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June 2004 NPD Video Game Sales Data (Wedbush Morgan Report)
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Baron Aloha
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jarrod said:
Speaking of Canada. Why can't we find someone to give us Canadian NPD figures? Just imagine a double dose of NPD goodness each month!!!
http://www.npdfunworld.com/funServlet?nextpage=pr_body.html&content_id=702
jarrod said:
ISAWTP
More fun with numbers...
First half of 2003 (Jan-Jun)
Xbox= 944,394 GC= 721,322
We all know that Nintendo was forced into the $99 price drop so they would meet Fiscal Year sales expectations. They ended up edging the Xbox by over 100K for the year, but were still a million short of meeting company goals.
First half of 2004 (Jan - Jun)
Xbox= 1,370,793 GC= 713,905
Nintendo sales are basically equal with last years at this point, but does Nintendo have anything left in the tank to spur on sales for the Holidays? Bundling doesn't have nearly the effect as a price drop. MS knows this first hand.
First half of 2003 (Jan-Jun)
Xbox= 944,394 GC= 721,322
We all know that Nintendo was forced into the $99 price drop so they would meet Fiscal Year sales expectations. They ended up edging the Xbox by over 100K for the year, but were still a million short of meeting company goals.
First half of 2004 (Jan - Jun)
Xbox= 1,370,793 GC= 713,905
Nintendo sales are basically equal with last years at this point, but does Nintendo have anything left in the tank to spur on sales for the Holidays? Bundling doesn't have nearly the effect as a price drop. MS knows this first hand.
I dunno, the JSRF/Sega GT bundle took everyone by surprise performance wise. The PS2 GT3 bundle was hugely successful also as has the Halo bundle been... I think it really just takes the right software. That said, I don't think Metroid Prime is the right software. :/jedimike said:
Rocket Punch
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BeOnEdge said:
Yes, because MS never did these...
I think a Mario bundle would have more weight, Mario still has pull with casuals. Maybe have a combination of Mario Sunshine, Mario Kart or a Zelda syle Mario Collection (NES SMB1-3+64). Then again, a Mario Compilation might eat into sales of the Mario Advance series and the upcoming Mario 64x4 on DS.human5892 said:
It'd be nice if the upcoming Prime bundle had Metroid 1-3 thrown on a bonus disc.
They just had the Halo bundle this spring.jedimike said:
Well, they had the Mario Sunshine bundle for a while there...I'm not sure exactly what kind of sales that drove, though. A classic Mario disc would sell greatly, but I don't think that would ever happen; as you said, the GBA ports just sell way too much for that.jarrod said:
Mario Kart seems like it might be a good idea, especially since it sold so well. Maybe they could throw in a Mario 64 port at the risk of cannabalizing the 4x4 version on the DS?
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
dude, MS arent that far ahead, they are only ahead by about 180K, but tht gap is gonna increase due to Halo 2. Halo 2 aint gonna do shit to Sony but its really gonna hurt Nintendo and I'm not sure if Zelda GC can make up for gamecube sales by the time this generation ends. If MS does end up second, then I've gotta say congrats to them.BeOnEdge said:427k!!!!! i'm still on the floor from that one. good god. anyway, without a doubt, ms is #2 worldwide now. even though the end of this gen, japan will not help nintendo. put it like this. japan is 3 million ahead in GCs favor. US is 2m in XBs favor, atleast 1m in EU and another 1 in australia where GC is non existant. as long as US or EU keep XB as their 2nd choice console, the sales will always make up for MS dire situation in japan. BTW, i have reschedules the UPRISING 'til september.I wonder what nintendo will do this fall? they really have nowhere to go. it will be very interesting. 2 free games maybe? 3? sega tried 3 free with saturn in the end too. LOL.
Anyway, thanks for answering my question about Japan/Asia/Australia sale numbers Jedimike
Chopin Trusty Balls
First casualty in the war on idioticy.
To clear some things up,Australia and New Zeald belong to Asia region according to MS.
According to MS interview in January thier installed base is around 50% higher then GC i.e for every 10 GCs there are 15 XBs in german households.
