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Just got my console (and I assume my account) banned from Live for playing Halo 4.
- Thread starter Skel1ingt0n
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The vast majority of them do have a EULA in the manual.
Interestingly enough, Halo 4 doesn't have a game specific license agreement listed anywhere on the box and there is no manual included in the standard edition (the LE may differ). The only mention of any license on the Halo 4 box is the Live terms.
IANAL, but the lack of a license agreement would seem to exempt Halo 4 from the three prong test setup by Vernor. It's usually pretty easy to meet (which is why the vast majority of software is considered licensed under US law since the decision), but having that license agreement in the package is one of the key points IIRC.
It really, really sucks for those of us who have zero chance of playing the game early.
Yeah, that one store should definitely be granted a competitive advantage over all the other retailers who play by the rules.
Did you read anything beyond the OP?
I agree. However, banning someone's console for having a physical copy of the game that is not pirated is far, far worse. Tonight I'm gonna contact xbl support to see if I can get around the ban, and in the meantime I'll just play offline.
If anything it's probably an indie store who can get away with this sort of thing. Chains usually get found out pretty fast, see kmart.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
The store has a contract they agree to not break the street date. They did something "wrong" by breaking this contract and selling it early. If the store stuck to the contract they agreed to, the the customer would have never been banned in the first place.
Escape Goat
Member
LOL I never thought this gif would actually apply in a serious situation.
How does this excuse anything?
I read the first 5 pages of this thread, I am not going to read 24 pages.
Anyway I assume he is paying for live, my comment was a lighthearted criticism against Microsoft for banning a paying customer.
Did I miss something?
How the franchise director of Halo promised to reverse the ban within five minutes of the thread being posted. Then he said Microsoft would reverse any bans for anyone that provided even a modicum of proof that their copies were original.
I'm not excusing it. Just saying that this will have no impact on games sales because a small indie store are likely to break the release date than a chain, so nothing is lost. You're already risking your account if you go on multiplayer before the official date so again no loss to anyone.
I read that and did not miss it, what does that have to do with him getting banned in the first place and my comment?
It's still unfair that any store should be rewarded for breaking the rules.
That he doesn't lose his purchases or the Live time he paid for, except maybe the day or two until he gets unbanned.
When they ban him like that they are basically suggesting that he is a thief, even after taking his LIVE money. Then the OP had go and prove to them that he is innocent = guilty until proven innocent.
Looks like money well spent on a wonderful experience.
Anyway no big deal, sh*t happens.
Agreed, but I doubt the OP would give the name if this is a regular occurrence.
blitzcloud
Banned
That would be the point of it yes. Huge fining and firing of people leaking copies.
When they ban him like that they are basically suggesting that he is a thief, even after taking his LIVE money. Then the OP had go and prove to them that he is innocent = guilty until proven innocent.
Looks like money well spent on a wonderful experience.
Anyway no big deal, sh*t happens.
If you judge companies solely by actions against a tiny minority of their users, I hope you never shop at Amazon again. Just out of principle.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Thats the point. It could be especially bad if the whole service wasnt up and running properly when jabroni played it, then lets say has a bad time with it and thus ends up giving bad press on the game to his friends just because he played it when he wasnt supposed to. Stores have rules like everyone else. If they get sued its their own fault.
Nah I'm not really judging the whole company on this, just this incident. Xbox is a hit and miss for me, I love some things and hate other things ( as with most things
)I might buy the next Xbox if it has something different and fresh to capture my attention.
But if anything like the RROD type problem happens again, well that will put me off big time, because the RROD was a nightmare for me. I was literally paranoid that it would die any second again while playing because of how many times it happened in the past haha, it was a stressful experience. I never got to finish Lost Odyssey
So if they surprise me in a good way next gen they can have all the money they want, but I will be very careful before I give it.
I think you are misunderstanding him..simply because if it was a copied, replica non legitimate game..it would mean his console would need to be one of those altered xboxes or what ever these pirates call them ..in that case he would deserve to be banned if he was able to play a non genuine halo 4 game..ie not from the manufacture...correct me if i am wrong
Yea wtf!
*looks at name matty2Dfraud*
Oh...
I love the entitlement in the post about "my country too*
MS should and will continue to ban people like this and if you don't have receipt when you buy something from the store in this day and age...you stole it...
