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July Wrasslin’ |OT| The Ring’s a Field, the Field of War, That’s Where We Lay the Law

Raw64life

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For whatever reason this .gif made me realize how awesome it would be if they'd release the next WWE game on PC, that way the fans could mod it into oblivion until it's actually a good game.
 
Roman definitely wasn't booked the strongest of the group for the first 7-8 months. He was just the muscle guy. He was in the Batista in Evolution role. Well before Batista was going to be the next top guy. Just the big muscle enforcer. But much like Batista, he got over doing the same thing anyway.

Internet marky wieners can't accept that Roman is less talented than Dean and Rollins, but has more of the it factor and star quality.


If Roman was the most pushed guy from the start, he would have been the one to face Undertaker on Smackdown, not Dean.

If Roman was capable of having a singles match he would have faced Underaker on Smackdown. Or not. I recall Rollins saying Undertaker picked Ambrose.

I wouldn't say Reigns has the 'it' factor over Ambrose but he definitely has more star quality than either of the two.

What exactly is the "star quality" that Reigns has? For me someone with "star quality" is Wyatt who's 2 years younger than Reigns and has been wrestling barely a year longer than him. The Indy argument flops with him as well as they're both WWE products.

Just the potential to succeed as WWE at a high level. All three members of The Shield have star quality, but Reigns is obviously the safe bet.
 

DMczaf

Member
Internet marky wieners can't accept that Roman is less talented than Dean and Rollins, but has more of the it factor and star quality.

Eh, he has that Cena/Hogan factor going for him, but that doesn't mean Rollins and Dean won't be mega stars as well. I get the feeling Ambrose will be Macho Man to Roman's Hogan if Ambrose doesn't burn out like Punk. Punk could have had that spot with Cena, but fucked it up.

And then 20 years from now, we will have people knowing that Ambrose Was Right. Roman had jealous eyes!
 
Roman definitely wasn't booked the strongest of the group for the first 7-8 months. He was just the muscle guy. He was in the Batista in Evolution role. Well before Batista was going to be the next top guy. Just the big muscle enforcer. But much like Batista, he got over doing the same thing anyway.

Internet marky wieners can't accept that Roman is less talented than Dean and Rollins, but has more of the it factor and star quality.
I'm not denying star quality potential, but I just haven't seen it. I've seen good booking.

Also, LMAO, please explain the triple power bomb to me that they've been doing since day one. Who does it focus on doing the work?

TLC 2012 (the Shield's first match) - Reigns gets the pin

Elimination Chamber 2013 (a match with John Cena on the other side) - Reigns gets the pin

Wrestlemania 29 (against Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show) - Reigns gets the pin

Extreme Rules 2013 (match for the tag titles) - Reigns gets the pin

Money in the Bank 2013 - Reigns gets the pin

Notice a pattern or do I need to keep going?
 

Ithil

Member
I'm not denying star quality potential, but I just haven't seen it. I've seen good booking.

Also, LMAO, please explain the triple power bomb to me that they've been doing since day one. Who does it focus on doing the work?

TLC 2012 (the Shield's first match) - Reigns gets the pin

Elimination Chamber 2013 (a match with John Cena on the other side) - Reigns gets the pin

Wrestlemania 29 (against Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show) - Reigns gets the pin

Extreme Rules 2013 (match for the tag titles) - Reigns gets the pin

Money in the Bank 2013 - Reigns gets the pin

Notice a pattern or do I need to keep going?

Correction, Ambrose got the pin at WM 29.
 
I'm not denying star quality potential, but I just haven't seen it. I've seen good booking.

Exactly. Someone early was arguing that "we" complain that WWE never builds up people to be big stars. That's not it. It's that when they finally do it's for someone that isn't ready. Not that it matters to them.
 

strobogo

Banned
I'm not denying star quality potential, but I just haven't seen it. I've seen good booking.

Also, LMAO, please explain the triple power bomb to me that they've been doing since day one. Who does it focus on doing the work?

TLC 2012 (the Shield's first match) - Reigns gets the pin

Elimination Chamber 2013 (a match with John Cena on the other side) - Reigns gets the pin

Wrestlemania 29 (against Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show) - Reigns gets the pin

Extreme Rules 2013 (match for the tag titles) - Reigns gets the pin

Money in the Bank 2013 - Reigns gets the pin

Notice a pattern or do I need to keep going?


