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[Fat4all]

lovers die together no matter how they die

 

[isaacnukem]

Then die together they will.

(Totally not my single heart speaking)

 

[CrimsonFist]

no lynch (1)
karkador 749
blargonaut 850

zubz (5)
franconp 765
kitsunelaine 821
launchpadmcq 835
isaacnukem 839
Karkador (930)

franconp (1)
zubz 796

Blargonaut (1)
achors (859)

Achors (1)
weemadarthur (943)

Day Ends:

 

[isaacnukem]

I just want to commend everyone, this game has been free of people fighting each other so far. Great job all.

 

[Fat4all]

If it true that they are lovers, I'd assume scum would target them tonight anyways.

 

[isaacnukem]

I'd rather make sure today.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'm gonna keep asking because you're not making any sense to me. You thought you were going to Karkador's push but oops it was actually Kalor. So why don't you just tell us all the other reasons you'd go with either of those instead?

I'm a little more trusting of Kark because he usually has his head screwed on right, whether he's town or scum. Assuming he was town and had done his homework, and I thought he was backing up my gut read so I thought that was a safe bet.

Yeah, it bothers me, too. Except I'm not getting a particularly scummy vibe off Zubz and I'm hesitant to flip if lovers. I'm a bit suspicious of anyone who's pushing that.

This is what it comes down to:

do we really think Zubz is scum? Do we think it enough to risk a lovers lynch if we're wrong? Despite Zubz being shady as fuck, it doesn't really feel like scum shady. It feels like kinda dumb gambit shady.

Scum's down one. 3-4 left; with neutrals, maybe/probably only three left. If we're gonna take the risk of losing two towns, we'd do it now. It's very possible they could be the neutrals.

But there are other things on the table and a whole lot of silence from some suspicious folks.

I'm ready to risk is because even if they really are lovers, that role couldn't have landed on a worse pair. They are being really unsupportive of town with how cryptic they've been.

For them to be lovers we'll need to see kissing, with tongue

oh uh ok...

 

[hey_monkey]

Welp, I can certainly agree that Zubz is being shady, even if I'm not as sure that it's scum shady. short of anything else going down, looks like he will be the lynch. Consider this my proxy vote in that direction. We're only halfway to majority but I'm against a turbo until tomorrow regardless so I will just hang back. I will answer Dusk's follow up when I'm at a computer later.

 

[Kalor]

If it true that they are lovers, I'd assume scum would target them tonight anyways.

Or scum will leave them alone to make us waste a lynch tomorrow.

 

[CornBurrito]

Not sure if I buy the lovers claim.

Dusk_Soldier brought up good points about monkey that I don't think monkey dispelled well enough.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I admit that melon is a bit of a blind spot to me because of our history, but look at her posts at D1 end:

We're two hours away and several people have all but vanished for the majority of the day. There's coasting and then there's this.

I'm confused by this.

We would only find out if you live through the night? Surely, flipping you would explain immediately.

Again with the strange phrasing.

Reading is way overrated.

You feeling good about Zubz too?

Well, then. Things just got interesting.

Let's wait for Crimson to confirm.

Whoops. My mistake.

Thought he was finally giving some answers.

What is going on????

I'm taking crazy pills.

Seems content to let the day ride out with all the attention on Zubz and no lunch.

My heart says LP.

But I can't explain what Launch just did.

Tosses shade at other alternatives.

I don't see many vocal for LP atm. And no lunch, Fran and Zubz aren't great options.

Vote: LaunchpadMcQ

Vote happens with 9 minutes left. Vote count is 4 no lunch, 3 cewyn, 3 zubz. Yet her vote is off wagon on Launch, currently at 2, getting him to 3 and making him a viable candidate. No mention of cewyn.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Here's another explanation for the apathetic day end. Scum would want town zubz dead instead of cewyn, but would prefer no lunch to losing a teammate. But a late push for no lunch out of nowhere looks bad when there are scummy players. So stay quiet and hope someone self incriminates. Launch almost did.

But there was no real pile up of votes on Zubz either. He never got far enough ahead to not be passed by anyone. Could it be that the two wagons (cewyn and Zubz) were both scum?

