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June Wrasslin |OT| When you lose, you're a jobber, when you win, you're Cena.
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Deleted member 47027
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Also let's be fair I usually cheer heels - because I hate good people.
British Monsoon
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This. It's entirely an issue with how WWE book their heels and faces. There's a fine line between over-protecting someone and making them look weak, and it's a line WWE very rarely walk - it's as if they're terrified that if a heel ever looks decisive the other guy will be incapable of getting face reactions. The result is that the heels almost always look weak and the faces are unbeatable super-men.
Perspicacity
Banned
Outside of WWE television is where Punk's personality still shines imo. I wouldn't say he complains about being on the road all of the time, it just seems like an honest romance. It is who and what he loves, but it is sort of a harsh reality.
Also, I have a hard time rectifying the bolded complaint with the second paragraph. You want him to be rebellious and speak his mind, but don't want him to be rude to condescending moronic DJ's? Admittedly, I haven't seen the Fallon interview but I'll check it out today.
Who is this directed at? I haven't seen anyone defend his current promo work
I think it's funny how he denies the change. Babyface champion in WWE means you HAVE to change otherwise you can't be the babyface champion Vince wants you to be.
Why does he keep denying it? He hasn't dropped a pipebomb since July/August 2011 and yet he keeps mentioning "pipebomb".
And as for the whole "Voice of the voiceless"... what the fuck...
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The thing is, when he addresses selling out he's like "I'm sorry I was successful" but that's not what it's about.
Wake me up when he addresses legitimate questions and gives legitimate answers about why he says WWE Universe and treats the viewer like a mouthbreathing Cener fan. It wouldn't bug me if he'd just be like "yep." but instead he insists he didn't sell out. It's not the success. It's the bullshit.
Don't see how it's much different than people who upload Raw/Smackdown/NXT on youtube (aside from the obvious difference of one being a streaming link and one being a file that you download).
If it was for a PPV or something else you would have to pay for, then I certainly wouldn't post it.
To be fair, viewers are Cener fans...
I think he took a look at Cena/Triple H ratings and just thought "fuck it, this is hopeless" and went Cena-lite.
I have nothing against face characters, but I just like good face characters. My first and favourite character is Bret Hart and he didn't turn heel until late.
But really, as XenoRaven said, it's very hard to be a good face, that's why there's so many better heels than faces, specially when people aren't genuinely nice and have to force their face act. Best faces are those that are kept real and don't try to push smiles or jokes.
But HHH's face status was earned during years and years of burying the roster as a heel, a great heel at that. While Cena schtick is just lousy shit that goes against what he promotes (his slogan, ba* and make-a-wish).
He's fine in the Fallon interview, it's on no-name radio interviews that he can be an ass. And btw, no one cares if he's being a "rebel" to some poor radio host just trying to do his job or to some idiot like Chris Brown, it's in the WWE that people want him to be a real "rebel".
funkystudent
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so whats this about Vince issuing a size and weight requirement for new signings?
Oh Vinny Mac.
I guess the roster is a bit small now a days.
Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, Rhodes, Christian, Miz, Del Rio...
Not a lot of big muscular guys that give Vince those funny feelings.
Oh Vinny Mac.
I guess the roster is a bit small now a days.
Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, Rhodes, Christian, Miz, Del Rio...
Not a lot of big muscular guys that give Vince those funny feelings.
Del Rio is almost 2m tall, I think you meant Sin Cara.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Agreed.
Also, saw this in the WZ comments (I know, I know) about WWE adding Steiner to their alumni section and couldn't help but laugh:
Professor Beef
Banned
At least you were able to face your fears and head to that very station. Meanwhile I still get nervous at the thought of messaging Nash over Twitter!
That's a fantastic dream, though. It gets a 9/10 from me.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
You mean it wasn't funny the 110019049th time??
Perspicacity
Banned
Have you ever heard him be rude to a DJ who didn't have it coming?
Morning radio DJs in general are pondscum, why wouldn't you want them called on it?
Professor Beef
Banned
Natalie is TOO fine.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Look who has a wwe.com alumni profile:
I am shocked HHH allowed this.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Between TNA suing WWE, and TNA suing Steiner...yeah probably not for a long time. Sadly.
Also I'm glad I got at least a few of you on the Sid wagon.He really was suuuuper-over at one point. It's amazing how he's come back from that terrifying leg injury and can still go in the ring. Sid is awesome.
His small run in ECW was so over you have no idea.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Perspicacity
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cr_blah_blah
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Bryan doesn't give Punk anything to work with? D-Bry called him out and dropped truth bombs all over and Punk's response was to call him a goat face. Bryan makes screaming yes entertaining, Punk tells people to get their balls from their wife's purse, bullies Big Johnny, who at the time had literally done nothing wrong,, and Cena smirks while calling people toolboxes. A year ago he would tweet about if you didn't like the product to let it be known and not give your money then boo, now he says deal with it and we're all whiners and haters. I can forgive how incredibly sloppy he is in ring because he trues more than most but he's not that great to put all his eggs in that basket.
HarryDemeanor
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Bah, no Rollins, but at least we got Bo Rotundo, right? Hooray, the blandest of the bland.
Rollins can easily be a huge babyface for WWE, he's great in the ring, flashy as hell, has a great look (which is common in the indies, but not in WWE), and is solid (if unspectacular) on the mic, which is all most babyfaces need.
He and Ambrose are the most easily packaged face and heel they've got in developmental, I hope they've noticed that. I've always heard that there's lots of buzz about Ambrose amongst WWE officials, but I don't hear so much for Rollins.
Keyser Soze
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The best things Orton ever done were as a heel. (other than the time he freaked the fuck out on Christian)
WWE continuing to push faces as family friendly types make most face turns horrible
I actually think he is a good heel, both on and off the ring and hope he is used right according to his standing, since who better than him to make new credible faces?
PopfulMail
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The Bray Wyatt teaser on NXT is excellent!!!!
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Whatever happens, Orton needs a big kick up the arse.
He's been phoning it in for way too long. Even being called out by Austin didn't get him to pull his finger out of his arse.
He's been phoning it in for way too long. Even being called out by Austin didn't get him to pull his finger out of his arse.
Nocturnowl
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Really I think he just wants to be able to chin lock people for 20 minutes again, you know because it gets heel heat and totally not stop this boring move heat.
Tensei being repackaged already? Bring in A-Train Mk2.
Professor Beef
Banned
I prefer Orton as a heel, but I'll be happy to have him back. People seem to forget how much he improved over the past year.
Thanks to Christian and Kane.
Professor Beef
Banned
Still better than "my name.......................*audience cheer*..............................is Randy Orton."
You're ready for another train already? After your amazing dream?