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July Wrasslin' |OT| All this G1 talk is making me Climax.
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They only want Roman over.
Omg this is incredible
Yep. It's that WWE working style and Vince's overbearing influence over everything. Everyone wrestles the same, bumps the same, set-up spots the same, etc. It was even more super-noticeable watching it in person last night. It's just the paint-by-numbers style they work now. There's no psychology, no flow, no creativity. Just random moves till you get a chance to work your signature stuff in. Boring.
Everyone has become neutered, matches are mostly meaningless, results are often a clusterfuck/unsatisfactory as a means to advance their stupid nonsensical storylines and set up the next series of matches in a crappily built-up feuds. You'll very rarely get a satisfactory in-ring story, like with Usos/New Day (and even that was formulaic in lots of ways) and it's apparent that it's not the wrasslers at fault here.
Maybe New Japan and others have spoiled me, but nothing about this product is entertaining right now and I think I'm not alone in feeling that way.
I remember calling it the Applebees of Wrassling before and I think that's the perfect descriptor. Lowest common denominator garbage that people who don't know any better happily gobble up.
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Anyone wanting to sign up for njpw should wait a week so you don't get double charged
Njpw always charges you on the 1st of a month
Njpw always charges you on the 1st of a month
HashtagLapsed
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Is Russo freelancing because the flag match looks like something he would come up with
31 May 2017 - Vince Russo Claims to be in Contact With WWE Again
Look at this helpful Heather.
StWilson85
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PROGRESS chapter 52 thoughts
CCK / Extra Talent-ed / Banter Edition had musing start with Mastiff's birthday celebrations. Extra Talent-ed were apparently the heels because reasons? They were fairly impressive. CCK continue to baffle me, I have no idea what folk see in them. Lots of "sick" tag moves that makes absolutely zero sense, (including one particular highlight where Brookes piledrives Lykos) daft meandering promos and after the awful botched finished Brookes hit one of ET with a vicious steel chair shot, that seemed totally unnecessary.
T-Bone vs Mike Bird was flat and frankly didn't really feel like a PROGRESS match.
Toni Storm and Di Matteo brought the crowd back to life with a pretty solid slow burner of match. Definitely worth catching. I always feel like the women's matches are missing something without Jinny though.
Riddle vs Banks was on the way to being a genuine match of the year contender, up until the tired overused finish. Full of heavy hitting, chops and suplexes. Definitely one to catch on demand. Sadly the finish brought it down, and made Banks look like a bit of a twat later on.
Sexsmith/C.D.Dunne/Mambo/Gibson was fine. I do wish PROGRESS would do something with Gibson though. Last year he had legitimate heat, and felt like with a bit of a push and getting put in the ring with more talented workers could've catapulted him. Unfortunately he's now just a bit lost, continuing to say the same tired speech over and over and losing constantly.
P. Dunne / Eddie Dennis was much better than it had any right to be. I'd never been too enamored with Eddie's in ring performances before, and felt like Andrews was carrying him but both him and Pete were great here. Came across as a great coming out party for Eddie's decision to take wrestling on full time. Harking back to earlier, thought it would've made sense for Banks to get involved here and give Eddie a title shot next week, instead Pete cheated as always and Banks didn't want to get revenge for earlier in the night. Still, worth catching.
War Machine / BSS was probably not as great as you would expect, despite still being very very good. Worth watching just to see Bate hit an aeroplane spin (with a squat) on Hanson.
CCK vs Extra Talent-ed was announced for Camden.
I'm thinking that Riddle will be Dunne's opponent next week, so they can then headline the NYC show for the title.
T-Bone vs Mike Bird was flat and frankly didn't really feel like a PROGRESS match.
Toni Storm and Di Matteo brought the crowd back to life with a pretty solid slow burner of match. Definitely worth catching. I always feel like the women's matches are missing something without Jinny though.
Riddle vs Banks was on the way to being a genuine match of the year contender, up until the tired overused finish. Full of heavy hitting, chops and suplexes. Definitely one to catch on demand. Sadly the finish brought it down, and made Banks look like a bit of a twat later on.
Sexsmith/C.D.Dunne/Mambo/Gibson was fine. I do wish PROGRESS would do something with Gibson though. Last year he had legitimate heat, and felt like with a bit of a push and getting put in the ring with more talented workers could've catapulted him. Unfortunately he's now just a bit lost, continuing to say the same tired speech over and over and losing constantly.
P. Dunne / Eddie Dennis was much better than it had any right to be. I'd never been too enamored with Eddie's in ring performances before, and felt like Andrews was carrying him but both him and Pete were great here. Came across as a great coming out party for Eddie's decision to take wrestling on full time. Harking back to earlier, thought it would've made sense for Banks to get involved here and give Eddie a title shot next week, instead Pete cheated as always and Banks didn't want to get revenge for earlier in the night. Still, worth catching.
War Machine / BSS was probably not as great as you would expect, despite still being very very good. Worth watching just to see Bate hit an aeroplane spin (with a squat) on Hanson.
CCK vs Extra Talent-ed was announced for Camden.
I'm thinking that Riddle will be Dunne's opponent next week, so they can then headline the NYC show for the title.
BronsonLee
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The smartest thing I did yesterday was not spend money to go to Battleground
Even just watching it at home while drinking I got bored
Even just watching it at home while drinking I got bored
TarpitCarnivore
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On one hand, I'm happy a bunch of people are jumping ship to NJPW, Progress, Evolve, etc
On the other, I really hope this trend of "God, NJPW does it so much better" keeps propping up. I'm seeing it a lot on Reddit where people keep saying "thank god for G1" or things of the nature and it's going to be off putting to anyone who has modicum of curiosity in NJPW.
