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[Sanjuro]

That second sentence was my own thinking.

Oh.

Eh, I wouldn't stretch eye contact into compassion.

 

[Pyrrhus]

Bringing the capital punishment argument down to dollars and cents always felt odd to me. Seems like such a huge disconnect from what the actual discussion should be about.

It's pure rhetoric. People support the death penalty because they say it's better for society to remove violent, useless criminals from the population. People opposed to the death penalty try to show that it's not helping society because it costs more for the condemned to exhaust their appeals. I think the death penalty is used too often, but I think we need it for situations like this. I don't care if it's more expensive. I'd pay a premium for this one to die screaming like all the innocents he snuffed out with a smile for no reason.

Being torn apart by starving dogs is too good for Tsarnaev, but I suppose lethal injection is going to have to be enough. Traitorous, murdering little shit.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

The only way the death penalty would be justified, IMO, is if we could not safely house and guard said prisoner without substantial risk to those facilitating their imprisonment or if their continued existence posed a significant threat from outside forces. Basically reserved for only the most culturally entrenched genocidal leaders the likes of Hitler or Abu Bakr AL Baghdadi whose imprisonment could lead to followers trying to assault the facility to take them out or their influence could still allow them to command from inside said facility.

 

[Fenderputty]

No, it's wrong that he would put two people on a level playing field as far as motivations go when considering why someone would want someone else dead. It's one thing to be against the death penalty, it's another thing to accuse people of being as bad as the person who bombed a public space of innocent people because they think that there are criminals whose crimes are so vile that they shouldn't get to keep their life. Not even the law treats everyone who killed someone else with that level of scrutiny, they're smart enough to realize that not every murder is done for the same reasons, and people shouldn't be judged as if they are.

He's attempting to frame everyone who supports Tsarnaev getting the death penalty as bloodthirsty manics that are no better then the criminal they're decrying, when in reality, the motivations of why these people want him dead are completely different then the motivations of why Tsarnaev wanted to bomb a marathon as a terrorist attack.

If he feels death is wrong unless for self defense, I'm not sure why the motivation of vengeance would be considered more moral than a political statement. Your moral compass allows that leeway and his doesn't. There's nothing disgusting about it.

 

[Raxus]

Not completely shocked he was found guilty on all charges. Defense was smart enough to roll over on that. Hopefully they are successful in getting him life in prison. I rather see this asshole rot.

 

[LyleLanley]

Oh.

Eh, I wouldn't stretch eye contact into compassion.

True, it could mean literally anything.

 

[mgarnica89]

Its crazy to think that right now, each juror can individually decide if this man dies or doesn't. All it takes is one vote against death. One adamant person that doesn't believe he should die. Imagine the rest of your life knowing that this man lived because you said No.

 

[msdstc]

I know it's awful, but I hope we get the videos shown in court, just to quiet some of the ridiculous talks out there. I know you can't quiet everyone, but the naive majority who believe he was framed should see this guy for the monster he is.

 

[stufte]

At no point have I said that asking for the death penalty is "equal" to what he did, for fucks sake man try to read.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Even acknowledging that his crimes are terrible and deserving of punishment, how does sitting on an online forum (or anywhere) clamoring for death make you any better than him? How do you or anyone else feel comfortable with that? Does the gravity of your words even occur to you? You sit there and say "well I haven't killed anyone, I would never kill anyone" but you slash his life away with barely a thought and a few punches on a keyboard, with as much disregard as he had for the lives of the people he hurt and killed. How does this make you a better person?

So by these words, how are you not saying that people are no better, or equal to him? What the fuck?

 

[boredofcanada]

It's pure rhetoric. People support the death penalty because they say it's better for society to remove violent, useless criminals from the population. People opposed to the death penalty try to show that it's not helping society because it costs more for the condemned to exhaust their appeals. I think the death penalty is used too often, but I think we need it for situations like this. I don't care if it's more expensive. I'd pay a premium for this one to die screaming.

Being torn apart by starving dogs is too good for Tsarnaev, but I suppose lethal injection is going to have to be enough. Traitorous, murdering little shit.

I agree. I'm against the death penalty unless it's very specific crimes, this being one of them. I actually wish they would just sentence him and then execute him immediately after. As painfully as possible too. Fuck him

 

[gutter_trash]

the Death Penalty is too easy and he wants it.

Fuck him, Life is a bigger punishment. And no TV either

 

[Fenderputty]

Its crazy to think that right now, each juror can individually decide if this man dies or doesn't. All it takes is one vote against death. One adamant person that doesn't believe he should die. Imagine the rest of your life knowing that this man lived because you said No.

Am I supposed to feel worse after imagining this?

