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JURASSIC WORLD viral websites launch; trailer Thanksgiving Day!
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RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Oh hey.
BD WONG!! YESS!
Demoncarnotaur
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For the record, I believe JurassicWorld.com is the 'canon' park website. JurassicWorldMovie.com will be the film site, and be closer to the poster art.
Demoncarnotaur
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brandonh83
Banned
I think it will to a certain degree. JP3 was primarily about the intellectual evolution of the raptors, how they just wanted their eggs at the end and were beyond just being mindless killing machines. Since not everyone knows everything yet I'll spoiler tag the following, but
Jurassic World looks to take the idea of raptors being so smart that they can be domesticated, just like dogs
It's taking the first into account obviously, so what happened in 2 and 3 happened, but again those events were pretty isolated apart from the San Diego shit and that's best kept silent.
Where is that image from? The second movie?
brandonh83
Banned
Something has survived.
yup
Cow Mengde
Banned
People cry frog DNA also forget this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUVAirMVru0&t=11m40s
Watch that. Seriously watch that. They even mentioned the mutant thing, and they still wanted to maintain accuracy.
papercan55
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neat transport
ElzarTheBam
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If this movie disappoints me, I will personally come after Demon.
IdreamofHIME
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I'm sure they also wanted the animals to be all female and no one to die while on tour, the JP engineers were not the best at their jobs.
brandonh83
Banned
I think one of the points of the original is that even if Nedry didn't sabotage the park, something would have went wrong eventually-- the animal breeding, the lack of locks on the touring vehicles, etc. There were problems and oversights all over the place. With Jurassic World so much money and effort went into covering every possible angle due to what happened at Park, yet despite all of this what screws them over is the corporate suits worried about the declining revenue leading to the scientists digging too deeply into their genetics sandbox.
Version 3.0
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Thank you, sir.
We're talking about the filmmakers' intentions, not the characters'. This new film, if it doesn't at least mention the fact that theropods had feathers, is shitting all over the prior works' legacy. They don't have to actually have feathers, they only need a reason not to, such as your little retcon, or mine (which is far better).
Here's mine: the dinosaurs don't have feathers because, once they realized that they did, they had a focus group and the result was that people are morons. Oops, I mean, the result is that people didn't like feathers. They didn't think the dinosaurs were scary because they looked like 6-foot turkeys. So they engineered the dinosaurs without feathers.
It's great, because they'd be using the reason the movie doesn't have "feathersaurs" as the reason the park doesn't have them. Everyone wins, except for the spirit of movies as factual, timely, and useful as learning tools. But it's one step up from shitting on the past.
brandonh83
Banned
Whatever the book set out to do, the original movie wasn't made as some kind of documentary or learning tool. There were a few discussions in the movie about some things, but it was by and large an action/special effects film. The original is one of my favorite movies of all time, but calling it some kind of instructional media about dinosaurs is giving it way too much credit. Again it does touch on some things, but mainly when it comes to the velociraptors and the evolution into birds. Beyond that, I don't see how it's remotely educational, especially now that some things have been discredited or proven different.
Therefore I personally don't think it's Jurassic World's job to teach people "all about dinosaurs." Even if the movie set aside a lot of time, for some reason, to educate audiences about dinosaurs, the facts could still change over time just as they have with the original so it'd possibly end up moot anyway. I think it's okay that they're mainly just action movies. The way they create the dinosaurs in the original, and here, have so many wild cards that it's not really plausible or even realistic to pretend like these movies are an education course. I love dinosaurs and I love learning about them, but I'm not going to watch Jurassic Park for a soaking of information.
Therefore I personally don't think it's Jurassic World's job to teach people "all about dinosaurs." Even if the movie set aside a lot of time, for some reason, to educate audiences about dinosaurs, the facts could still change over time just as they have with the original so it'd possibly end up moot anyway. I think it's okay that they're mainly just action movies. The way they create the dinosaurs in the original, and here, have so many wild cards that it's not really plausible or even realistic to pretend like these movies are an education course. I love dinosaurs and I love learning about them, but I'm not going to watch Jurassic Park for a soaking of information.