Also according to him they are also ahead of GC in whole of Europe,but no concrete numbers,doubt Nintendo pulled ahead since then.
According to MS interview in January thier installed base is around 50% higher then GC i.e for every 10 GCs there are 15 XBs in german households.
Also according to him they are also ahead of GC in whole of Europe,but no concrete numbers,doubt Nintendo pulled ahead since then.
i think it'll more dependant on how the GC fares up thru october. the only reason it sold 100k this month was because of 4 swords IMO. without any other major titles til fall, the GC loses even more mindshare than it already has while the XB and PS2 keep the hits coming. that negativity for nintendo and positivity for sony and MS will carry christmas.
CrimsonSkies
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There's no way Nintendo outsells Microsoft this holiday with Halo 2 coming.
SolidSnakex
Member
It'll be Sony, MS then Nintendo this Holiday. If Nintendo doesn't make some kind of move this holiday, i'd say they've just about given up on the GC because that's what it seems like now.
Er... keep reaching. PS2/Xbox aren't exactly bursting with major summer releases either, how do you come to the conclusion GC will lose enough mindshare in a insignificant period (summer) to actually affect the most important season (holidays)? Actually, Nintendo has a record of having the greatest gains in the 4th quarter (it's when they move something like 60% of their product).BeOnEdge said:
Though really, your reasoning is invalid anyway considering GC has a few summer releases that rank as more important than Four Swords (Tales of Symphonia, WWE and Pikmin 2 being the notbale big exclusives, with solid multiplatform support like Madden, NCAA, Catwoman, SRS, Digimon, NASCAR, T3, etc).
SolidSnakex said:
That would be MS that's giving up on their console after this Christmas....Cube still has 2005 with a little thing called Realistic Zelda.....
And I don't really think Nintendo gives a fuck what position they are in the US if they are still rolling in the dough (minus EA) over everyone else. Just ask Sega which one is more important: profits or amount of consoles sold
SolidSnakex
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"Er... keep reaching. PS2/Xbox aren't exactly bursting with major summer releases either,"
GTA, GT4 and MGS3 aren't major? You've got 2 of those franchises which take up the top 3 best selling games this gen. That's about as major as you can get. And MGS3 is huge too.
GTA, GT4 and MGS3 aren't major? You've got 2 of those franchises which take up the top 3 best selling games this gen. That's about as major as you can get. And MGS3 is huge too.
pikmin tales and those other games you listed are all niche games. they might be great games (havent played any of them) but they only appeal to a small amount of people.
thats like me saying xbox has the blockbusters panzer dragoon orta. it was a great game, to very few. it doenst have the widespread appeal.
panzer tanked in sales as will tales and pikmin 2.
you have to compare guaranteed sellers like halo 2, gt4 and gta sa. gc has nothing this year that is like that.
metroid prime 2 will come but the first one while a good game didnt sell as well as it should have. hence i dont think the second will either.
thats like me saying xbox has the blockbusters panzer dragoon orta. it was a great game, to very few. it doenst have the widespread appeal.
panzer tanked in sales as will tales and pikmin 2.
you have to compare guaranteed sellers like halo 2, gt4 and gta sa. gc has nothing this year that is like that.
metroid prime 2 will come but the first one while a good game didnt sell as well as it should have. hence i dont think the second will either.
Xbox sales as a percentage of PS2 sales in NA since june 2003
june 2003 38%
july 44%
august 50%
september 52
october 59
november 58
december 57
january 2004 57
febuary 56
march 67
april 1.58
may 86
june 61
so you see where the xbox is gaining, even this pass month was better than anything since febuary of 2004. Although PS2 is the dominant market, you have to be blind to not see the trend. The next 3-4 months should be interesting, as we will get some settling of where things are at before christmas.
I can see why alot of people thought the xbox would be closer this month, but that really was too much too soon in terms of what to expect. I think it will be around the march figure of .67 for the next 3 months.
more figures for thoughts
june 2003 38%
july 44%
august 50%
september 52
october 59
november 58
december 57
january 2004 57
febuary 56
march 67
april 1.58
may 86
june 61
so you see where the xbox is gaining, even this pass month was better than anything since febuary of 2004. Although PS2 is the dominant market, you have to be blind to not see the trend. The next 3-4 months should be interesting, as we will get some settling of where things are at before christmas.
