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July Wrasslin |OT-15| Hybrids are Best for Business
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I don't know if this meets SoulPlaya's approval, but Roman's wife is oh so nice, baby girl.
I don't know how an ass so fat got lost in last night's thread but YO.
But but, you see, he wasn't in the Main Event of Wrestlemania, and often there was a match after his on PPVs, and he didn't have memorable feuds, and other goalpost shifting nonsense to keep the "WWE keeps our favs down" meme going despite having the belt for over a year. And I loved watching Punk, no less.
Rafa=FedKilla
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We are calling that a good Raw now? A fucking Flo Rida concert and Stephanie being arrested for fifteen minutes of dead air? Come on brahs!
slightconfuse
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Do you think bringing back jobber matches would help? I feel like having named guys fight each other in every match means someone's always left looking bad, and it removes the "big match" feel that saving the encounter for a PPV used to have. Maybe it doesn't mean as much with the PPV model kind of eroding away now, but even so, you're right. It's hard to get people behind a guy that's always getting the short end of it.
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Jobber matches are the answer
BronsonLee
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The Flo Rida shit was all a smokescreen just so Stephanie could get arrested. HE WAS IN ON IT #ItsaC-O-N-SPIRACY
Also Stephanie getting such a small amount of comeuppance for all of her shit and breaking down over it=glorious pops
As the major face of the company? 28 days.
As a midcarder, transitional champ while Rock & Cena lived their "Once in a lifetime" main event fantasy? 434 days.
I enjoyed Raw significantly more than Battleground. HHH elevates like a levetator riding in an elevator.
Hang on a minute. The claim was "The problem is nobody is allowed to be as big and as mighty as John Cena". And your argument for why that isn't true is "sure Punk wasn't allowed to surpass Cena, but like he was right below him"?
It was a mediocre raw at best. The only thing that got a rise out of me was Paige turning and even that was on the weak end.
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So let's say this was what they decided to do. Is it too late for the guys they already have and have already watered down?
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Midcarder is a silly term for Punk, he was the number two guy in the company. The argument is that he could have been number one but they never gave him a chance.
And managers.
I still wish they'd do an angle where Vince comes back and takes full control of the company somehow, then gets hit in the head or something and thinks it's 1985 all over again, changing the format back to old-style. Then when he snaps out of it in the story, they leave the show that way still.
You should watch more NXT.
RAW was pretty decent last night. The crowd made it fun, anyway. I was surprised considering I always feel Miami crowds don't cheer all that much. They proved me wrong yesterday!
Ambrose and Reigns got great reactions. Kane and Orton didn't get all that great of a reaction, which I'm surprised.
The Miz vs Dolph match was alright. It got into decent territory because the crowd was into it, especially at the last few minutes. There was a pretty loud "this is awesome!" chant too from the folks in the arena. Especially in my section.
Kinda bummed out Bray didn't get the reaction I was hoping for. Of course I became a ultra mark at his entrance and cheered as loud as I could. Once he started talking I listened intently but the crowd was giving him a tough time by chanting 'WHAT!' at him.
Any segment with Stephanie on it had a great response from the crowd. We had no clue what was happening at first once the rapper performance had ended but then the crowd responded appropriately once they understood what was going on. I have to admit... having most of the arena go 'YES! YES! YES!!' when Stephanie was put on hand cuffs was great.
Fun times. I wouldn't mind going to another raw as long as its as decent at this one. No way finding out until you are there though. =p
Ambrose and Reigns got great reactions. Kane and Orton didn't get all that great of a reaction, which I'm surprised.
The Miz vs Dolph match was alright. It got into decent territory because the crowd was into it, especially at the last few minutes. There was a pretty loud "this is awesome!" chant too from the folks in the arena. Especially in my section.
Kinda bummed out Bray didn't get the reaction I was hoping for. Of course I became a ultra mark at his entrance and cheered as loud as I could. Once he started talking I listened intently but the crowd was giving him a tough time by chanting 'WHAT!' at him.