 

[NullPointer]

I really hope he doesn't get sentenced to death. We are beyond that as a society

We are so not beyond that. Not even close.

He'll die, because he more than deserves it. And it will be done. And we'll move on.

 

[espher]

OK. maybe I'm wrong. Was Timothy McVeigh changed similarly? I really can't find definitive answer. And I mean specific language ("WMD"). If he was maybe I was biased by all the Iraq reporting. But as of now I'm convinced that that change was added for no particular reason...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/oklahoma/stories/guilty2.htm

THE VERDICTS
COUNT 1: Guilty

Conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction against persons in the United States and against federal property, resulting in death, grievous bodily injury and destruction of the building.

COUNT 2: Guilty

Use of a weapon of mass destruction, resulting in death and personal injury.

COUNT 3: Guilty

Destruction by explosive of a federal building, causing death and injury.

COUNTS 4-11: Guilty

First-degree murder of eight federal law enforcement officers.

Edit: I Google'd "timothy mcveigh list of charges" and it was the sixth result, iirc.

 

[Irobot82]

I know it's awful, but I hope we get the videos shown in court, just to quiet some of the ridiculous talks out there. I know you can't quiet everyone, but the naive majority who believe he was framed should see this guy for the monster he is.

I don't think he was framed, but I still want to see the dang videos. I'd like to see with my own eyes that he is a monster.

 

[LyleLanley]

I know it's awful, but I hope we get the videos shown in court, just to quiet some of the ridiculous talks out there. I know you can't quiet everyone, but the naive majority who believe he was framed should see this guy for the monster he is.

I don't think we need video to prove that those people are being ridiculous. His entire case was built on the idea that he did do all of this but that he only did it because he was brainwashed by his brother.

Its crazy to think that right now, each juror can individually decide if this man dies or doesn't. All it takes is one vote against death. One adamant person that doesn't believe he should die. Imagine the rest of your life knowing that this man lived because you said No.

That doesn't seem like such a bad thing. It's not like they'd be letting him walk free.

 

[HTupolev]

Sure, but there must be some lines drawn somewhere. Being capable of killing thousands of people vs being capable of killing dozens of people should have huge distinction (at least from legal perspective).

How much granularity is really needed, given how sentencing works? We could draw up a scale of destructive capacity, or we could keep the definitions simple and let the courts determine the severity of the punishment.

That massive-scale chemical weapons and pressure cooker bombs fall under the same category doesn't mean that they have to be treated as being of the same magnitude.

 

[Kevtones]

Wow at the inhumane execution urges on this page.

 

[kirblar]

Just give him life. No money wasted on appeals.

 

[Megalosaro]

Why does everyone make a big deal it off people not showing emotion when hearing the verdict? The dude is basically being told that his life is (rightfully) over and yet people act like he's a psycho for not showing any emotion

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

First sketch

 

[Thorakai]

I'm just gonna live my life as normal and not worry about what happens to this person.

 

[depths20XX]

So some people are cool with him staying in a box in isolation for the rest of his life but being executed is somehow the "inhumane" thing?

I don't get it. If I was him I'd want the death penalty.

 

[Sanjuro]

Wow at the inhumane execution urges on this page.

Inhumane is probably a poor choice of words here.

 

[Snaku]

Put him in with the gen pop, problem will solve itself.

 

[studyguy]

More curious as to how everything spins out after this guy goes down. I'm not about retribution through death, but I'm sure a great deal of the public is simply asking for blood.

Anyway,

Spoiler

who drew that sketch, what the fuck is up with those faces...?

 

[Resident_UA]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/oklahoma/stories/guilty2.htm



Edit: I Google'd "timothy mcveigh list of charges" and it was the sixth result, iirc.

I tried using wikipedia.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Oh.

Eh, I wouldn't stretch eye contact into compassion.

True, it could mean literally anything.

The cynical side of me thinks the person who wanted to look him in the eye plans to write a book about it or wants to grab some kind of attention/fame after it's all over.

 

[A_Gorilla]

Wow at the inhumane execution urges on this page.

Yeah lets show mercy on the guy who blew up 5 people and mutilated dozens more.

 

[espher]

I tried using wikipedia.

Rookie mistake.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Is that really torture? Solitary is entirely acceptable for someone who did something as terrible as he did. And showing the happy faces of those he injured/killed prior to the bombing can't really qualify as torture.

Yes. It. Is.
Please stop spreading ignorance and educate yourself.
(I sincerely doubt you will, but I hope you will)

 

[Fenderputty]

Inhumane is probably a poor choice of words here.

No it's not. Bloodlust doesn't make a death sentence humane.

I get why people want it. Bloodlust and certainty of guilt make the choice easier, but it's still vengeance that motivates that scentence.

