That's what I just said is it not? That we back the fuck off and tell the Swedish they can breach IL if they like.
Not our problem = we are not obliged to do this as we don't even want the guy, if he sets foot outside we will arrest him.
Julian Assange to issue statement 'in front' of Ecuador embassy
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That's what I just said is it not? That we back the fuck off and tell the Swedish they can breach IL if they like.
Not our problem = we are not obliged to do this as we don't even want the guy, if he sets foot outside we will arrest him.
Joel Was Right
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Sorry misread
Ah no drama.
I think our relations with South America are strained enough as it is since Argentina rattled their rusty, broken saber.
Oh indeed, he loves the attention as he is a docche, but it must also feel like being in a crowded place when you are being followed "I am safe as long as people can see me".
I think our relations with South America are strained enough as it is since Argentina rattled their rusty, broken saber.
Oh indeed, he loves the attention as he is a docche, but it must also feel like being in a crowded place when you are being followed "I am safe as long as people can see me".
More importantly, I'd say he feels there's a significant chance of being convicted if he goes to Sweden, and being seen as a rapist will ruin his reputation and credibility. By bringing up these conspiracy theories he can justify to his supporters why he shouldn't have to face the courts.
ComputerMKII
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Is there a live video stream covering what's happening around the embassyN
Nope.
blazeuk
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It was a stupid decision to tell them they could enter the building if they wanted to, since there wasn't much need to (even if it is the truth). They can simply wait it out like they're doing now. The government seem to be somewhat trying to play it down now though, I don't think there was ever really a possibility of them entering the Ecuadorian embassy.
The problem now is, the government have now made another side show of it and given Ecuador ammunition to have a pop at Britain as the "bad guys" and we all know there are certain other south american countries who love to join in with that sort of thing.
Exactly, I am surprised Argentina haven't welcomed him with open arms as well, in fact I am expecting Sean Penn to turn up on the Thames in a boat and sink in a "rescue attempt" at some point.
Visualante2
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I think many of his supporters are happy to see him questioned about the alleged rape in Sweden. I think even Assange himself is.
The question whether it be just that, is the concern. Of course there are no legal obligations from Sweden or the UK to ensure safety against other future legal actions. But if they really cared about the matter at hand they'd suck it up and investigate Assange in a politically safe environment. As all investigations should be.
The question whether it be just that, is the concern. Of course there are no legal obligations from Sweden or the UK to ensure safety against other future legal actions. But if they really cared about the matter at hand they'd suck it up and investigate Assange in a politically safe environment. As all investigations should be.
He said he is willing to be questioned. Send a guy over, set a webcam, something that can have him and them speaking and they refuse.
Mecha_Infantry
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He has said this many a time, even if he was to be questioned in the UK by Swedish police he and Equador said it will be fine
But the Swedes refused. Is there an Equador embassy in Sweden?!
ComputerMKII
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This IS special treatment. When the hell have you ever heard of a country fighting SO hard to question a man over not using a condom to the point where countries are threatening to raid an embassy? It's insane.
Well when you put it like that...
Visualante2
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Wait, not using a condom. I thought he was up for rape? Since when has condom use been a condition of rape?
Messypandas
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since Sweden
Swedish law, there are a hell of a lot of inconsistencies and concerns about this whole case, the behaviour of the prime detective would have been enough to get the case thrown out on its own over here. Also the use of a interpol(?) arrest warrant normally the reserve for murderers etc. in trying to get hold of the guy who is currently only wanted for question.
A lot of dodgy stuff going on from the behaviour of the 'victims' on.
They are legally unable to make any assurances. He also does not deserve any special treatment.
Since the woman involved requested that a condom be used, which is just one of several charges.
European arrest warrant, and it is used for more than just murderers. Rapists included. He is not only wanted for questioning; he is wanted for questioning in order to charge him (as required by Swedish law).
Visualante2
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To me that just reads as he raped her.
Yeah but a government can hide behind this so easily. I appreciate the law on this stuff is incredibly complex but it's their fucking country. They should be able to assure Assange of safe passage out of Sweden if he is found to be innocent. How long can this investigation realistically take? There's special treatment, and simply laying your cards on the table which Sweden don't appear to be willing to do. But I expect I have an overly simplistic point of view here. The UK is choosing what laws they want to follow and ignore, I'm sure Sweden is too.
ComputerMKII
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"This broadcast has now ended"
Well that was quick.