 

[franconp]

Here's another explanation for the apathetic day end. Scum would want town zubz dead instead of cewyn, but would prefer no lunch to losing a teammate. But a late push for no lunch out of nowhere looks bad when there are scummy players. So stay quiet and hope someone self incriminates. Launch almost did.

But there was no real pile up of votes on Zubz either. He never got far enough ahead to not be passed by anyone. Could it be that the two wagons (cewyn and Zubz) were both scum?

You are missing the part where both wagons where linked together. Cewyn's lynch started when Neck proposed me to vote for Cewyn instead of Zubz as there were less to lose (as he was an inactive). There were no real pile on Zubz because some of us instead decided to vote Cewyn.

 

[hey_monkey]

But why did you vote out Cewyn if you didn't think he was actually scum?

It wasn't that I didn't think he couldn't be scum. It's that I thought there were other possibilities that felt stronger to me. And I thought there were enough possibilities around that I did not want No Lynch to win.

That's what I'm not getting here. It's like you placed your vote there so you couldn't be held accountable for your real opinions.

Placing a vote for Corn Burrito minutes after giving a read list of only low-activity players in context looked like you were throwing a dart at the wall and hoping for it to stick.

I'm not sure if you just missed the context or you're purposely ignoring the context. That list wasn't just low activity players. It was everyone beyond the people I said I wouldn't vote day one for various reasons, either because they were low on my suspicion list or they were creating enough content in the thread that I didn't want to see them gone over preserving someone who wasn't posting much. Yes, I will absolutely vote someone with potential scum overtones + low quantity poster over potential scum overtones + high quantity poster, all other things being equal. We all have our filters.

I guess in Lone Prodigy's case I was looking for more of an analysis. I noticed today you keep saying you think he's scum, but your reasons why come across as lacklustre.

Is he the token teammate your going to throw shade at all game to keep town confused?

I'm sure you did. But I've already done this. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna go ahead and say a few things here and I'm gonna leave them at that. I'm happy to discuss things. I love a good back and forth. But all you're doing is asking me to repeat myself. Literally only that. I dunno if you think you're gonna catch me in something or what but it's boring to go in circles on the same topics. Same reason I'm not really interested in reiterating what Zubz meant or didn't mean by his Cewyn remark ten times. And with two games behind me, I see that I'm just not always in line with GAFia play. It's fine. If I get lynched for that, I get lynched for that. But I spent most of my first game just defending my approach to play and it got me killed regardless so I'd rather focus on other things than explaining for the fifteenth time why I do certain things - and they are things that I do consistently. You'll just have to take 'em as you see 'em.

I'm also a little salty for reasons outside this game after last game, but in short, that's going to make me a little testy about being asked to repeat myself. I don't want to drag anyone and that's not anyone's fault here. It just is what it is.

So I will give you the short version of my LP thoughts, but if it seems "lackluster" to you, it's because I've already said it all before. Until his post earlier on melon, I didn't really see much of an attempt from LP to do anything. He started out by numbering his posts which is such a ridiculous move that it absolutely stands out. He votes CB in what looks like a joke vote but he swears isn't. He never really engages with anything else going on. The only thing he really did d1 was me-too your post on fran, but he didn't move himself to vote. If there had been an actual real move for votes on fran, it might have changed discussion on d1, and he could have done that. But instead it was just an easy way to look busy. Did the same with Launch - another throwaway comment in a me-too context that extends shade without action. Again, keeps him as part of conversations without advancing anything, and without him moving his vote. And what was his reason? Voting's too hard on mobile?

Now, I do think his comments on melonrabbit are interesting. I'd be inclined to agree with his assessment. But that just happened. Have to watch and see if he follows up or fades away again.

CB is also on my list of scum possibles, but mostly just for inactivity/filler activity (mechanics talk d1, nothing but poking his head up today. Really kind of similar. No advancement. Just existing. Looking like they're doing something without doing anything to advance town.

In fact, from my notes, here's how I've got everyone grouped at this time - I keep an active list and move people up or down as the thread advances. This is a bit different from my list yesterday.

Possible scum list:
melonrabbit
CornBurrito
kitsunelaine
LaunchpadMcQ

Lower possible scum:
Lone_Prodigy
Kalor
weemadarthur
Zubz

Candidates for neutral:
Zubz
Blarg
Fat4All
Kark

Null due to several possibilities:
franconp
isaacnukem
rac?