Cow Mengde
Banned
It's not about learning. It's not a documentary, but to hire experts and then outright ignore their advice is silly. Not to mention Jurassic Park is responsible to changing the public perception of dinosaurs. Something paleontologists couldn't do. The original Jurassic Park had a positive impact by moving the image of dinosaurs forward. Jurassic World is now moving the image of dinosaurs backwards.
Version 3.0
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The book and movie both set out to do the same thing: tell an action / thriller story while using the most up-to-date scientific facts and theories. The fact that science has progressed doesn't take away a thing.
The book actually focused far more on chaos theory than the movie did. The movie touched on that a bit, but the theme of dinosaurs being basically birds (with teeth) is extremely prominent. They really beat you over the head with it.
That being the case, when we find out years later that they're even more birdlike because they had feathers, it flies in the face of that central theme to exclude that information.
Mr. Creighton is dead, but there's no doubt he'd be on this side of the argument. I wonder what Mr. Spielberg thinks about it.
Kyleripman
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Starting to feel the first twinges of hype. I've been mostly resistant so far despite the original being one of my favorite movies and both books being among my favorite novels.
But damn, that website really did it.
But damn, that website really did it.
brandonh83
Banned
I just see it as sticking to what's been established already. I don't see it as moving the image backwards, just not really moving it at all in favor of staying true to context. Also we don't know how things are explained or detailed in the film yet, there could be some context there. I get what you're saying but I still feel like some things could still be a wait and see scenario.
Spielberg has been helping out with it and overseeing it. Trevorrow said that Spielberg will sketch out some shots in his head and forward them to his email, so he's definitely been a decent presence on the film.
Cow Mengde
Banned
He wrote proto-feathers on the T.rex baby in the Lost World novel.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Ok, my analysis is live via jurassicworld.org/?id=200
Summary:
The Masrani/InGen Merger: Road to Jurassic World
What is Masrani Global? Masrani Global is a Fortune 500 company founded in 1973 by Sanjay Masrani. After Sanjays passing in 1992, Simon Masrani (Irrfan Khan) took over, and soon expanded into the lucrative oil industry. In the year 1997, John Parker Hammond (the late Richard Attenborough) of International Genetic Technologies (InGen) passed away, and Masrani Global acquired the company in 1998. By this time the San Diego Incident has occurred, and InGen was under the close scrutiny of the public eye. However, this did not stop Simon Masrani from pursuing the Jurassic World project on Isla Nublar, the original resting place of Jurassic Park.
To achieve this massive undertaking, Masrani Corp assembled key staff as well as InGen lead Geneticist, Dr. Henry Wu (BD Wong). Wu was no stranger to cleanup efforts however, as he had already returned to Isla Nublar in 1994 to help dismantle and archive key InGen equipment, alongside other sensitive materials. He would return in 2002 to help cleanup crews assemble the new park, Jurassic World. Jurassic World was under construction from the years 2002-2004, under the protection from 'wildlife' (Dinosaurs) via InGen Security. This was no easy undertaking, as Simon Masrani himself knew the world was watching, waiting for a disaster.
"The sense of security proved vital in the establishment of Jurassic World. The media were having a frenzy at the time, conservation groups around the globe were looking and waiting for any incident to tarnish our reputation to try and take Isla Nublar away from us. We had to set a feeling of safety, for when the time came for opening in 2005, we had to ensure people were willing to come.”
After billions were spent, construction was completed without incident (allegedly), and the park opened in 2005.