I can see why alot of people thought the xbox would be closer this month, but that really was too much too soon in terms of what to expect. I think it will be around the march figure of .67 for the next 3 months.
more figures for thoughts
SolidSnakex
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etiolate said:
You'd think they'd buy more if that were the case.
Journeywalker
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BOE, I'm not really seeing the summer releases for Xbox that are making Nintendo lose mindshare. I probably shouldn't be making predictions (addressing the man who has egg on his face), but I'd say TOS outsells Sudeki in July and through the end of August.
OG_Original Gamer
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From this moment on I'm going to stay out the prediction market, gaming is to unpredictable. I see alot of you discount MP2 and RE4 as big holiday games, I would even as far as adding Paper Mario as this years MKD as a Nintendo I.P.
This is my last prediction.
D as a Nintendo I.P.This is my last prediction.
Link316 said:
No one's expecting it to come out Spring 2005. I think everyone knows it'll be out Fall 2005. Besides, Nintendo hasn't given us a date, and by the time it reaches US shores, it will have been 3 years in development and planning.
And I don't think any Nintendo-developed game this gen has been delayed for more than two weeks.
Pikmin 2 will outsell every summer XBox release.bheemer said:
Early reports seem to indicate the opposite for Tales actually. And Pikmin's an EAD proberty, so at least 500k is assurred.bheemer said:
I agree with that in terms of huge releases, though GameCube has a healthy lineup regardless this fall, even if it's missing a singular killer app. It'll do fine, not as well as last year or beat out XBox but people like BOE comparing the platform to Saturn is downright laughable.bheemer said:
Your reasoning is shit. Keep digging...BeOnEdge said:
I'd agree. It's also on GameCube. BOE's whole argument hinged PS2/XBox succeeding in an area GC was lacking.Link316 said:
True, I'm not arguing summer hardware performance though, rather I'm arguing against the insane notion that GC's summer software lineup will somehow effect it's performance/mindshare this Christmas.Link316 said:
jarrod, you are a sage. You beat me to many of those responses, as I was thinking exactly the same thing as I read through BOE's & especially bheemer's non-sensical ramblings. Pikmin a niche title? It's quite possible that he has no grasp of what this word means. 600k+ individuals seem to think differently. PDO should never be mentioned in the same breath as Pikmin sales performance wise, due to Pikmin boasting over a million+ between JPN & NA alone. TOS will tank? Similar to how FF:CC tanked right?
GameCube + SSBM + Mario Kart + extra controller Multiplayer bundle for $129 would outsell Xbox...
I'm not sure if Pikmin 2 will sell as well as Pikmin did, in the US. Donkey Konga is a game everyone is underestimating, I predict that to be over 1 million in the US by the end of the year.
I'm not sure if Pikmin 2 will sell as well as Pikmin did, in the US. Donkey Konga is a game everyone is underestimating, I predict that to be over 1 million in the US by the end of the year.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I'm gonna agree, Xbox will outsell GC this fall. Sure, Nintendo have Metriod Prime 2 and some other games, but it's not gonna be enough to counter halo 2, unless Halo 2 flops, which looks very unlikely. Nintendo have to make a bundle, they could bundle up a GC with MP2 for $99.99, which would sell like crazy and could very well outsell Xbox. They could also bundle SMS and Zelda: WW or they could bundle a couple of Multiplayer games.BeOnEdge said:OH MY GOD!!!! MESSEGE BOARD CREDIBILITY AGAIN!!! OH NO!!! OH NO!!!! THE POSTERS WILL NOT LIKE ME!!! OH NO!!! who cares! LOL!!!
AniHawk said:
Wishful thinking, although SSBM+an extra controller I find to be very feasible. (esp. due to MKDD's relative newness) But SSBM has been a very consistent cash cow for Nintendo since launch, even after going PC. Speaking of, remember how long it took to go PC? They may have to simply bite the bullet on this one. Throw in SFA for the mainstream graphic whores to sweeten/sour the bundle while they're at it.