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July Wrasslin |OT| The Rings a Field, the Field of War, Thats Where We Lay the Law
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Mr. Luchador
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John Cena has a very strange frame.
Lawyer during his feud with Miz was probably the only time (other than his return from the heart attack) that he was really over as a face in WWE and was very entertaining. The first few weeks after Cole cost him the match were priceless.
Dr Duncan Steel
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I really wanna watch RAWs from 2008-2010.
That period is so lost on me and I really really wanna watch the peak of Cena's terror. Complete with Stand up for WWE montages.
That period is so lost on me and I really really wanna watch the peak of Cena's terror. Complete with Stand up for WWE montages.
Macho Madness
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Yeah. I have no idea why it starts with 2012 on the Network.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
In the spirit of thread positivity:
Better DDT than Jake.
Better DDT than Jake.
Thought you were taking a break?
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
In the spirit of thread positivity:
Better DDT than Jake.
If only it zoomed in on her with the hard camera. It wouldn't be the only hard thing about that shot. Woooooooo.
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Hulu deal?
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Mr. Luchador
Member
I've been enjoying 2002 so far, I'm just about to get into March. XPW has been the only real stain on the entire year. WWE has been great, even WWA has been fun to watch and I'm pretty much just going to consider it as part of TNA Lore.
NWO's return has been a mixed affair, they're sorting of menacing, but entirely not. They seemed a lot more reigned in compared to their WCW incarnation. I like that they're smaller and not a large sprawling mess.
NWO's return has been a mixed affair, they're sorting of menacing, but entirely not. They seemed a lot more reigned in compared to their WCW incarnation. I like that they're smaller and not a large sprawling mess.
Jimmy King
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In what world should Austin have jobbed to Hall at WrestleMania?
Lambda Pie
Banned
Red Queen is really pretty. BIONIC made the right choice.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
What's the benefit of Hall going over Austin?
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
I mean Austin had a year left in him and I don't really know how dependable Hall would've been in that program. But what do I know?
The NWO was freshly brought in with a lot of heat. They started a program with Austin to show that they were a big deal. Instead, they fed Hall to Austin after a month because 'Fuck you for getting over in WCW, scum.' It did nothing for Austin winning after one PPV, and it just buried Hall.
Pretty sure it was because they didn't have faith in Scott Hall to put him in a top level, long term feud with Austin. And they were right.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
I had the impression that this was entirely built around hogan turning face with rock being put over. That alone would've killed its heat. And was the NWO brand still that strong in 2002? I don't know I wasn't there at the time but I would've made the same decision as Austin in 2014 eyes.
Why would they have brought him in at all if they thought that?
nWo in WWE seemed like dolla dolla bills, y'all.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
I mean NWO isn't NWO without it being a group. Then it would've just been Outsiders 2.0
Unless you just want Hogan bullying Kidman around again, and who the fuck wants that?
It could have been, but it wasn't because they quickly gave the fans no reason to want to buy NWO shirts because Vince needed to bury anything that came from WCW. Even Hogan got switched to Hulkamania because, 'Fuck Hollywood, that's WCW and therefore didn't draw a dime. HULKAMANIA! AHH GOT A BONER' I'm shocked he kept Kevin around as long as he did.
Hogan bullying Kidman is fave five Hogan gimmicks.
blackaroni
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See this shit right here has to stop.
FUCK YOU Michael Cole.
Jimmy King
Member
This. I mean, it's easy to look back and say what should've happened or what was right and wrong but on the same card you had The Rock going over Hogan, why would Austin get beat by Hall? As said, Hogan's face turn pretty much kills the nWo anyway.
To sell nWo shirts.
WWE fans really wanted Hogan to be a face kind of messed things up on that end. I think NWO versus Hogan might have been fun for awhile.
Hey kids, ya like John Cena, but you want all the charisma removed? Well have we got a shirt for you!
But they didn't. They would have sold just as many without bringing in the NWO because they did nothing with them.
Jimmy King
Member
No, FUCK YOU, Usos.
The fuck are you talking about? They weren't expecting the Hogan turn. He got switched to Hulkamania because fans turned on The Rock at fucking Wrestlemania and forced Hogan into a face turn. Not some burying WCW bullshit.
Jimmy King
Member
No argument there, but if I'm Austin and Rock is going over Hogan with Hogan turning face, I would not be jobbing to fucking Scott Hall.
