Hopefully they make both men look strong and at least elevate Cesaro. The guy needs a good push, he's far too talented.
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July Wrasslin |OT| The Rings a Field, the Field of War, Thats Where We Lay the Law
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Not a ton of great wrasslin' at the latest Clash, but there were a few exciting returns and dat Shockmaster debut. With context, the infamous debut was more awkward and sad than funny. I wondered if the commentators would just act like it didn't happen for the remainder of the event, but Jesse just couldn't help himself, alluding to it multiple times. Best commentator ever.
Okay good. I was worried that you had sexual intercourse with a "drunk woman" that was "looking for some action" even though her judgment was potentially impaired due to the effects of alcohol. I mean, taking advantage of a "drunk woman" is pretty low, wouldn't you agree?
brain_stew
Member
3 of those are already getting a fantastic push. As much as I'd like Cesaro to be that guy, there's a lot more work to do to make him a credible main event competitor. Anyone from the Shield is already at that level in the eyes of your average fan.
The IC title is far beneath Reigns at this point, it's simply not the belt it used to be and Ambrose, Rollins and Reigns have all far surpassed that level now.
Money in the Bank is the modern day IC title and Rollins already has that.
Reigns is over more than Test could ever dream to be any stage in his career. You don't go and blow that buzz for such a marketable figure by giving him a low-midcard belt and completely kill his momentum in the process.
Macho Madness
Member
It is like pushing Test in 99, I think you've got a point there.
lolindiewrestling
Also, lolindiewrestling. I'm going to tweet out that Elgin doesn't seem so strong or something and see if he argues with me.
But if they give the belt to Reigns when he still can't wrestle or work a mic worth shit then he'll flop. Instead of ending up with Cena 2.0 for the next 10 years why don't they just take a year or 2 to build him up slowly so when they shove him down our throats at least we'll have a top guy worth a damn.
Lambda Pie
Banned
tell him Lesnar and Goldberg could do the stuff he does with one arm.
Idk @ROHMichaelElgin is supposed to be a super strong guy, but he's lifting 150lb tiny guys for all his power spots.
How come you are so sensitive, you wussy NERD?
Lambda Pie
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slightconfuse
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Black Republican
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id wish they ditch money in the bank, and replace it with winning the intercontinental belt to cash in for a world championship match later down the line. or atleast rack up enough match point wins as inter. champion for the WWE belt.
funkystudent
Member
If Bryan ever comes back I hope they do a spot where him and Kenta running knee eachother at the same time. I bet that would look hilarious.
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She went all in before she even had a drop
Sibersk Esto
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Random statement: I want a strongly booked King of The Ring back. With the Summerslam title shot and everything.
slightconfuse
Banned
They really don't need to.
Cena is the perfect example of what you're saying. He got the title when he was still terrible in the ring. And a couple months later, fans rejected him but that didn't stop the WWE. They carried on with his push and by 2007, he was finally the definitive top star and they've carried on since with him at the top. He improved from terrible to decent/good at his style in the ring too in that time period.
They can do the same with Reigns. He has the look, and he has crowd support at the moment. Sure his mic skills and ring work need improvement, but that can happen whilst they're booking him at the top. Competent mic skills won't take long (he doesn't need to be The Rock or Jericho), and WWE has shown they care little about great in-ring work at the top. More experienced wrestlers can help hide those weaknesses whilst he's getting his first big run.
What I'm saying is, Cena was as manufactured as they come when he went to the top. And Reigns can easily be his replacement if they give him the same push. No one is going to be saying he's not worthy of being a top star once he streamrolls the entire roster in a period of two years like Cena did back in the day. You'll eventually accept it. Just like people did with Cena.
I don't know...
I'm going to give you a wedgie.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
Same here, and have the finals on PPV. That won't happen anytime soon unfortunately.
I dunno feels like Reigns is even worse than Cena at this point. Cena was at least wrestling solo and had a character with a wrestling style of sorts, Reigns is just a medium
sized guy who does nothing but finish off other peoples matches and promos.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
But how will we make room for such memorable PPVs like "Payback" or "Battleground"?
Cena really sucked in the ring and still got over huge even before the massive push. His debut match with Kurt was good, but that was Kurt in his prime. Cena was pretty garbage in the ring from 2002-2004, but got super over because of his character. He got over having shit matches with Renee Dupree. And he's been the face of the company since. Roman is more exciting of a wrestler now than Cena was at the same point. He also started getting over pretty organically as the big big push didn't really start until recently.
The fans chose Roman to be the top guy of Shield before WWE did, just like they chose Cena before WWE did. Cena wasn't going to amount to dick before the rapper gimmick caught on. People loved Cena and then hated him because they got what they wanted, because wrestling fans are assholes that will turn on absolutely everything.
The fans chose Roman to be the top guy of Shield before WWE did, just like they chose Cena before WWE did. Cena wasn't going to amount to dick before the rapper gimmick caught on. People loved Cena and then hated him because they got what they wanted, because wrestling fans are assholes that will turn on absolutely everything.
