been on the Illumanati.
If I remember correctly Hickman was wanting to use Magneto (probably instead of Beast as Xavier's replacement, which totally makes sense) but this was nixed by Bendis because of Bendis being Bendis. I remember him mentioning it in a CBR interview.
Memento Mori
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I think it was Emma Frost but Magneto would have worked as well.
Manmademan
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doesn't fit. we know the beyonder's origins (kinda. sorta.) and it doesn't make sense with the "birth" of the antagonist eliminating an alternate earth.
the best guess I've found so far is that alternate-galactus from FF #600. but even he's not really "behind it" just the catalyst that started it.
Can you blame Reed for not entirely trusting Doom? Doom wouldn't trust Reed either if the roles were reversed.
yeah your probably right...just wishful thinking. Gotta say , was on a little down lately on comics overall but this story is just pure gold. i was one of the few to be sad when bendis left avengers and was kind of lost at the beginning of hickmans run but man the slow burn is paying off big time. Curious to see when all is said and done where it will stand in the 'best avengers stories ever told'.
exmachina64
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Hearing this for the first time, I kind of prefer Beast instead of Magneto as Xavier's replacement. I always viewed this current incarnation of the Illuminati as mainly being the smartest "heroes" in the Marvel Universe. Seeing Amadeus Cho, Banner, and Pym on the Illuminati in the current arc validated that in my mind.
BuddyJoeHooker
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Well the only X-Men that would have worked in New Avengers would have been Beast, Xavier and Mags. Anyone else would have gone to the full team pretty early on, especially Scott and Logan. That said, I'd have liked to see how Cyke would have handled the whole thing. I doubt he'd have been as passive as Beast has been.
I kind of want to see Emma as part of that group now.
Emma+namor=gonna have a bad time.
Even more reason for her to be there!
Wouldn't fit, her stint in the previous version of the Cabal shows that it wouldn't work.
DonasaurusRex
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Because Hickman didnt want to till now its his story, if they did use the cabal it would be Doom in there as well and Frost....well maybe not Frost anymore. I am wondering where Wizard is though. They shoulda found the damn High Evolutionary too.
Prof X held the spot until he died, even if he wasn't really the representative of all mutants anymore.
Napoleonthechimp
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Being able to blast energy beams out of your eyes probably wouldn't have meant much next to the rest of them. If you're going to hang out with some of the most intelligent and powerful beings on the planet you better be able to match them like for like.
The Silver
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they need someone who can pull off a smug grin when they win, no one does smug grins better than Cyclops, put him in coach.
Yeah, Ron Lim had a really good Thanos. Definitely a contender for my top spot of favorite Thanos artists.
What? Scott is a *very* good tactician.
It is as if people deliberately forget about anything he did in Dark Reign.
Napoleonthechimp
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Captain America is far better, which is why he's there (or was).
Oh sure but when I think Thanos I can't help but picture Starlin's stuff. I didn't mind how he was drawn in Annihilation either.
Cyclops accomplishments as well as being a successful team leader to the X-Men for decades as well as being the Mutant leader of Utopia more than earned him a spot on the Illuminati.
And as for firepower well...
he more than makes the grade.
Beast seemed to be dragged in to it by Captain America of all people! And since then has only been going along with what everyone else is doing. He's the only character I think that Hickman has little to no interest in. I hope that's not the case.
exmachina64
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Cyclops accomplishments as well as being a successful team leader to the X-Men for decades as well as being the Mutant leader of Utopia more than earned him a spot on the Illuminati.
And as for firepower well...
he more than makes the grade.
If only he was still that powerful.
Ugh don't even get me started on that ridiculous handicap that Bendis incorporated and has yet to elaborate on after a YEAR of storytelling.
Didn't we find up it was caused by microbots or something a month or two ago?
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Nanomachines
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So these are the covers for the next three issues for New Avengers.
What really intrigues me is that the Black Priest in the center has a medallion under his mask/helmet resembling Doctor Strange's. Could it be him?
Having trouble what the next issue cover could mean and it's pretty clear that Tony has fallen in the second cover and is distraught.
What really intrigues me is that the Black Priest in the center has a medallion under his mask/helmet resembling Doctor Strange's. Could it be him?
BuddyJoeHooker
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I don't really think Hickman had much of a choice when it came to picking out a X-Men for the Illuminati, he probably just figured to add another egghead although I did like this exchange with Beast and Namor
whispering sweet nothings in your ear
I don't think Cyclops would have contributed much to this group, although I would like to see what Hickman could do with the character. Maybe Marvel will have Hickman pick up after Bendis once again...
Namor/
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I don't think Cyclops would have contributed much to this group, although I would like to see what Hickman could do with the character. Maybe Marvel will have Hickman pick up after Bendis once again...
Yeah, he did. I have no idea where he teleported off to though. I miss him
He gets so much shit.