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Ya man seriously. Who the hell doesnt keep a receipt of a game thats not out yet on a console that has a big tendancy to break. Come ooooooon.
No..he's all things halo guy
Sarcasm...or?
Easy solution, all official press have to register their username to get access to Online before release. Everyone else will be blocked from playing online until the game gets released.
It is bad business but when a company gets so big....they can do things like this without any loss, seriously. EA has done many tacky moves on their consumers and they do not lose a wink of sleep at night. MS can do what they want....they are that big so they can, unfortunately.
I think banning the OP for playing early is very tacky...i do understand why MS does not want people playing their game early...but to toss customers to the curb like nothing just feels so tacky ...when someone or something ..like a company gets so big they start losing their sensitivity....this goes for anything that gets too powerful,etc. Its like why a lot of super rich and/or powerful people lose their sensitivity towards others..There needs to be a better system implemented, if they really cared.
I prefer eating at small locally owned steak houses,restaurants,etc rather than a big well-known nation wide steak houses, restaurants,etc.....better service, better care and sensitivity to their customers and best of all...better food.
Like i mentioned before...look at all the crap EA has pulled on their consumers and they can get away with it..because they can.
Do you always believe and react to people from you're imagined scenarios? Dude..that's scary..REALLY scary lol
Silly.Mikey
Banned
And yet, im also absolutely positive that it happened somewhat like that. Theres no way he had no idea, no way in hell.
soulassssns
Banned
Installing my legit copy now. I'm gonna just try and stay offline for a while, but hopefully Xbox support will come through if I mistakenly hop online and get the ban hammer.
Edit- haha it's upside down. Stupid phone.
Must know store. PM me lol
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Installing my legit copy now. I'm gonna just try and stay offline for a while, but hopefully Xbox support will come through if I mistakenly hop online and get the ban hammer.
Edit- haha it's upside down. Stupid phone.
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They did all that shit cause they got their ass sued rofl. Give me a break.
HawksWinStanley
Member
Nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions. It's much easier to blame MS for trying to keep piracy at bay.
The guy is even getting unbanned even though his copy is kind of shady and people are still whining. Why would anyone expect MS to just assume he has a legit copy and investigate futher into his specific case when nobody is supposed to have the game right now?
As soon as the game has been shipped out to retailers, they'd be foolish to think that anyone can completely enforce a street date without any exceptions. It'd be terribly naive to assume that there won't be any legal copies of the game sold too early.
I'm still waiting for what's happening on friday. A lot of smaller shops will start selling the game as soon as that around here (Germany, Austria, Switzerland). There will be thousands of retail copies sold before the weekend.
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Microsoft's terms of use specifically states a policy of "at will" when it comes to banning a console. Meaning they can have a reason, or they can have no reason. And they don't need to tell you that reason.
In short, bro, you're fucked.
In short, bro, you're fucked.
Blue Ninja
Member
Guys, Microsoft is going to unban the guy. They're rectifying their mistake.
The majority of people who would play Halo 4 online now are still people who have obtained the game illegitimately, and so deserve to be banned. If I were MS, I wouldn't be taking chances with that, too.
If innocent people like Skellington get caught in the crossifre, they can get it fixed. As is happening right now.
The majority of people who would play Halo 4 online now are still people who have obtained the game illegitimately, and so deserve to be banned. If I were MS, I wouldn't be taking chances with that, too.
If innocent people like Skellington get caught in the crossifre, they can get it fixed. As is happening right now.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Raising hell on a highly visible video game message board is what fixed the problem. Average Joe gamer would be SOL.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Yep. Or it would require more leg work.
KojiKnight
Member
Except people were getting banned even if they never went online because the 360 keeps a play log that it phones back to microsoft... so next time you get online for any purpose you could still get banned.
(edit) lol fail quote. Meant to quote the person who originally posted the picture.
RedNumberFive
Banned
He would likely be stuck in an endless loop of CSR calls to India. Unfortunately, publicly shaming companies is the only way to get results in this day and age.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Again, not defending MS but blaming the store. He would have never been banned if the store didn't break their contract and sell the game early. His problem is with the store, not with MS but he is protecting the store as he knows and admits that he shouldn't even have the game.
If nothing else, this situation brings to light stores breaking street dates. It is the mom and pop stores most likely breaking street dates and they are only hurting themselves since the street dates are there so smaller shops can compete with big box retailers.
As the saying goes, one bad apple ruins the bunch.
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