Past Mistakes, Future Promises: Dr. Henry Wu’s Influence
Dr. Henry Wu is a key player in the Jurassic World project, a leader amongst InGen, Masrani Globals most promising subsidiary. Dr. Wu is the driving force of Jurassic Worlds genetic technologies, breaking new ground in the field. It’s acknowledged directly that using Frog DNA in Jurassic Park was a critical flaw, which allowed the animals to change sex via sequential hermaphroditism, which led to them breeding in the wild. Due to this incident Dr. Wu was inspired to write a book post the events of Jurassic Park, which he talked about future potential of mixing different species DNA to create something brand new. His realization that the Dinosaurs adopted certain genetic traits from the frogs showed strong, intriguing potential. His first foray into creating a genetic hybrid was in 1997, creating the Karacosis wutansis (Wu Flower), making global headlines.
Dr. Wu was brought on board to the Jurassic World project in the year 2000.
Playing God: Hatching Baby Dinosaurs
The process for cloning dinosaurs hasn’t changed much since Jurassic Park on a superficial level, however the ability to do so with efficiency has evolved to a new level. What once took weeks now takes under an hour thanks to a new gene sequencer called the Hammond XB-20. The process for reviving extinct animals, dubbed ‘The InGen Process’ is the following 5-step program : Extraction, Sequencing, Assembly, Hatchery, and Nursery. DNA is still extracted from Amber, which InGen has cataloged numerous species from over its many years. It is said that there are still gaps in the genetic code, but they are far smaller than that of the Jurassic Parks dinosaurs. After the code is assembled, the DNA is injected into synthetic eggs, and closely monitored and nurtured. Soon after, the eggs are hatched, and the infant Dinosaurs are monitored closely for genetic defects. If the animals are healthy, they are moved to the Nursery, raised until ready to be released in an appropriate Jurassic World enclosure.
Isla Nublar: Past and Present
Isla Nublar has a rich and intriguing past, something that the website does not shy away from. Discovered first in 1525 by Spanish explorer Diego Fernandez, Isla Nublar existed long before Dinosaurs walked upon it’s surface. Nublar was once populated by an indigenous tribe, known as the Bribri*, who were displaced by various explorers, and finally entirely relocated by InGen in 1987 for the Jurassic park project. Further, Isla Nublar still hosts a wild population of indigenous wildlife such as a large variety of birds, and the Elaphodus cephalophus nublarus (Nublar Tufted Deer). Masrani Corp has established strict regulations protecting the local flora and fauna, with energy conservation projects, clean waste removal and a large recycling project.
*Fun fact: the inclusion of the Bribri tribe means Jurassic Park The Game is canon.
The island is now home to Jurassic World ‘The worlds greatest theme park’. The park itself saw an impressive 98,120 visitors in very first moth of operation in 2005. It is expected to reach over 10,000,00 visitors in the year 2015, it’s 10th year of operation.
“Step into the prehistoric era and come face to face with some of the greatest animals to ever walk the Earth, the Dinosaurs! Soak in the atmosphere and visit an ecosystem like nothing experienced before. With technologically advanced ride systems, five star restaurants, and a high class golf course, it is full of excitement, spectacle, and will leave an everlasting impression on everyone who visits.”
—
So, what does this all mean?
First off, some other key bits of information that didn’t quite make the summary (the site is loaded with info, and I highly recommend you explore it yourself).
As of November 2014 InGen has a new facility in Siberia, codenamed “Martel”, where they plan to search for remains of prehistoric animals from 40,000 to 200,000 years ago - AKA Ice Age animals. It seems unlikely we will see any of these animals in Jurassic World as the project has just begun during the canon timeline, but it may lead way for some very interesting sequel material. I for one would love to see some prehistoric mammals in future films, though I hope the focus remains on Dinosaurs. This always raises the question: does this mean a new park is under construction in this location? Arctic dinosaurs very much do exist, and perhaps project ‘Martel’ would feature them as well.
The seeds for a hybrid Dinosaur are planted and teased in the site, not only via Wu’s comments and flower project, but also by a quote from Simon Masrani himself:
“What does 2015 hold? We have a world-class genetics and research and development team who have some ideas that will take genetics to the next level. Using InGen technology, combined with Masrani innovation, the world is ours to make and enjoy. I wish all of you the best as we head into a new era.”