2nd best Samoan Drop of all time... after Umaga. #Fact
I don't think wrestling fans turned on him because they're assholes. It's because fans at the time were behind Brotista and he became huge at the time by beating enemy number one in Triple H. When Cena came to Raw, Brotista was the biggest star and went to Smackdown, and fans basically said 'Fuck you' to Cena as the star because they were already behind someone else. Batista didn't run into the same problem for a couple years even though he was doing the same thing Cena was doing. It didn't help that Cena's rapper gimmick looked corny as shit next to cocky, arrogant face Batista.
WWE just pulled the trigger on Cena to Raw too quickly to make him the face of company. It's even worse in retrospect because he didn't really become the real leading star until 2007 so they pretty much screwed themselves over. They could've probably waited a year or so and avoided any problems. It wasn't like Cena was going anywhere. I think he's in his mid-thirties now so they had all the time in the world but they were probably desperate.
This is also what they should be aware of with Reigns. He has good crowd support right now, but if Bryan is coming back, they need to do the smart thing and keep them both looking strong and good. Last thing I want to see is another backlash against a top star, but it seems like Cena's booking over the past 9 years has made that inevitable for any star WWE choose to book as the next big thing.
I thought Bryan retired though...
Well I was too young to actually know if he was good or not but I thought he was cool
Well I was too young to actually know if he was good or not but I thought he was cool
Mr. Luchador
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I sent £1 to America. That should cover it.
JesseEwiak
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Tournaments don't draw.
Jimmy King
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Wrestling fans: Beg for Paige to get called up, get super hyped when she does. 3 weeks later, they start bitching about lolpaigewins
Wrestling fans: Beg for Bryan to get the big push and start winning matches. Start bitching right away lolbryanwins.
Wrestling fans are absolutely assholes who will bitch over everything, even things they want.
Macho Madness
Member
Yeah, saying the fans picked Roman before WWE did is complete baloney. He's always been the strongest booked of the Shield.
Pretty much, it was very obvious from the start they intended him to be the "top guy" breaking out of the group. Never mind that Roman got over with the fans through very strong booking and the main focus being on him.
Acting like WWE were just forced to go along with the fans demands for Roman is ridiculous.
JesseEwiak
Member
There are plenty of hard pushed guys in the WWE that flopped. The lack of World title reigns for guys like Nathan Jones and Matt Morgan show that. Reigns has a star quality about him, regardless of the fact he never got "THIS IS AWESOME" chants in front of 700 fans at an ROH show.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
I actually liked Payback and Battleground looks to be fun lol. It can't be worse than last years, right?
Which explains why the last couple of times they had KOTR, it was on TV.
But there's New Japan and they have plenty of tournaments so It's all good. At least tournaments draw over there!
Macho Madness
Member
They've gotten pretty good at protecting people that they want to protect. If Reigns was out there cutting RANDY'S BITCH! promos RANDY'S BITCH! and wrestling RANDY'S BITCH! singles matches every week, he would be another Matt RANDY'S BITCH! Mortgan and Nathan RANDY'S BITCH! Jones.
It's a little bit early to say he has or hasn't flopped. Regardless of his supposed "star quality".
Roman definitely wasn't booked the strongest of the group for the first 7-8 months. He was just the muscle guy. He was in the Batista in Evolution role. Well before Batista was going to be the next top guy. Just the big muscle enforcer. But much like Batista, he got over doing the same thing anyway.
Internet marky wieners can't accept that Roman is less talented than Dean and Rollins, but has more of the it factor and star quality.
If Roman was the most pushed guy from the start, he would have been the one to face Undertaker on Smackdown, not Dean.
Internet marky wieners can't accept that Roman is less talented than Dean and Rollins, but has more of the it factor and star quality.
If Roman was the most pushed guy from the start, he would have been the one to face Undertaker on Smackdown, not Dean.
He got the pin in all their big matches, his spear was used to end most matches, and he was talked up the most of all three.
And you're being silly if you think Batista in Evolution wasn't supposed to become a big star.
What exactly is the "star quality" that Reigns has? For me someone with "star quality" is Wyatt who's 2 years younger than Reigns and has been wrestling barely a year longer than him. The Indy argument flops with him as well as they're both WWE products.
But Bryan is still the most over star in the roster. I mean, I don't really like him that much in the absolute top spot, but I never have. He still gets the biggest positive reaction on the roster though, and when he returns, that'll likely continue to be massive.
And I see your point, but don't think that reflects what happened with Cena. His backlash wasn't fans being assholes. It's him being put in a position above someone else fans were behind at the time and looking sub-par in comparison.
Having said that, whoever is positioned as the next top face has one big benefit. People will love him for taking the spot from Cena, and that's one thing that will help an already popular Reigns. It's just a case of whether WWE books well beyond that.