People who aren’t pinging my scum radar at this time:
Dusk Soldier
NeckToChicken
acohrs

 

[Dusk Soldier]

vote:Zubz

In your opinion Zubz, why do you think Blarg is claiming to be your lover?

 

[franconp]

Maybe Zubz or Blarg can clarify this:

Zubz says that he didn't see the PM:

I refuse to ever trust a Day 1 No Kill voter, especially one as experienced as Kark.

... Like, I'm going to be real right now. I've been accused of people looking too far into my votes for comfort. I know that's part of the game, but I came up with a strategy for this. So I haven't even read my Role PM, & have no idea who I am or what side I'm on. This is a blind vote. We're straight-up "Jotaro playing poker"-ing this. I defy any of you to try to read me for this.

Vote: Karkador

Blarg made a weird post, that with new info is a call on Zubz to look at his PM:

But how do you know where your guts are if you've never seen them?

Zubz here hints that he saw it:

How do you know I haven't?



Because CrimsonFist said you could reply or post in the thread to confirm. I mean, did you not read your Role PM or something? That's just careless.

Zubz admits that he saw it and start calling it a gambit:

Are you trying that same edgy threat that... Someone? tried yesterday? Because I'll just bail the thread. No reveal means no reveal!



... That said, we really are wasting time on what should've been a quick gambit. So yes, I read my Role. Ruin my fun, why don't you?

Blarg confirms that Zubz didn't read his PM:

I can confirm that Zubz didn't read his Role PM, now ask me how I felt about that

Zubz says Blarg was bored in the chat:

I mean, 4 votes in the first couple of hours from the a chunk of the game I can't account for, plus Rac, and the guy that randomly voted for me without explanation, the guy that wasted so much discussion yesterday on the one thing I did that wasn't admittedly suspect & jumped right back into it rather than looking for who would kill nin, & the girl that's been latching onto others' votes all being among them... Seems pretty Scummy to me.



Ha ha, yeah. Reading that mad soliloquy you did while I wasn't there was hilarious! Almost as hilarious as you doing this without consulting me ha ha wow.

Fake Edit: ... Ok, so you were just impatient. I was snoozing, ma petite chou-fleur.

So, most likely Blarg and Zubz share a chat and it wasn't a gambit by Zubz. He didn't really saw the PM until later. Do this mean they are lovers? Not really. This mean they are partners.

Part 2 incoming.

 

[franconp]

Let's go over Zubz roleclaims, plans and machinations:

Zubz says he has a plan:

True. But my plan might still be working.

He says his plan is still working:

Acorns didn't get me to announce I read my PM here, nin did. Acorns is the one who clearly didn't check their Role PM. And my plan still might be working, but it might not be helping the town as much as I'd hoped.



Trust me, my a d o r i n g followers are going to have fun with this.

Glad to see some whiter voices speaking, even if they're not saying much.

Why are you voting now then, Kitsune? If this is about the typo, I feel genuinely torn up about it. If this is about my plan, that's for me to know, & for players to figure out. I fear I'm getting too obvious now, really.



Ooh! Ominous!

He says his plan will only fail if he is killed:

My gambit is only bumbled if I'm killed. It's not as good as it was at first, but I'm still in it.

I do agree that we shouldn't dogpile on anyone, though. Which Isaac did on my vote for Kark, & now Kitsune's doing on me. There was little deliberation in both cases other than a "me too;" they're both worthwhile targets, but Imm holding onto my prod vote for now.

He says that there is a big risk but a bigger reward, really weird for a Lovers role (going to come back to this post later):

So first of all? You seem way too knowledgeable for a new player based on your previous posts. I'm, like, 99% certain someone's giving you suggestions & hot tips about this game outside of this thread. This doesn't inherently mean "Scum," but it's definitely likely. Granted, could be a Lovers type deal (I mean, come on, my first GAFia game had me on a team with TWE; no way I'd ignore a teammate).

I'd feel bad voting for a new player, but it seems Cewyn's just dropped out, & Scum is Scum.

You are right, though. These machinations are high risk, high reward. But the reward will be worth it if it pans out.

He says he can get information later (being Lovers? HOW?):

I have never once said I have gotten information from these machinations yet. I said I might get information later. I can't be more blunt than this right now.

