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Jury has reached verdict in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev trial - sentenced to death

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Resident_UA

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Macho Madness said:
COUNT 16: "Use and carry" of firearm (Ruger 9mm) in relation to conspiracy to use a Weapon of Mass Destruction (Count 1) GUILTY

COUNT 17: "Use and carry" of a firearm (Ruger 9mm) in relation to conspiracy to bomb a public place (Count 6) GUILTY
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WMD, really?! This is a bit ridiculous :)

I guess Iraq had a lot of WMDs then. LOL
 
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sometimes i game said:
He took lives and ruined others. I respect your right to be against it, but we need to send the message that you can't go killing people and then continue living your life in a white room. This is tragic, he took lives.
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The death penalty has no statistical correlation with lower murder rates; the presence of a death penalty does not seem to send any message at all.
 
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Takuan

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Even if he does get the death penalty, I see him killing himself anyway as a final "fuck you". He seems the type who'd prefer to die on his own terms.
 
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Extra Sauce

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vas_a_morir said:
But, this is an enemy combatant, really. There can be no sympathy for these kinds of acts. I just never will understand why he did it.
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The US has known countless "enemy combatants" that did not deserve the death sentence, or even jail time. People just following orders from their government in times of war.

I get your drift but I think it is more appropriate to label him a terrorist or mass murderer.
 
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gutter_trash

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good riddance to bad rubbish

I hope he gets LIFE in jail.

The Death Sentence is what he wants and we should not grant him what he wants. Let him go crazy as an old man of old age: life in jail
 
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SocksAndShoes

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sometimes i game said:
He took lives and ruined others. I respect your right to be against it, but we need to send the message that you can't go killing people and then continue living your life in a white room. This is tragic, he took lives.
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We've tried that for hundreds of years. If this logic actually worked, crimes like this wouldn't exist.
 
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Resident_UA said:
Yes. That's the most depressing part... Sure he is an idiot, but in general I'm against death penalty. I think it's fine if he gets it, but people gloating at killing a human being always freaks me out.
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I love how a dude who killed several innocents is just 'an idiot' to you
 
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sometimes i game said:
He took lives and ruined others. I respect your right to be against it, but we need to send the message that you can't go killing people and then continue living your life in a white room. This is tragic, he took lives.
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The death penalty has been proven to not be a deterrent. Killing one innocent person through the death penalty is too many. If they kill people, they should be punished, and life imprisonment is punishment enough I think.
 
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LyleLanley

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I'm conflicted, I oppose the death penalty but keeping him locked up for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life when he's only 21 years old seems like the less humane choice.
 
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Zen_Arcade

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SocksAndShoes said:
That compassion is what separates us from people who kill other people. When we execute killers, we gain absolutely nothing as a society besides lowering the world population by one.

Well that, and people can say "justice was served", even though nobody can define what that is or why it's helpful.
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No, the motivation of why people want him dead are what separates them from murderers. You're saying this like there is absolutely no reasonable reason for someone to want someone else dead.

What separates me from him is that I want a terrorist murderer to die because of his actions, and he wanted a group of innocent people to die so he could make some stupid political statement. The fact that you even see these two motivations as on a level playing field is disturbing.
 
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Croll

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sometimes i game said:
He took lives and ruined others. I respect your right to be against it, but we need to send the message that you can't go killing people and then continue living your life in a white room. This is tragic, he took lives.
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With crimes of this magnitude I don't think there is any punishment that would serve as a deterrent. For someone to try and kill this many people there has to be something fundamentally unsound in the way they view the world. I would be surprised if the concept of repercussions even played a role in his decision making process. I think the point of this sentencing should be "How do we keep the public safe in the future?" not "How do we make the punishment fit the crime?". He just needs to be put away. I don't think he needs to die.
 
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Resident_UA

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backflip10019 said:
I think you're just overestimating what a "weapon of mass destruction" is. Nukes aren't the only WMDs.
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Macho Madness said:
It's a weapon that can cause mass destruction. And it did. Any device that can do that is a WMD. That's the definition.
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It's still ridiculous. It's not like he would have walked without this charge. What's the purpose? How is this in any way shape or form even remotely similar to what we were looking for in Iraq? How is it worse than using a gun?
 
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stufte said:
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What do you mean by this then? Because I'm reading it as you saying that you question whether someone is "better than him" by wanting him dead. That they are no better than him.
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Even acknowledging that his crimes are terrible and deserving of punishment, how does sitting on an online forum (or anywhere) clamoring for death make you any better than him? How do you or anyone else feel comfortable with that? Does the gravity of your words even occur to you? You sit there and say "well I haven't killed anyone, I would never kill anyone" but you slash his life away with barely a thought and a few punches on a keyboard, with as much disregard as he had for the lives of the people he hurt and killed. How does this make you a better person?
 
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Delicious Waffles

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When it comes to life in prison or the death penalty, I can see both sides of the argument. I know it would never happen but, in my opinion, they should ask the families affected by this tragedy whether or not they'd want him to be given the death penalty. Whatever consensus they come to would be the decision.
 
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LyleLanley said:
I'm conflicted, I oppose the death penalty but keeping him locked up for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life when he's only 21 years old seems like the less humane choice.
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Blowing apart a child and two other people and injuring hundreds of others via a bomb packed with nails and ball bearings isn't very humane either.
 
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Macho Madness

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Resident_UA said:
It's still ridiculous. It's not like he would have walked without this charge. What's the purpose? How is this in any way shape or form even remotely similar to what we were looking for in Iraq? How is it worse than using a gun?
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Because it's an explosive device that wounded and killed many people. That's WAY worse than a gun, and shows specific intent to harm many people. Iraq thing is irrelevant. WMD is a vague term.
 
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Fenderputty

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Zen_Arcade said:
No, the motivation of why people want him dead are what separates them from murderers. You're saying this like there is absolutely no reasonable reason for someone to want someone else dead.

What separates me from him is that I want a terrorist murderer to die because of his actions, and he wanted a group of innocent people to die so he could make some stupid political statement. The fact that you even see these two motivations as on a level playing field is disturbing.
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It's disturbing that he views death wrong regardless of the supposed moral justification you have?
 
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