The park itself was huge investment, and failure was not an option. It seems very likely that any accidents reclaiming the island would have been instantly covered up. There is no way they reclaimed the island without accident, thus exposing their perfectly painted picture as a grim facade, with secrets abound. Not only that, but the website mentions quarantine zones (directly mentioned by park manager Eli Jacobs)- this strongly suggests there are unsafe areas of the park still populated by wild dinosaurs. The Mark Englert poster showing a Velociraptor onlooking the construction of Jurassic World comes to mind. Just how safe can the park really be?
Mans hubris cost Jurassic Park it’s success, seeing the park fall into ruins by the actions of one man. It seems Jurassic World attempts to avoid these mistakes, but ultimately may be making all new, bigger ones, as they chase a corporate mandate for larger profits. Cloning dinosaurs proved dangerous and we can only imagine what creating new dinosaurs will lead to.
There are two very interesting things the website does not acknowledge, first being how they cloned a marine reptile such as the Mosasaur. Mosasaur, being a deep sea creature, would not be subjected to mosquito bites, thus needing another method to obtain the DNA. In the Jurassic Park novels it is mentioned that most DNA was actually gathered from abstracting soft tissue inside the fossils themselves, destroying the fossil in the process. Another potential method would be reverse engineering, something consulting Paleontologist Dr. Jack Horner is no stranger to. I suspect both of these options are not only viable, but will be mentioned at least in passing during the film.
The other subject I wanted to bring up is sequential hermaphroditism- primarily that frog DNA may not be the only factor at play. Both modern birds and reptiles have changed sex in certain scenarios, suggesting this ability actually evolved amongst Archosaurs. As such, it seems all but certain some Dinosaurs may have been capable of this without the need of frog DNA. If population control via forced genders is a security feature of Jurassic World, there is still a chance that it backfires.
Summary:
The Masrani/InGen Merger: Road to Jurassic World
What is Masrani Global? Masrani Global is a Fortune 500 company founded in 1973 by Sanjay Masrani. After Sanjays passing in 1992, Simon Masrani (Irrfan Khan) took over, and soon expanded into the lucrative oil industry. In the year 1997, John Parker Hammond (the late Richard Attenborough) of International Genetic Technologies (InGen) passed away, and Masrani Global acquired the company in 1998. By this time the San Diego Incident has occurred, and InGen was under the close scrutiny of the public eye. However, this did not stop Simon Masrani from pursuing the Jurassic World project on Isla Nublar, the original resting place of Jurassic Park.
To achieve this massive undertaking, Masrani Corp assembled key staff as well as InGen lead Geneticist, Dr. Henry Wu (BD Wong). Wu was no stranger to cleanup efforts however, as he had already returned to Isla Nublar in 1994 to help dismantle and archive key InGen equipment, alongside other sensitive materials. He would return in 2002 to help cleanup crews assemble the new park, Jurassic World. Jurassic World was under construction from the years 2002-2004, under the protection from 'wildlife' (Dinosaurs) via InGen Security. This was no easy undertaking, as Simon Masrani himself knew the world was watching, waiting for a disaster.
"The sense of security proved vital in the establishment of Jurassic World. The media were having a frenzy at the time, conservation groups around the globe were looking and waiting for any incident to tarnish our reputation to try and take Isla Nublar away from us. We had to set a feeling of safety, for when the time came for opening in 2005, we had to ensure people were willing to come.”
After billions were spent, construction was completed without incident (allegedly), and the park opened in 2005.
Past Mistakes, Future Promises: Dr. Henry Wu’s Influence
Dr. Henry Wu is a key player in the Jurassic World project, a leader amongst InGen, Masrani Globals most promising subsidiary. Dr. Wu is the driving force of Jurassic Worlds genetic technologies, breaking new ground in the field. It’s acknowledged directly that using Frog DNA in Jurassic Park was a critical flaw, which allowed the animals to change sex via sequential hermaphroditism, which led to them breeding in the wild. Due to this incident Dr. Wu was inspired to write a book post the events of Jurassic Park, which he talked about future potential of mixing different species DNA to create something brand new. His realization that the Dinosaurs adopted certain genetic traits from the frogs showed strong, intriguing potential. His first foray into creating a genetic hybrid was in 1997, creating the Karacosis wutansis (Wu Flower), making global headlines.