If your vote on franconp was exactly the kind of thing franconp was accusing me of doing, I might actually collapse. More importantly, now I'm tied with No Kill while franconp is less likely to win. Damn you, Karkador, I may have to vote No Kill.

He says he will explain if he lived through the nigth (we are still waiting on this):

You have been talking about this for awhile. And Wee. Then Wee used it to kick sand around everywhere. That was absolutely just a mistake; I'll even concede my gambit was "fucked up" in a way. But it's still ongoing, and will explained if I live through the night.

He says he is worried of scum figuring out:

... If the Scum already have what I meant by this figured out and nobody else does, I'll... I dunno. Sit in sad silence for a minute.



I meant that it'd be smarter to go for Kitsune if there's a chance she's scum, rather than going after Cewyn for being quiet.

He says he will obtain info in the future (again; BEING LOVERS WITH BLARG):

I didn't try to take control of discussion today, though, I expected a different result that wouldn't pay off until later, & still hasn't paid off. I can't be more blunt without laying all my cards on the table.

He is afraid that scum will kill him before he can make the gambit happen (Do you see a pattern here):

Because franconp wasting so much discussion time on me using the wrong phrase seemed counterproductive, counterlogical, & francly I believe it was an intentional distraction, especially because I fear the Scum figured out the gambit & are using this vagueness against me to kill me before it happens.

He says that his gambit, the one that will pay off in the future and has big risk but a possible big reward is his PR (which again: IS BEING LOVERS WITH BLARG):

Absolutely. I'll give more coherent thoughts later, but you were making it very clear you were trying to bait me into voting for Cewyn at a time where you could easily away the vote between me & him due to the tie situation going on there.

My guess is you realized that my "gambit" meant I had to be a power role & wanted me dead D1. To minimize risk/give yourself an easier D2, you tried to tie me to someone you ironically knew was scum but wasn't worth saving due to inactivity... Which is hilarious (I'm sorry to hear you had a bad weekend, though, Cewyn!). But I really don't think your plan's working, outside of the obvious "waste everyone's time & take up voting space" deal.

So, Zubz spent a lot of time hinting an informative PR and talking about gambits and ways to obtain info but his claimed role doesn't check out at all with this.

Again with this post:

So first of all? You seem way too knowledgeable for a new player based on your previous posts. I'm, like, 99% certain someone's giving you suggestions & hot tips about this game outside of this thread. This doesn't inherently mean "Scum," but it's definitely likely. Granted, could be a Lovers type deal (I mean, come on, my first GAFia game had me on a team with TWE; no way I'd ignore a teammate).

I'd feel bad voting for a new player, but it seems Cewyn's just dropped out, & Scum is Scum.

You are right, though. These machinations are high risk, high reward. But the reward will be worth it if it pans out.

Why are you saying that Kitsune could be a Lovers when you already had that role? You knew that she couldn't be one.

 

[hey_monkey]

Yeah, none of what Zubz says makes sense for lovers - but a lot of his stuff is contradictory regardless. And it's pretty clear at this point he isn't going to spill even if he has anything.

 

[isaacnukem]

Yeah, none of what Zubz says makes sense for lovers - but a lot of his stuff is contradictory regardless. And it's pretty clear at this point he isn't going to spill even if he has anything.

He's going to spill...guts!

 

[Fat4all]

So Masons, maybe? Or a neutral team w/abilities?

A little too blatant for scum, I'd like to think.

 

[hey_monkey]

I would agree it's awfully blatant for scum, but with Blarg involved, anything's possible. I would not be at all surprised to see Blarg stand in front of me and try to convince me he's literally invisible.

But I don't think anything else is going to happen until we deal with Zubz. It's a shame, because there are some people just lounging at the edges and other possibilities, but Zubz' odd behavior, and everything connected to it, has just been a tidal wave covering everything else.

I have some things to finish up, but I plan to go over Blarg's posts closely later since I know he likes to seed clues in unusual places, especially ambiguous things he can twist for various later circumstances.

 

[kitsunelaine]

Possible scum list:
melonrabbit
CornBurrito
kitsunelaine
LaunchpadMcQ

Hmmm. Could you explain my inclusion here? My only issue is not being as attentive as I should be, I think, and checking on what seems to be the consensus rather than voting my own way. I'm curious to hear your reasonings, though.