No disrespect to Scott Hall.
Wasn't it planned at least a week or two before? I think I recall they had a staredown in maybe Montreal and the crowd was pretty pro Hogan. I can't remember if this was from some Nash shoot or WWE doc.
You are out of your mind if you thought Vince was keeping Hogan heel for one second. He couldn't wait to turn him face and bask in his Hulkamania glory again. Even if the fans booed Hogan at Wrestlemania, it was going to end with a handshake to put over Hogan as a face again. Even Hogan has said as much. because they told him last minute BEFORE Wrestlemania.
If you're Austin, you wouldn't job to anybody who's not already a mega star. Even though you don't seem to realize that's how you MAKE a mega star.
The original plan was to treat them like the original nWo, but reactions to Hogan shocked the shit out of them the week before WM and plans changed. And the changing of the plans was the right move once they got to WM and Hogan was the most over face in the universe and went on to draw some money on that come back tour. Whereas Hall got fired and Nash got injured for a year. But sure, it was all a bury WCW thing.
I wasn't even watching during that time period and even I know that's the case. It's a complete change due to fan reaction and very clear cut.
Mr. Enigma
Member
I remember Austin was so upset with how WMX8 unfolded, he took off for two weeks before his big "fuck you, I'm done" in June.
Lambda Pie
Banned
2002 Scott Hall should've been restricted to special appearances.
Jimmy King
Member
Agreed, but this is Scott Hall we're talking about.
Should have been in those Raw ladder matches with RVD.
Mr. Luchador
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The few things I noticed watching it all again was that the NWO were built up pretty well as a dangerous element. Vince really put them over, they did some really great video tributes with some nice editing to make them appear like they really did destroy WCW in the end (even though we all know they didn't).
Then they made their first physical appearance at No Way Out (NWO) 2002 and the fans loved them. They cheered up. Hogan got a huge reaction when he was handed the mic, and appeared to fight back some tears (great acting!). They cut some strange pseudo-face promo and that just seemed to confuse everyone.
They said all the stuff faces would say, but in a snarky manner and I don't think people really picked up on it, or perhaps didn't want that. Perhaps they were still 'cool' and people wanted to like them, and see them kick Ric Flair's arse and maybe Vince's down the line too.
They attacked Austin in the Main Event and sprayed NWO on his back, and from then on it's been a strange sort of 'this isn't as awesome as I thought' sort of vibe. I do like that they've went after Austin and The Rock, but it seems a little removed from the 'injection of cancer' threat Vince McMahon talked about in that crazy swivel chair promo he cut.
I just feel like there was something great there, but just seemed to miss the mark.
I agree they never planned for Hogan to go face so soon, but it does feel like the fans wanted to cheer for the NWO at times and especially Hogan. I guess that all came to head at Wrestlemania, which is odd considering how 'smart' the fans usually are at Wrestlemania.
Then they made their first physical appearance at No Way Out (NWO) 2002 and the fans loved them. They cheered up. Hogan got a huge reaction when he was handed the mic, and appeared to fight back some tears (great acting!). They cut some strange pseudo-face promo and that just seemed to confuse everyone.
They said all the stuff faces would say, but in a snarky manner and I don't think people really picked up on it, or perhaps didn't want that. Perhaps they were still 'cool' and people wanted to like them, and see them kick Ric Flair's arse and maybe Vince's down the line too.
They attacked Austin in the Main Event and sprayed NWO on his back, and from then on it's been a strange sort of 'this isn't as awesome as I thought' sort of vibe. I do like that they've went after Austin and The Rock, but it seems a little removed from the 'injection of cancer' threat Vince McMahon talked about in that crazy swivel chair promo he cut.
I just feel like there was something great there, but just seemed to miss the mark.
I agree they never planned for Hogan to go face so soon, but it does feel like the fans wanted to cheer for the NWO at times and especially Hogan. I guess that all came to head at Wrestlemania, which is odd considering how 'smart' the fans usually are at Wrestlemania.
plagiarize
Banned
They definitely SHOULD have expected a face reaction, especially for Hogan. WCW did the nostalgia red and yellow towards the end and while it was terrible for in ring stuff, it was the most over thing on WCW shows during that period. Hogan to come back to the WWF after 9 years was bound to get face reactions. And he was always super over in Canada.