 

[FelixOrion]

List of countries that used capital punishment in 2014:

- China
- Iran
- Saudi Arabia
- Iraq
- Yemen
- Jordan
- Afghanistan
- Japan
- Vietnam
- Malaysia
- Palestine
- Singapore
- UAE
- North Korea
- Belarus
- Equatorial Guinea
- Sudan
- Egypt
- Somalia

And the USA. With few exceptions on that list, that's... interesting company to keep.

Only half of the world has formally banned capital punishment. 36 still practice the death penalty, 50 have it on the books but haven't used in over 10 years, and 6 still have it for stuff like war crimes.

 

[collige]

So some people are cool with him staying in a box in isolation for the rest of his life but being executed is somehow the "inhumane" thing?

I don't get it. If I was him I'd want the death penalty.

It feels to me like a decent amount of people who are arguing against the death penalty aren't doing so because of the opposition to the penalty, but instead because they want an even worse punishment. It's pretty disturbing tbh.

 

[mgarnica89]

I care what happens. More people could have died. It was deliberate. The bomb was aimed for death. He should suffer. I dont know if Death or Life would cause him more suffering, but whatever is worst for him it is what i want.. He killed this kid...

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Yeah lets show mercy on the guy who blew up 5 people and mutilated dozens more.

The ideal is to be better than your enemies, right?

Showing mercy would be in line with that...

 

[Veritigo_X]

First sketch

That sketch looks really weird. They made Tsarnaev look like he's playing charades instead of hearing a verdict that could mean the death penalty.

 

[LyleLanley]

Wow at the inhumane execution urges on this page.

Is there a humane option for him at this point? As far as I understand it's either death or 23 hours per day of solitary confinement for the rest of his life.

 

[Macho Madness]

That sketch looks really weird. They made Tsarnaev look like he's playing charades instead of hearing a verdict that could mean the death penalty.

His courtroom behavior has been described as jittery. Fussing with his beard and hair constantly.

 

[kmax]

I have never been for the death penalty, and this verdict doesn't change my views.

Let the man rot in jail. Killing a man for the sake of revenge is petty and cruel in and of itself. When it comes to justice, we should take the high ground and be above that.

 

[Resident_UA]

How much granularity is really needed, given how sentencing works? We could draw up a scale of destructive capacity, or we could keep the definitions simple and let the courts determine the severity of the punishment.

That massive-scale chemical weapons and pressure cooker bombs fall under the same category doesn't mean that they have to be treated as being of the same magnitude.

Well my original point was that this charge would not influence severity of the punishment. I think he is getting death penalty no matter what.

The reason why I think we should differentiate is lesser charges (possession, etc.). For example is you have a nuke in your basement and don't tell anyone I think you should be spending most of your life in prison regardless of motive...

 

[Subpar Spatula]

It's quite frightening to see people so acceptable of murder even if it's under the guise of "making society better".

You would think we would shutter at that fact but it just goes to show how slow humans are at leaving barbarism behind.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Is there a humane option for him at this point? As far as I understand it's either death or 23 hours per day of solitary confinement for the rest of his life.

An attempt at rehabilitation?

I understand that might anger people, but it's certainly the most humane option.

 

[Sanjuro]

No it's not. Bloodlust doesn't make a death sentence humane.

I get why people want it. Bloodlust and certainty of guilt make the choice easier, but it's still vengeance that motivates that scentence.

What is the compassionate choice at this point for Tsarnaev?

ANSWER: After being found guilty on every count, none.

 

[m_shortpants]

I don't know if life in prison is any less cruel than death though. It seems like a fine line. Of course I don't really care what happens to him but I don't think the world will be any worse if he is executed. And I think life in prison is a worse punishment so I wouldn't mind him getting that either.

 

[LyleLanley]

An attempt at rehabilitation?

I understand that might anger people, but it's certainly the most humane option.

Well yeah but that's not an option in this scenario is it?

 

[boredofcanada]

Wow at the inhumane execution urges on this page.

Why should we be humane to him?

 

[cruets]

I'm pro death penalty but for some reason i rather have him rot in prison for the rest of his life. Life without parole seems way more harsh to me considering his age

 

[collige]

I care what happens. More people could have died. It was deliberate. The bomb was aimed for death. He should suffer. I dont know if Death or Life would cause him more suffering, but whatever is worst for him it is what i want.. He killed this kid...

This is a pretty ironic post.

 

[gutter_trash]

It feels to me like a decent amount of people who are arguing against the death penalty aren't doing so because of the opposition to the penalty, but instead because they want an even worse punishment. It's pretty disturbing tbh.

he cannot be made a martyr of. he most rot in jail forever