Dr. Wu was brought on board to the Jurassic World project in the year 2000.
Playing God: Hatching Baby Dinosaurs
The process for cloning dinosaurs hasn’t changed much since Jurassic Park on a superficial level, however the ability to do so with efficiency has evolved to a new level. What once took weeks now takes under an hour thanks to a new gene sequencer called the Hammond XB-20. The process for reviving extinct animals, dubbed ‘The InGen Process’ is the following 5-step program : Extraction, Sequencing, Assembly, Hatchery, and Nursery. DNA is still extracted from Amber, which InGen has cataloged numerous species from over its many years. It is said that there are still gaps in the genetic code, but they are far smaller than that of the Jurassic Parks dinosaurs. After the code is assembled, the DNA is injected into synthetic eggs, and closely monitored and nurtured. Soon after, the eggs are hatched, and the infant Dinosaurs are monitored closely for genetic defects. If the animals are healthy, they are moved to the Nursery, raised until ready to be released in an appropriate Jurassic World enclosure.
Isla Nublar: Past and Present
Isla Nublar has a rich and intriguing past, something that the website does not shy away from. Discovered first in 1525 by Spanish explorer Diego Fernandez, Isla Nublar existed long before Dinosaurs walked upon it’s surface. Nublar was once populated by an indigenous tribe, known as the Bribri*, who were displaced by various explorers, and finally entirely relocated by InGen in 1987 for the Jurassic park project. Further, Isla Nublar still hosts a wild population of indigenous wildlife such as a large variety of birds, and the Elaphodus cephalophus nublarus (Nublar Tufted Deer). Masrani Corp has established strict regulations protecting the local flora and fauna, with energy conservation projects, clean waste removal and a large recycling project.
*Fun fact: the inclusion of the Bribri tribe means Jurassic Park The Game is canon.
The island is now home to Jurassic World ‘The worlds greatest theme park’. The park itself saw an impressive 98,120 visitors in very first moth of operation in 2005. It is expected to reach over 10,000,00 visitors in the year 2015, it’s 10th year of operation.
“Step into the prehistoric era and come face to face with some of the greatest animals to ever walk the Earth, the Dinosaurs! Soak in the atmosphere and visit an ecosystem like nothing experienced before. With technologically advanced ride systems, five star restaurants, and a high class golf course, it is full of excitement, spectacle, and will leave an everlasting impression on everyone who visits.”
—
So, what does this all mean?
First off, some other key bits of information that didn’t quite make the summary (the site is loaded with info, and I highly recommend you explore it yourself).
As of November 2014 InGen has a new facility in Siberia, codenamed “Martel”, where they plan to search for remains of prehistoric animals from 40,000 to 200,000 years ago - AKA Ice Age animals. It seems unlikely we will see any of these animals in Jurassic World as the project has just begun during the canon timeline, but it may lead way for some very interesting sequel material. I for one would love to see some prehistoric mammals in future films, though I hope the focus remains on Dinosaurs. This always raises the question: does this mean a new park is under construction in this location? Arctic dinosaurs very much do exist, and perhaps project ‘Martel’ would feature them as well.
The seeds for a hybrid Dinosaur are planted and teased in the site, not only via Wu’s comments and flower project, but also by a quote from Simon Masrani himself:
“What does 2015 hold? We have a world-class genetics and research and development team who have some ideas that will take genetics to the next level. Using InGen technology, combined with Masrani innovation, the world is ours to make and enjoy. I wish all of you the best as we head into a new era.”
