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Regarding heels - part of the problem these days is that the audience is so tired of boring characters that they'll simply cheer for anyone who's simply entertaining, regardless of if they're the hero or villain in a storyline. They're not going to boo the only character that makes the story engaging at this point.
ratcliffja
Member
I think people have been so conditioned to WWE ignoring what the fans want that they desperately want to cheer anybody that they want to see, whereas people in the Attitude era were happy to boo compelling villains like the Rock, HHH, and the Undertaker. Another major difference is that the work rate has never been better while the stories and promos are mostly stale and boring, so the only thing fans can cheer for is who can put on the best matches. Also, faces are so watered down that it's harder to get behind them in a way that somebody trying to foil then would draw boos. AJ and KO are great heels, but they can't really get booed if they don't have a compelling face fighting against them. It's a shame that CM Punk had an ego problem and Daniel Bryan got hurt because they were the only 2 wrestlers since John Cena to actually have a shot at becoming the face of the brand while still being embraced by the fans.
Besides Miz leaning too far into "smarky insider reference that makes a segment of the crowd laugh or think he's cool" schtick, he does his damnedest to remain a full on villain to earn boos and hatred for being a villain.
But he still gets his share of "you're so cool and doing such a good job" cheers.
Booing, displeasure, hatred, heat, whatever isn't sufficient to make a good heel but it's necessary.
If your villain is getting cheered, he's not the villain. If your villain isn't getting any reaction at all, he's not good at whatever he's doing.
The question was a set-up of sorts because I agree with this.
The biggest heels in WWE are playing on the crowd in some manner: the performer "doesn't deserve it", the performer is "booking badly/strongly/etc.", the performer is "favored by management", the performer is embodying some old racial trope that some in the crowd react genuinely on and some hate the trope, the crowd wants the performer to go away, etc.
Jinder hits multiples there.
Charlotte was probably the best truest damn heel in WWE to earn some hate from the crowd for her character and performance, not the meta-issues.
But he still gets his share of "you're so cool and doing such a good job" cheers.
Booing, displeasure, hatred, heat, whatever isn't sufficient to make a good heel but it's necessary.
If your villain is getting cheered, he's not the villain. If your villain isn't getting any reaction at all, he's not good at whatever he's doing.
The question was a set-up of sorts because I agree with this.
The biggest heels in WWE are playing on the crowd in some manner: the performer "doesn't deserve it", the performer is "booking badly/strongly/etc.", the performer is "favored by management", the performer is embodying some old racial trope that some in the crowd react genuinely on and some hate the trope, the crowd wants the performer to go away, etc.
Jinder hits multiples there.
Charlotte was probably the best truest damn heel in WWE to earn some hate from the crowd for her character and performance, not the meta-issues.
Mr. Luchador
Member
You say that as you feel like you've moved up the ladder and become the new locker room leader. I see you politicking!
Mr. Luchador
Member
It's almost like I went back to 2015 again!
Nocturnowl
Member
My brother brought this to my attention
Also Zayn merch gives you mighty courage.
Based Trips.
Also Zayn merch gives you mighty courage.
ANuclearError
Member
CCK making ICW debut in August, great news. I'm hoping they'll be a big boost to the tag division.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Neville's still the best heel in the company. He's the most entertaining worker in his division and can still get the crowd behind his opponents no matter who they are on a show that struggles to get any kind of response from the crowd. It's a shame he's not a foot taller.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Bryan and Young still have chemistry, even the worst interview eventually goes places and Big E seems to be off his face on something.
Naw, a good heel isn't someone who gets booed a good heel is someone who gets a baby face over , that all they are there for. Like a heel can get a baby face reaction all the time but as long as they get the face over the are a great heel.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I really do like this side of the WWE when it's not thrown in your face.
This new era of GWF... I don't know. Not enough... Luchadors for my liking.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
As ugly as your booking!
LETS GO BEEFY
BewareTheBatsie
Member
I remember when Charlotte managed to get Dana Brooke over for a week or two.
Nope.
Arrowgigantic
Member
WWE has to give some kind of payoff for booing the heel if they want fans to boo the heel. There's no reward involved in booing Mark Henry for tricking John Cena into thinking Mark's retiring.
Conversely, there's zero incentive to cheer for a Roman Reigns.
Fans cheer/boo regardless of what they're "supposed" to do because if there's no reason to do otherwise they are going to give their genuine opinion of the performer. The audience gets no benefit from playing along, and can in fact be disincentivized from doing so because if you start cheering Roman because you're supposed to, you're just going to get more Roman.
Conversely, there's zero incentive to cheer for a Roman Reigns.
Fans cheer/boo regardless of what they're "supposed" to do because if there's no reason to do otherwise they are going to give their genuine opinion of the performer. The audience gets no benefit from playing along, and can in fact be disincentivized from doing so because if you start cheering Roman because you're supposed to, you're just going to get more Roman.
A "good" heel who gets cheered today isn't going to get a face over when the face eventually prevails because the crowd is favoring the heel, wants the heel to win, will get annoyed when the face they dislike wins at the expense of the now "buried" heel, etc.
Bray Wyatt is the shining example.
DB was on, so yes.
That's just a very vocal minority of the GWF Galaxy chanting unpleasantries!
(OwensIsNow and MC Safety.)
Plus the default response these days for any babyface being verbally called out by a heel is to sucker punch the heel.
Like, why would you cheer for a guy who fucking sucker punches people? The only guy who could do that and really get away with it was Austin
RecRoulette
Member
I think you mean Emma, and that was NXT, which doesn't count.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Fire Pro on steam July 10th
Rhaknar!
BewareTheBatsie
Member
I mean it was only like a one time thing but Dana turning on Charlotte got a pop and Dana chants going.
slightconfuse
Banned
The Halloween Havoc TLF has some great lapsed Hogan bits
"I'm going down dude"
"I'm going down dude"
shanafan
Member
So what are the thoughts on Mike and Maria Kanellis's new WWE theme song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5aFPDBDrI
I think it's killer..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5aFPDBDrI
I think it's killer..
Naito got juice Robinson over in one match and he is more popular then any heel in the WWE or like the Sasha vs bayley match from takeover made bayley into the a huge baby face in NXT. The problem with WWE is that they are incapable of making baby faces.
Also
"will get annoyed when the face they dislike wins at the expense of the now "buried" heel"
If the fan don't like a face then the promotion shouldn't push them, no heel in wreslting can make fans like someone they don't like.
FallingEdge
Member
it is fantastic
Dark Ninja
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shanafan
Member
LOL, I didn't bother reading the previous page
Beautiful
You missed Zach sexually assaulting Owensisnow as well
FallingEdge
Member
oh the full theme is just as wonderful as I hoped
RecRoulette
Member
lmao
Tom Nook
Member
Nice way to showcase your champion.
slightconfuse
Banned
Holy Shit lapsed Vince calling the ppv companies
THEY'RE WORKING YOU GUYS AS PART OF THEIR SCRIPT
Sweeney Tom
Banned
If you're wondering what the next carny thing that goes horribly wrong to the shock of everyone will be, wait no further