Any segment with Stephanie on it had a great response from the crowd. We had no clue what was happening at first once the rapper performance had ended but then the crowd responded appropriately once they understood what was going on. I have to admit... having most of the arena go 'YES! YES! YES!!' when Stephanie was put on hand cuffs was great.
Fun times. I wouldn't mind going to another raw as long as its as decent at this one. No way finding out until you are there though. =p
It's not his finisher, people kick out of everyone's signature moves all the time.
I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT SOME BAD NEWS!
Crowd sucked last night.
People even kick out of Cena's version, and that's from the top rope!
Yes! Jobber matches absolutely need to return! Not only for the reasons you've covered, but also because without them WWE feels small and claustrophobic.
Watching any would mean watching more. I think I've seen about five matches ever from NXT, if that. I've always been under the impression that it's the AAA-league to WWE's MLB. The presentation of what I saw surely sold it to me as such, which has its charm and all, but still.
I think my problem is that the show I want, doesn't exist and isn't viable any more. Whether that's the world and media changing, or good ol' bjork changing, I don't know. But I couldn't tell you the last time I got legitimately excited to see anything related to wrestling. So I dunno, maybe I complain because my time has passed and it's not "for" me any more?
The show you want is NXT you just haven't accepted it yet. Give it another shot. Promise it's good.
The only way to see new content is on the network, right?
You definitely need to watch more NXT.
plagiarize
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I'm not sure, but you can watch all of the Saturday Night's Main Events of the 80s now too on the network, so seems like you might want to risk a sub.
Rafa=FedKilla
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I like how they played up Cesaro's fall. Paul Heyman just needs to disappear. He will be just as bad as Cena in this feud....
One bad segment means the whole thing was bad! And Steph getting arrested wasn't really dead air since the crowd was really hot for the whole thing
Nah. I'd probably skip any Brock talking segment without Heyman and his promo last night was great.
If you need reminding as to why Heyman is there, go watch the Raws from after Wrestlemania 28....
*shudder*
Exactly.
I don't see how people can't understand how holding the title means nothing if he was kept playing second field for Cena the entire time.
Punk wasn't "the guy". Cena was. Title or no title.
For fuck's sake Cena was main event-ing B-tier PPVs. Who can forget Cena/Laurinitis getting top billing over Punk vs Bryan for the title? Fucking ridiculous.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Reigns is such a crisp worker. Last night proved it.
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There's a reason why Punk couldn't main event much when he was the champion.
He just wasn't as big of a draw.
He just wasn't as big of a draw.
crimzonflame
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How come Orton got 0 crowd reaction last night? Isnt he the top guy after Cena?
That makes no sense. He can't be more of a draw before he's given the ball and built into a draw. That's like saying "this foundation isn't a house, I should stop building it and go to the crumbling house I live in already".
Orton is maybe number...4 at most. He hasn't been number 2 in about four years.
BronsonLee
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Punk was Bret. There's nothing wrong with that at all. And he got a huge run out of it, was the #2 guy in the company for a good few years, and got two PPV paydays with Rock which were probably pretty damn substantial too
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Not really but ok. He isn't interesting enough. Changing where his matches are on the card doesn't make him more interesting.
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LMAO, that almost looks believable.Heh, awesome.
Magic Choke Slam worthy
How can you even say that when he was never put in a position to be a huge draw? Dude felt like a placeholder champion for his entire reign
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Cena's legacy is beyond titles, Punk was given everything. All the tools. Just couldn't do it. No big deal. He's gone now, which says a lot.
Peope said the same about Bryan in 2013, "oh he's not a draw, you can't push him". As though people start out as a draw. By the time he got injured this year, Bryan was a draw, for ratings, merch, the works.
By that logic, Reigns isn't a draw right now, so I guess he should never be pushed past Cena.
Yup. It's not something hard to grasp.
Punk got to main-event when Cena got injured (or when he wrestled against Cena) and then he got injured.
Then there was the whole Rock feud.
How this is making him the man or giving him the ball to run with it I don't see it.