He also is the one that took the loss in Shield's biggest losses. Batista also got a lot of wins with a powerbomb, but he wasn't pushed super hard until near the end of 2004. Before that, he was the big muscle finisher guy, just like Roman.
 

Ithil

Member
He also is the one that took the loss in Shield's biggest losses. Batista also got a lot of wins with a powerbomb, but he wasn't pushed super hard until near the end of 2004. Before that, he was the big muscle finisher guy, just like Roman.

That's to build them up and get them experience. It doesn't mean they don't expect them to be big stars down the road. Evolution was about making Orton and Batista into top guys. They thought Orton would be THE guy, that turned out to be Cena.
 
That's to build them up and get them experience. It doesn't mean they don't expect them to be big stars down the road. Evolution was about making Orton and Batista into top guys. They thought Orton would be THE guy, that turned out to be Cena.

I wonder who will be the guy that might pull up from behind and take the top spot from Reigns.

Cena+stupid+smile+4.gif
 

Jamie OD

Member
Not sure if any news has popped up, but has there been an announcement for any possible iPPV stateside for the G1 yet?

No announcement anywhere yet. There is a Japanese site called NicoNico that does live streaming and a couple of wrestling companies have used it before so some of us are guessing it will be used for the G1.
 

strobogo

Banned
That's to build them up and get them experience. It doesn't mean they don't expect them to be big stars down the road. Evolution was about making Orton and Batista into top guys. They thought Orton would be THE guy, that turned out to be Cena.

I'm not saying WWE didn't expect and hope for Roman to be a big star. They expect and hope for Rollins and Ambrose to be big stars, too. But Shield was pushed equally hard as a unit and fans gravitated towards Roman.
 

Verendus

Banned
Orton is probably the most disappointing prospect I've seen in WWE that made it to main event status. In 2004, he became the youngest champion ever, and all signs pointed to him being the next top WWE superstar.

Then not only does he end up being surpassed by Cena and Batista, he also ends up being surpassed by Edge. Then he spends the next 3-4 years mostly in the shadow of Cena, Batista, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels and Edge.

He finally gets a chance and is really over in 2009. But then everything has mostly turned to shit by then anyway. Then he gets the default top spot near Cena when everyone who overshadowed him is basically retiring. Then CM Punk pretty much takes over. And now Bryan has taken over. Soon Reigns will take over.

But if there's one thing that shows me, it's that guys like Ambrose, Rollins, and even Cesaro can become consistent main eventers as long as WWE just keeps behind them. They're good enough in the ring, and in the case of Ambrose, he's good at showcasing his character and on the mic. You just need a sustained push. That's it. And they can be up there with Reigns, Bryan and Cena as top of the card over the next few years.

They just need to get them better themes and attires (Cesaro's attire is fine), because damn they suck.
 

somedevil

Member
No announcement anywhere yet. There is a Japanese site called NicoNico that does live streaming and a couple of wrestling companies have used it before so some of us are guessing it will be used for the G1.

Someone is saying that NicoNico is now accepting American credit cards so if anyone wants to try here is the location to get G1:

http://ch.nicovideo.jp/nicopro

Also, its like Roman Reigns is going to start the wrestling fan civil war over his push. My test for him is Summerslam in his first big singles match with Orton. Then I will know if he is ready for the push he is going to get.
 

Verendus

Banned
I'm behind whoever finally takes the spot from Cena. I have no idea how he managed to get this far, but after 7 years or more of his crap, anyone is better. Anyone was better back then to be frank.

Today, I'm more than happy with Reigns taking over. He'll have my full support for that reason alone.
 
Reigns has a star quality about him, regardless of the fact he never got "THIS IS AWESOME" chants in front of 700 fans at an ROH show.

What irks you more, the fact that Reigns isn't yet accomplished enough in the ring to get those chants, or that those damned ROH fans wouldn't chant for him regardless of his evident star power?
 

Showaddy

Member
Also, its like Roman Reigns is going to start the wrestling fan civil war over his push. My test for him is Summerslam in his first big singles match with Orton. Then I will know if he is ready for the push he is going to get.