The park itself was huge investment, and failure was not an option. It seems very likely that any accidents reclaiming the island would have been instantly covered up. There is no way they reclaimed the island without accident, thus exposing their perfectly painted picture as a grim facade, with secrets abound. Not only that, but the website mentions quarantine zones (directly mentioned by park manager Eli Jacobs)- this strongly suggests there are unsafe areas of the park still populated by wild dinosaurs. The Mark Englert poster showing a Velociraptor onlooking the construction of Jurassic World comes to mind. Just how safe can the park really be?
Mans hubris cost Jurassic Park it’s success, seeing the park fall into ruins by the actions of one man. It seems Jurassic World attempts to avoid these mistakes, but ultimately may be making all new, bigger ones, as they chase a corporate mandate for larger profits. Cloning dinosaurs proved dangerous and we can only imagine what creating new dinosaurs will lead to.
There are two very interesting things the website does not acknowledge, first being how they cloned a marine reptile such as the Mosasaur. Mosasaur, being a deep sea creature, would not be subjected to mosquito bites, thus needing another method to obtain the DNA. In the Jurassic Park novels it is mentioned that most DNA was actually gathered from abstracting soft tissue inside the fossils themselves, destroying the fossil in the process. Another potential method would be reverse engineering, something consulting Paleontologist Dr. Jack Horner is no stranger to. I suspect both of these options are not only viable, but will be mentioned at least in passing during the film.
The other subject I wanted to bring up is sequential hermaphroditism- primarily that frog DNA may not be the only factor at play. Both modern birds and reptiles have changed sex in certain scenarios, suggesting this ability actually evolved amongst Archosaurs. As such, it seems all but certain some Dinosaurs may have been capable of this without the need of frog DNA. If population control via forced genders is a security feature of Jurassic World, there is still a chance that it backfires.
Poimandres
Member
RustyNails
Member
I'm so happy Irrfan Khan seems to play a bigger role than usual. For those who are not keeping up, I recommend you to watch The Lunchbox immediately.
Jawmuncher
Member
Thank you for the write up here and on the site.
So much good info that makes me even more excited.
Also the game being canon is a nice touch, since it's not like they actually need to touch on it but it's nice to see.
I found out that the Trex there is just the generic one Batman has in his cave.
So it must have just been used to make the easter egg teaser easy.
Demoncarnotaur confirmed Irex is at this link
http://www.groovebricks.com/lego-jurassic-world-2015-leaked-dinosaurs-images/
maquiladora
Member
Very happy with Giacchino doing the score.
brandonh83
Banned
Yes. I can't imagine.
So is it for sure Indominus instead of Diabolus? I wonder when they decided to go with the former; surely they weren't able to decide that after filming.
Jawmuncher
Member
Yeah would like to know why the change was done.
Diabolous Rex = Drex
Indominus Rex = Irex
D-Rex just seems like a better name to sell toys.
Must have been a issue with using the name.
brandonh83
Banned
I wonder if they'll give it a scientific name. I-Rex doesn't work quite as well as D-Rex would, I agree. I think they're both cool sounding names, but I was soooo used to Diabolus by this point. Not a huge deal though.
More_Badass
Member
I went from thinking the Jurassic World idea sounded really stupid to being pretty hyped. The whole backstory and continuity just works and makes sense. Now I'm excited for this
brandonh83
Banned
It's always important to wait for proper context.
Jawmuncher
Member
Decided to make a thread about the Game being canon tidbit.
Even though it was said to be as much, nice to have that extra confirmation now.
Even though it was said to be as much, nice to have that extra confirmation now.
Poimandres
Member
Ah damn, I was hoping that would be its colour scheme. The lego design doesn't look as cool to me.
Indeed it did! :'D
Demoncarnotaur
Member
No worries, it was fun to write up! I'm excited to see what's coming in the future.
And yup, that Groovebricks is indeed the actual Lego Indominus Rex. They changed the name after the leaks.
brandonh83
Banned
I wonder why though. Indominus is now a leaked name just as well. Is the name not mentioned in the script or something? Not sure how they could just change it in post-production with the actors already saying it in the film. I guess it's possible through editing or whatever, it just seems weird.
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