Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's real to me.
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July Wrasslin |OT| The Game, The Kane, The Pain, and The Insane (AJ)
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It's real to me.
Dragon Kid is kind of sloppy at points and also isnt as good as he used to be
Why sign Dragon Kid when they have Mistico?
i think Hoga had tha move where he is on his knees feint surrendering, but all of a sudden would low blow.
SquashMatch
Member
.....damnit
That and the fact Hogan that had a 5 year rivalry with Andre, was a tweener during the Elisabeth storyline, had his era end during the Warrior days etc...
Keyser Soze
Member
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That'd be a nice tag.
Kccitystar
Member
I think you're talking about Ric Flair
I last saw him about 2 years ago. He looked really good to me in person, and he rocks on all of the Dragon Gate DVDs I've seen him on. I guess I've missed something recently.
only if he fights Heath Slater over and over. hardly anyone in the wwe knows how to wrestle Sin Cara.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Watched a bunch of these Touts, a lot of kids and even adults loving all over Cena saying he's their biggest fan and whatnot: http://www.tout.com/latest
He's always gonna be the star till he retires.
He's always gonna be the star till he retires.
I think I undersold Hogan's moveset. Here is a 2 minute highlight clip from 1983 from NJPW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa0liaS0ckA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa0liaS0ckA
how are you gonna track him down. you cant see his face.
This asshole right here is the reason the WWE continues to suck.
We need to track him down and make an example out of him.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Wait, you didn't know about Ichiban Hogan? I thought you guys were just arguing his American stuff...
BS.
They have the best technical wrestler (and one of the most versatile workers) in Bryan Danielson
They have the biggest draw in Mexico in Mistico
They have a member of one of the most well known wrestling families in Mexico in Alberto del Rio.
They have CM Punk, who is as good on the stick as anyone and almost as versatile as Danielson.
They still have Chris Jericho and christian, who can pull good matches out of anyone
Kane proved he can contribute positively to a feud in the triple threat last month, though he certainly isn't as capable as he was in the past.
They have Mark Henry, who probably had the best Monster Heel run since Kane's first few years (And I say this as someone who has hated Mark Henry for most of his career).
They have cody rhodes and dolph ziggler, both amazing ring workers that pull the best out of their opponents (particularly ziggler).
They have Kofi and R Truth, who have shown that, if given the ball, they can do amazing things (see Kofi's feud with Orton and R Truth when he had a heel turn).
They have Evan Bourne, a great high flyer that the crowd loves.
They have Wade Barrett, who EASILY handled the demands of being an upper card heel, both on the mic and in the ring.
They've come up with two incredible angles with MitB 2011 and the NXT invasion 2 years ago (Both of which they botched), two angles that really, really could have been as big as the rise of Stone Cold and the NWO.
They have a kid-marketable guy in John Cena.
WWE has a very, very, very strong roster. The problem is that the only purpose of the roster is to make Cena look good. Cena IS WWE. That's the problem.
Actually, he's been at his best in the last few years, mostly because he has slowed down his pace a bit. But if youre looking for a Rey replacement, he's not it. He's actually just as old as Mysterio, around 36 or so i think
i kinda miss Ric Flair. cant he come back for one more match?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Most of those guys wouldn't even be able to hold Rocky and SCSA's jockstrap during the AE. The fact that you mentioned "WWE has the most technically impressive wrestler" tells me that you don't get it and why the stars in the AE were so huge.
Go down through every one of those and tell us why they can't be big stars.
Like I said chant someone else. You can tell who is actually is as popular as Cena by how the crowd chants when that person fights Cena. When Orton fought him, he didn't get Cena Sucks. He got "let's go Orton." CM Punk didn't get Cena suck chants, Shawn Michaels didn't get Cena sucks chant.
Compare that to tonight. Did anyone get a crowd reaction besides Cena in that match?
I think you're the one who doesn't get it...
Jericho got a lot of cheers and some Y2J chants
Dude, that shit was on ESPN. I'd see random mentions of it pop up on sport message boards. I'd see people shout out "CM PUNK!" in random gaming sessionns on Steam. I saw grown men wearing CM Punk shirts in public walking down the street.
It could have made wrestling huge again. It really, really could have.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Cena's never, ever done anything of the sort. The only mainstream coverage he's ever gotten is Make A Wish shilling.
SquashMatch
Member
You can have all the talent in the world but when two complete idiots like Stephanie McMahon and HHH are running the show this is what you get on a weekly basis.
Very, very good post. Talent is not the problem. Scripted promos, no booking vision, and the protection of John Cena are the problem. Of course the little Jimmies like Cena, they like who they are told to like. Kofi, Bourne, Ziggler etc. Could all get little Jimmy followings if the WWE would give them a shot.
I think Punk was right on when he said Cena kisses Vince's ass more than Hogan did. Cena obviously knows how to play the politics in the back, it is the only reasonable explanation.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Why? Rock and SCSA were once in a gen type of stars. Everyone in high school was talking about them, they were massively over. Raw was getting Walking Dead/Jersey Shore-like ratings week after week, 52 weeks a year. Rock and SCSA had something special that none of those guys have. I don't even know why I have to explain this, you're all smarter than me.
Phoenixazure
Member
I dunno about u, but i decided to watch some Dean Ambrose promos and matches and i feel all better now.
Here's to hoping he debuts soon.
Here's to hoping he debuts soon.
SquashMatch
Member
Me too, Cena needs fresh meat.
From his 20 fans in the building.
You keep saying Austin/Rock had something special, etc. Go down through that list and tell me what each of those guys doesn't have, why are they not special?
I want you to support your claims beyond telling us that Austin/Rock were big stars. I know they were.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I shouldn't have to explain to you or any other regular of Wrasslegaf why that list of names don't have what Rocky and SCSA had. Are you serious?
Yes. Dead serious. Explain it.
billy beane
Banned
Heavy, if the PG route is the way to go for the WWE, how come almost everything is in decline?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Wrestling in general is in decline, in the same way that certain types of TV shows and genres of movies are hot for several years and then fade away.
billy beane
Banned
But shouldn't they be trying to do something different to get better? If this formula isn't working for them, then why keep doing it?
PG isn't the problem, though. Things were as raunchy as ever in 2006 and 2007. Cena still sucked, he just made lame ass "you're gay" and "choke on my nuts" jokes. The product has been in decline due to lazy ass storylines, horrendous pacing, pushes that go nowhere. Things were very raunchy in 2002, and that was the worst the product ever was to me. Though, this is probably just as bad, and maybe even worse. Back then, at least, SD! was still pretty good, while HHH buried everyone on RAW.
SquashMatch
Member
I think it is fair to say that no one is SCSA or Rock level on this roster, but if no one is ever allowed to run with the ball besides Cena how will we ever know? Hell, TNA let Roode run with the ball and he was fantastic, ratings werent great but he built a foundation that TNA hasnt had in a long time. You have to invest in guys to make them stars and WWE wont do it and it will come around and bite them in the ass, and soon.
SCSA was a WCW reject and look what he became. They let him cut promos without a script and shape his own character and look what happened. I mean seriously, he was the freaking Ringmaster and from that horrible wwe start he became a legend. I wish WWE would give the new guys the same chance they gave him.
cr_blah_blah
Member
They weren't chanting "Die Rocky, Die" they were saying "The Rocky, The". It's German.
billy beane
Banned
I know that, but it was in response to him saying why we wonder why they're going PG.
Vince? i dont know
We've been doing it wrong all along, friend. It's a whole new world out there.
http://www.tout.com/m/z5sg41