Funnily enough Orton seems to be the biggest worry for this match, he needs to carry Reigns through it but he's really not in the mood at the moment. Was really poor at the MSG live event and got Headlock chants from start to finish apparently.

Can't imagine he'll be pleased with getting put on Reigns duty because HHH doesn't want to be overshadowed by Cena/Brock.
 
I remember a year ago when there were rumblings that Big E was expected to be the next Cena. I'd actually like to see him improve and make it someday.
 

somedevil

Member
Funnily enough Orton seems to be the biggest worry for this match, he needs to carry Reigns through it but he's really not in the mood at the moment. Was really poor at the MSG live event and got Headlock chants from start to finish apparently.

Can't imagine he'll be pleased with getting put on Reigns duty because HHH doesn't want to be overshadowed by Cena/Brock.

He was always going to get Reigns duty they just pushed it to Summerslam instead of Battleground. Reigns vs Triple H is happening in September to try to get those network renews because a lot of them end after Summerslam. Besides in September there is going to be another Brock match as well.
 
Wow, Inoki jobbed out Daichi Hashimoto to Fujita in a 2 minute match for his IGF debut. Should've gone to New Japan, or just stayed in Z1 where he'd undoubtedly have become a big fish in their admittedly small pond.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Wow, Inoki jobbed out Daichi Hashimoto to Fujita in a 2 minute match for his IGF debut. Should've gone to New Japan, or just stayed in Z1 where he'd undoubtedly have become a big fish in their admittedly small pond.

I saw that, and it made me smile a lot.
 

Ithil

Member
I'm not saying WWE didn't expect and hope for Roman to be a big star. They expect and hope for Rollins and Ambrose to be big stars, too. But Shield was pushed equally hard as a unit and fans gravitated towards Roman.

This is where I don't agree. I feel they gravitated towards him because of his booking, not being "STAR QUALITY" or something intangible.

Most of the supposed "aura" comes from how he's presented, after all. The Rumble record, Survivor Series record, endless pushing of him on commentary, centering him in all shots, giving him all the hot tags, all the pins, having him end the promos with the catchphrase, it all contributes to him becoming the focus and it's very deliberate.
 
This is where I don't agree. I feel they gravitated towards him because of his booking, not being "STAR QUALITY" or something intangible.

Most of the supposed "aura" comes from how he's presented, after all. The Rumble record, Survivor Series record, endless pushing of him on commentary, centering him in all shots, giving him all the hot tags, all the pins, having him end the promos with the catchphrase, it all contributes to him becoming the focus and it's very deliberate.

Yeah, it's not like WWE has been subtle about it.
 
I saw that, and it made me smile a lot.

I was assuming that Inoki would protect him heavily for his first year or so, putting him in easy matches to build him up and get some fans behind him before feeding him to someone like Fujita, but I guess not. Seems like he's traded what could've been his breakout year in Z1/BJW to be Inoki's young lion for however long.

I fully expect Kazuzki Hashimoto to win a major title before Daichi, at this rate.
 
They haven't been doing all that until near the end of last year, a full year after Shield debuted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqdDQTqmqTQ

There's the Smackdown match you're talking about. Reigns spearing Taker through the barricade after he's fucking with Ambrose and Rollins. Michael Cole saying that Reigns is barking "barking out instructions". Reigns leaning over Undertaker as Ambrose and Rollins are behind him. All powerful imagery by design.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Man, WrassleGAF detractors just make up shit.

There ain't no hivemind. Except when it comes to approval of laylakaitlynbump.gif
 
So I was wondering why Charles Burnett isn't more recognized in film circles and went to look up his latest work. One of the movies was Relative Strangers, and apparently, Triple H and Batista are in it.

EDIT: SWERVE turns out Wikipedia fucked up and linked to the wrong Relative Strangers. That temporarily blew my mind though.
 

Carnby

Member
When Roman becomes champion, I'm looking forward to the inevitable Reigns vs Ambrose vs Rollins ppv main event.

That's mildly racist. Does KENTA speak English?

No it's not. If the guy can't speak English that's going to be a challenge in getting him over. Having a manager as a mouth piece doesn't always work.
 
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