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[HTupolev]

I think you're just overestimating what a "weapon of mass destruction" is. Nukes aren't the only WMDs.

Yep. The degree to which a weapon is considered a WMD is somewhat contextual. As a military weapon within a discussion in upper-level politics, something with the destructive capacity of those cookers probably wouldn't be referred to as WMD, but in civilian legal proceedings it can be.

How is this in any way shape or form even remotely similar to what we were looking for in Iraq?

It's not. It has nothing to do with that. The use of the term "WMD" in this case isn't intended to draw a parallel.

 

[brochiller]

I'm conflicted, I oppose the death penalty but keeping him locked up for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life when he's only 21 years old seems like the less humane choice.

It's a harsh punishment but it truly sounds like hell. One of the reasons we punish criminals in addition to making them pay for their actions is to deter others from doing them. A lot of people who would commit such a crime wouldn't fear death, but perhaps the though of staring at concrete for 95% of the rest of their life is enough to make them think twice.

 

[Daniel Jackson]

Does 'life' really mean an actual lifetime imprisonment there?
That would be so much better than death penalty. He's a young guy, he probably has about 60 or more years to live.

 

[MIMIC]

Guilty all charges.

 

[LyleLanley]

Blowing apart a child and two other people and injuring hundreds of others via a bomb packed with nails and ball bearings isn't very humane either.

There's no need to point that out. I know he's a disgusting human being and he needs to pay for his horrific crimes but I like to think that we as a society can be better than that.

 

[stufte]

Even acknowledging that his crimes are terrible and deserving of punishment, how does sitting on an online forum (or anywhere) clamoring for death make you any better than him? How do you or anyone else feel comfortable with that? Does the gravity of your words even occur to you? You sit there and say "well I haven't killed anyone, I would never kill anyone" but you slash his life away with barely a thought and a few punches on a keyboard, with as much disregard as he had for the lives of the people he hurt and killed. How does this make you a better person?

What the fuck, I don't even...

Beyond the fact that I've stated that I think he needs life in prison, the fact that you think those two actions are at all similar is disturbing to me.

 

[Resident_UA]

Because it's an explosive device that wounded and killed many people. That's WAY worse than a gun, and shows specific intent to harm many people. Iraq thing is irrelevant. WMD is a vague term.

Dude, do you even watch news? There were waaaaay worse crimes committed using a gun over the past few years.

 

[LiK]

Mhh. Google is cluttered with trials results. You know of any links?

sorry, I mainly watched the videos from what was shown on the local news.

 

[Enron]

Does 'life' really mean an actual lifetime imprisonment there?
That would be so much better than death penalty. He's a young guy, he probably has about 60 or more years to live.

If he does get life, the sentences will be consecutive. This guy is never seeing the light of day again, one way or another.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

now put him to death.

let that scum rot in hell.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Does 'life' really mean an actual lifetime imprisonment there?
That would be so much better than death penalty. He's a young guy, he probably has about 60 or more years to live.

For him, yes. He would never be allowed parole. The country wouldn't allow it. Dude is not safe anywhere except in a cell by himself or six feet under.

 

[The Lamonster]

Is it true that he tried to kill himself the night he was apprehended but only suffered a severe neck wound?

I remember he was hiding in some guy's backyard boat when they caught him and there were some conflicting news reports on whether he had a gun on him.

 

[ActStriker]

The real trial starts now.

 

[Macho Madness]

Dude, do you even watch news? There were waaaaay worse crimes committed using a gun over the past few years.

What are you even arguing anymore?

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I don't know. This of all cases doesn't seem to be the best one to argue the merits of the death penalty.

He's going to get it. I really don't see a way around it. And I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[marrec]

Guilty all charges.

Not entirely surprising, but I wouldn't have been surprised to see some of them bring back a not-guilty verdict as well.

I'm thinking based on this that they're going to give him the ol' strap and poke if you know what I mean.

 

[ampere]

The sentencing phase will be a lot more interesting than the verdict. He's 100% guilty, just not 100% death penalty guilty in Massachusetts

Yea.