Ultimately they're entirely different companies going at wrestling from different ways. This isn't like the ole WCW vs WWF stuff
On the other, I really hope this trend of "God, NJPW does it so much better" keeps propping up. I'm seeing it a lot on Reddit where people keep saying "thank god for G1" or things of the nature and it's going to be off putting to anyone who has modicum of curiosity in NJPW.
Ultimately they're entirely different companies going at wrestling from different ways. This isn't like the ole WCW vs WWF stuff
Don't worry Heroman will put people off
im scared of khali!!
Truly a PPV for the ages
Officerrob
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100% serious, they need to break down the Punjabi Prison and burn it. That match type never needs to happen again
HashtagLapsed
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They are presented completely differently. Some people wont like NJPW or PWG or whatever style and thats fine. When WWE is good, its great. The main roster product has just been terrible post mania. Not because it isnt presented like NJPW but because they are failing at presenting their own style well.
Also apparently Jinder isnt well liked by the Indian fanbase and Khali was supposed to be a kind of rub. They buy into the heel/face thing hard so having Khali come out to do heel shit seems counter productive.
TarpitCarnivore
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Shoot: Nak has been mainly boring to me since coming over to WWE/NXT
So I was at the show last night...
It was impossible to see the Prison match. They did not show it on the Tron, but only on the arena scoreboard, which was basically rasied to the roof because they wanted it visable when the cage was hanging the rest of the show. Seriously, it was in the banners. Impossible to look at without cranking your head up.
It was impossible to see the Prison match. They did not show it on the Tron, but only on the arena scoreboard, which was basically rasied to the roof because they wanted it visable when the cage was hanging the rest of the show. Seriously, it was in the banners. Impossible to look at without cranking your head up.
TarpitCarnivore
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When I went back and watched No Mercy 2007 for the original prison match I asked how in the world anyone could enjoy it because of how hard it is to see visually, even from the tv
HashtagLapsed
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I agree. He knows he can get by, for now, on charisma and his entrance. I think people will get sick of him doing what he is doing now though. His reputation preceeded him and he isnt wrestling strong style.
SomewhatGroovy
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I did not enjoy KO and AJ's first match at all at Backlash and here. It seems the restraints of the WWE style of storytelling in addition to these two being the two biggest stars has them reining in the crazy matches they could and should be having.
BronsonLee
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Yeah I live and die on watching the show on the big screens since I love sitting in the nosebleeds
Thank god I didn't go, fuck that Punjabi Prison. Completely unfilmable too
Thank god I didn't go, fuck that Punjabi Prison. Completely unfilmable too
BewareTheBatsie
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I wonder if they just don't click. AJ had great matches with people who aren't god tier in the ring themselves (Roman, Ambrose, Shane) but with KO even when having two matches with some decent length to them the matches were kind of meh.
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Biggest advantage that every other promotion has is that they are for the most part monthly shows
Depending on the week we does 6-10 hours a week
It's too much
Depending on the week we does 6-10 hours a week
It's too much
you're not wrong
TarpitCarnivore
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I think the problem is he came over on so much damn hype with people only watching his WK10 match, so they just expected that level of wrestling.
People argued that the way they handled his showing up on Smackdown was to "protect him" but honestly it was nothing more than building out a brand. All Nak is to WWE is an entrance and brand. Same thing as Naomi
ko doesn't seem to click with many people...
and yeah nakamura has been boring except for his first match with sami which was good. i don't really watch anything but i'm waiting to hear about a good nakamura match. AJ got given some shit to start with and made the best of it, nakamura just seems to be leaving it what it is.
and yeah nakamura has been boring except for his first match with sami which was good. i don't really watch anything but i'm waiting to hear about a good nakamura match. AJ got given some shit to start with and made the best of it, nakamura just seems to be leaving it what it is.
Like?
Sweeney Tom
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I liked that midway into the Punjabi Prison I was like "boy, first House of Horrors, now this. Orton's one match away from owning the top 3 likeliest picks for Worst Match of the Year" and eventually the match ended with a tease for the third and final match in this trilogy: Khali/Orton
Officerrob
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Outside of his match with Zayn, I'm inclined to agree
I'm not sure what the fuck that was with AJ and Owens, but both those guys have nothing to worry about
TarpitCarnivore
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Not going against the grain, but I don't mind Corbin, Jinder or Roman right now. I think they're perfectly fine in their roles and what they're intended to be. It's just the entire presentation of the product makes them seem so much worse than they are.
In good news, AJPW have sold all the very expensive front row special tickets for their Sumo Hall show, pretty much immediately. This will probably cover nearly all their expenses for the event. Everything else will be gravy.
Looks like the Kento > Shuji title switch might be booking decision of the year. Based Uncle Jun.
Looks like the Kento > Shuji title switch might be booking decision of the year. Based Uncle Jun.
Officerrob
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Jinder's presentation is literally the only good thing about him, outside of that he just a bland wrestler who sucks on promos
TarpitCarnivore
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Honestly if Jinder wasn't in the main title picture I think people would be less angered with his push. However, people also seem to forget belts literally mean shit now. Looking back at some champions you had Jarret, Ahmed Johnson, Marty Jannety, Tito Santanna,
Not really. He's a suckass wrestler and promo in a roster with much more talent than him. I'd rather he wasn't on the show at all and taking any spot.
TarpitCarnivore
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But the problem with this is then we end up with the dreaded 50/50 booking so many people hate when two top guys face off. For some reason wrestling fans have an extreme hatred for it in WWE, but have no problem with the guys in NJPW trading wins/loses.
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