Well that was quick.
Any decision on extradition will first go through the legal system, and a government cannot make any assurances as to what way a court will rule.
jakershaker
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They can't decide before a request is made and the Supreme Court has judged though. Sorry if I was unclear. Your explanation was better
The charges:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/assange-summary.pdf
If he committed these acts in England, then he would also have been charged. And yes, he is being charged with rape.
He cannot be questioned by video link as the Swedes are about to formally charge Assange. He needs to be in Sweden so that the wheels of the Swedish justice system can begin to move again.
Condlom-less sex while she was asleep. I don't think the lack of a condom is the problem there.
http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/7570-the-charges-against-julian-assange
Kenshin001
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The words you posted were from a barrister who acted for Assange. He may be a little biased in his interpretation of events and the law.
Visualante2
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There should be some sort of time limit on making such cases. If they're waiting for him to come into the country before revealing a case against him that's basically entrapment.
Pretty sure (political) Latin America would explode if they raided the embassy.
That is not what entrapment means. More importantly, there has been no indication that such a request has been made, so talking as if a case exists is pointless.
ComputerMKII
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It begins
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It seems the rape charge is legitimate under Swedish law.
However, and let's just be honest--do you really think there'd be THIS much of an international manhunt for an alleged rapist? You'd think he's an international mass murdering terrorist with the amount of resources and time the various world governments are putting into arresting this guy.
Yes, rape is a terrible crime and personally I think it should be punished as harshly as possible.
However, this simply isn't done normally. Not every rapist gets an INTERNATIONAL MANHUNT on him. In fact, has any other?
ComputerMKII
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Assange on the front page of Interpol: http://interpol.int/
Lazy Jones
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Julian´s favorite song;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPsMR7HvuZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPsMR7HvuZM
International manhunt? He
It's an ordinary extradition procedure that's been made extraordinary because of Assange's own (illegal) acts and the publicity around it.
People less public than him are presumably harder to track. Considering how open he was about his whereabouts while still being active in public, how could law enforcement justify ignoring him?
reptilescorpio
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I thought Sweden said he could go to the UK for his talk?
It's across multiple countries and involves multiple country laws, so yeah, international.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Because that's not how it works? What other police meets you at your home for questioning? Or over a webcam? It's not the procedure when you question someone about committing a crime. Ya, just hop on skype so we can talk to you about this pending rape case...
An extradition is by definition an international "manhunt". My point is, that if you take away all this extra media hubbub, it's basically just a standard extradition procedure like any other. There's been plenty of those for a variety of crimes, including rape. The extra publicity and Assange's curious act of fleeing into an embassy are making this appear a lot more spectacular than it really is.
this is riveting to watch, i really wish it wasnt happening where i live but still, its a watermark moment in history, interesting to be alive to see it unfold. One thing this case really does is make me so god damn happy that im not famous, known on any level and keep a small circle. I cant imagine not being able to walk outside in the sun, go to a shop or the cinema and remain undisturbed.
I think everything is biased against Assange. He might be a jerk or a piece of shit but the simple fact is that all these things popped up right around the time he humiliated many governments including America. And they were PISSED. They want his blood and will boss and bully countries to get him to them. Look at that AWFUL New York Times piece where they criticize him for not flushing a toilet. It sounds like someone out of the Onion. Not to mention several media places wanting him killed. And if you think the American government wouldn't be as hateful as that then look at Bradly Manning. Tortured, locked away, god knows what has been done to him.
Maybe he did rape, maybe he didn't but to raid an embassy over it? To break international law? To work so hard and tirelessly to bring him in, not to send him to jail, not to send him to court over charges, but to QUESTION him? It's a fucking joke. He isn't running from being questioned, he's running from being sent to America and god know what they'll do to him.
He is not merely wanted for questioning, that is just a step Sweden has to do first in order to charge him.
Furthermore, extraditing him from the UK would be easier, as being extradited from Sweden while there due to an extradition request would require the UK's consent to extradite him too. He is running from rape charges.
Entering an embassy without consent is not illegal if it is necessitated by something like the arrest of (suspected) criminal. An embassy are only inviolable insofar it is being used for diplomatic purposes. Harboring a suspect is not one of those.
Also, if he's worried about being prosecuted in the USA for something that could be punished by death or torture, then he could fight an extradition request from the USA before the European Court of Human Rights (and probably win).
reptilescorpio
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Aledged rape apologists you mean.
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