I really hope he doesn't get sentenced to death. We are beyond that as a society, killing him will not bring the victims back. He is a danger to society and should be locked up however.

 

[Kevtones]

There's no need to point that out. I know he's a disgusting human being and he needs to pay for his horrific crimes but I like to think that we as a society can be better than that.

I'd prefer rehabilitation but I think there being a deterrent on the level of ADX is necessary.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Dude, do you even watch news? There were waaaaay worse crimes committed using a gun over the past few years.

What are you trying to argue here? That guns are worse than bombs planted at a large public event?

 

[Sanjuro]

The real trial starts now.

Aaron Hernandez is on the mid-card.

 

[Leunam]

He took lives and ruined others. I respect your right to be against it, but we need to send the message that you can't go killing people and then continue living your life in a white room. This is tragic, he took lives.

That message has never worked in the centuries it's been around and in the many countries where it has existed, past and present.

 

[schlongdog]

Dude, do you even watch news? There were waaaaay worse crimes committed using a gun over the past few years.

I defended you at first (albeit in regards to a different point you made), but stop now. You clearly don't know what you're talking about in regards to WMDs in both a practical and legal sense.

 

[GK86]

Throw him in a hole and let him rot. Fuck that guy.

 

[see5harp]

Death penalty isn't a deterrent and serves no one aside from the bomber. Put him in a tiny cell for the rest of his life. Can you imagine 60+ years in a cell. Can you even put someone in solitary for life? Seems like he probably wouldn't last long if you did that. They could do like week in solitary darkness for like a few days on/off for the rest of his life.

 

[freenudemacusers]

If he does get life, the sentences will be consecutive. This guy is never seeing the light of day again, one way or another.

pretty much.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

No, the motivation of why people want him dead are what separates them from murderers. You're saying this like there is absolutely no reasonable reason for someone to want someone else dead.

What separates me from him is that I want a terrorist murderer to die because of his actions, and he wanted a group of innocent people to die so he could make some stupid political statement. The fact that you even see these two motivations as on a level playing field is disturbing.

The fact that you think there is a justification for wanting someone dead is what's wrong in the first place, and is the entire reason the capital punishment exists.

There are objective facts that support abolishing the death penalty, such as:

-life in prison is cheaper
-the justice system isn't perfect, and we've executed innocent people before

And we can stop there.

The only "evidence" that pro-death penalty supporters have is that it's some sort of primal notion of justice, even though society, the victims of the killer, and the family of the victims gain nothing from it.

 

[LiK]

Is it true that he tried to kill himself the night he was apprehended but only suffered a severe neck wound?

I remember he was hiding in some guy's backyard boat when they caught him and there were some conflicting news reports on whether he had a gun on him.

yes, he had a gun.

 

[Savitar]

The proper result.

Now give him death.

 

[Resident_UA]

It's not. It has nothing to do with that. The use of the term "WMD" in this case isn't intended to draw a parallel.

Do you actually believe that? They threw in that change because they could.

 

[EmptySpace]

Yea.

I really hope he doesn't get sentenced to death. We are beyond that as a society, killing him will not bring the victims back. He is a danger to society and should be locked up however.

and pay taxes to keep him alive? what do you mean we're beyond what? killing a murderer isn't going to bring victims back, nor does locking him up for 70 years. in fact, society would be wasting more money trying to keep the murderer alive. so, it is more inefficient for us to keep him.

yes, governments should be run by economists, statisticians and mathematicians.

 

[Irobot82]

sorry, I mainly watched the videos from what was shown on the local news.

I found one but it was the back of him the entire time. I'll look later when I have more time. It always bothered me the press would never show this stuff. Shielding us from bad things.

 

[Fedora Royale]

I don't care whether it's life in prison or death penalty. Victims and their families will never get true justice, so the next best thing is for this piece of shit's life and freedom to be forfeit until he draws his last miserable breath.

 

[Resident_UA]

I defended you at first (albeit in regards to a different point you made), but stop now. You clearly don't know what you're talking about in regards to WMDs in both a practical and legal sense.

I just think it's ridiculous. I have no idea what you are implying...

 

[Mitch]

Do you actually believe that? They threw in that change because they could.

Are you going to proceed to shit post now that you've been proven to be incorrect?

 

[mentallyinept]

The fact that you think there is a justification for wanting someone dead is what's wrong in the first place, and is the entire reason the capital punishment exists.

There are objective facts that support abolishing the death penalty, such as:

-life in prison is cheaper
-the justice system isn't perfect, and we've executed innocent people before

And we can stop there.

The only "evidence" that pro-death penalty supporters have is that it's some sort of primal notion of justice, even though society, the victims of the killer, and the family of the victims gain nothing from it.

Is that really true? How can that be true?

 

[espher]

Do you actually believe that? They threw in that change because they could.

Speaking of ridiculous...

 

[Calderc]

I'm utterly amazed that people still support the death penalty.

 

[HTupolev]

Do you actually believe that? They threw in that change because they could.

Obviously they threw in the charge because they could, but that doesn't mean that it has anything in particular to do with international examples like Iraq. The prosecution just aren't overly fond of people who kill civilians with bombs and wanted to throw as many charges at him that would stick hard as they could. It's an appropriate charge, after all.

 

[eBay Huckster]

in fact, society would be wasting more money trying to keep the murderer alive

Is that really true? How can that be true?

endless appeals, actually housing him on death row, and the actual cocktail for lethal injection ain't cheap

 

[razgriz417]

Is that really true? How can that be true?

Don't Death Penatly verdicts have expensive/lengthy appeals processes?

 

[ampere]

and pay taxes to keep him alive? what do you mean we're beyond what? killing a murderer isn't going to bring victims back, nor does locking him up for 70 years. in fact, society would be wasting more money trying to keep the murderer alive. so, it is more inefficient for us to keep him.

yes, governments should be run by economists, statisticians and mathematicians.

You do realize that even in a case like this the litigation involved with processing towards the death penalty will likely exceed the cost to lock him up for life?

 

[Daniel Jackson]

If he does get life, the sentences will be consecutive. This guy is never seeing the light of day again, one way or another.

I'm hoping for life then. Spending 60+ years in prison, knowing he'll die in there. Exactly what he deserves. A 'quick' death penalty is too easy.

 

[schlongdog]

I just think it's ridiculous. I have no idea what you are implying...

I'm implying that the fact you think it's ridiculous shows that you don't have any knowledge of the legal classification of a WMD in a civilian sense, and should therefore stop posting as if you do.

 

[statham]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev guilty of all 30 counts in Boston Marathon bombing; sentencing phase starts April 13

.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Is that really true? How can that be true?

think of it as watering houseplants vs hosting a home & garden show.

 

[Trey]

One hour of recreational activity a day for the rest of his life? That would drive anyone insane. Does he get access to books and dvd's and the like?

 

[SocksAndShoes]

Is that really true? How can that be true?

It's absolutely true, mainly because of our appeal system.

(Can't wait for the "well we should take away their chance at appeals" argument that always pops up right about.....now.)

 

[Resident_UA]

What are you trying to argue here? That guns are worse than bombs planted at a large public event?

No, that using "WMD" freely is hurting us more than helping. If you establish one definition of the term, you might as well stick to it. Having pressure cooker and chemical weapons in the same category is insane. Under these circumstances if someone decides to create a pressure cooked bomb for stupid reasons (like hunting for example) they should be held to the same standards as somebody who has chemical weapon stashed in their basement.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

and pay taxes to keep him alive? what do you mean we're beyond what? killing a murderer isn't going to bring victims back, nor does locking him up for 70 years. in fact, society would be wasting more money trying to keep the murderer alive. so, it is more inefficient for us to keep him.

yes, governments should be run by economists, statisticians and mathematicians.

You really need to educate yourself.

 

[Sanjuro]

It should be noted that everyone on this jury was selected on the basis that they supported the death penalty.