The thing about forum mafia that I wasn't prepared for is that there is so much reading. So much. (I'll catch up, I swear). But for now... I claim generic town. It's an easy claim, for sure, but I believe an honest one.

 

[Blargonaut]

If I may, it would behoove you to suggest an alternative in such depth, franconp my dear

 

[kitsunelaine]

Okay I'm going to dedicate my next hour or so to re-reading the game from D1 and posting any thoughts or whatever. I owe you guys that much for my slack.

 

[Blargonaut]

If you aren't scum, I might add

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

No need to claim.

 

[kitsunelaine]

No need to claim.

Screw common sense, I have buttons to press. Big, shiny red buttons that say "do not press". And I'm pressing all of them.

...Okay. I'm pressing one of them. Not all of them. Pressing all of them would be silly and potentially fatal. And I don't even know what most of these DO.

 

[Blargonaut]

Hmmm. Could you explain my inclusion here? My only issue is not being as attentive as I should be, I think, and checking on what seems to be the consensus rather than voting my own way. I'm curious to hear your reasonings, though.

The thing about forum mafia that I wasn't prepared for is that there is so much reading. So much. (I'll catch up, I swear). But for now... I claim generic town. It's an easy claim, for sure, but I believe an honest one.

yep. Skim or die.

Don't take notes, they only slow you down. It's all in the wiki anyway. What you really need to look for is people mentioning others by name. Not quotations. People, actually taking the time to write out someone's username; to what extent? To what nicknaming purpose? Who are they naming? Who do you think they're naming? Would they name me?

Does one stare at their feet while jogging?

Or does one only pay attention on the stairs?

The context of intent around name-drops is entirely environmental. Your mind *automatically* processes those P2P connections so leave the hard work to your subconscience. But remember that the leaves of collusion only sprout from the beanstalk of name-drops?

Me? I don't see the words anymore. All I see is Doctor... Power Role... x-shot...

Look for the name-drops, Kitsunelaine

 

[NeckToChicken]

nah

Well that's a relief.

@chicken, not going to say who I think the pair is, want to protect them from scum.

I would've been concerned if you had! Aired your suspicions that is, not the protecting bit.

So Masons, maybe? Or a neutral team w/abilities?

This is an interesting possibility. Maybe Zubz' wild claim of 5 clears is a 3 count of the neutral members, a role check from someone in the group, and... something else? 3 of a kind, Jacks high? But if that's the case we can string up Zubz and still have a chance to get our answers.

Given, neutral compliance might go down if we lynch a group member.

 

[NeckToChicken]

^ Cancel that I'm an idiot he said he cleared multiple people not 5.

especially considering how out of the multiple people I cleared last night, none of those 5 were among them.

I continue to excel in read bad.

 

[Blargonaut]

I told Zubz to shut up because I'm his lawyer now. None of you are talking to him anymore.

 

[Blargonaut]

VOTE: Zubz

 

[hey_monkey]

Hmmm. Could you explain my inclusion here? My only issue is not being as attentive as I should be, I think, and checking on what seems to be the consensus rather than voting my own way. I'm curious to hear your reasonings, though.

The thing about forum mafia that I wasn't prepared for is that there is so much reading. So much. (I'll catch up, I swear). But for now... I claim generic town. It's an easy claim, for sure, but I believe an honest one.

Behavioral shifts. Could be newness, might be coaching. And weird statements like that. You believe it's honest? It either is or it ain't.

And I don't believe you're vanilla town.

First forum games are hard. You'll be suspected and meanwhile you're trying to figure everything out. I know. But your d1 was erratic in a whole new way.

 

[Blargonaut]

hey_monkey and franconp, I want you two to Role-claim now.

 

[hey_monkey]

VOTE: Zubz

If I wasn't on my phone in bed, I would be posting a hellacious gif right now. So just close your eyes and imagine it. What a gif. Wow.

 

[Blargonaut]

If I wasn't on my phone in bed, I would be posting a hellacious gif right now. So just close your eyes and imagine it. What a gif. Wow.

He dies and I die. Take your pick.

 

[NeckToChicken]

What, did he stiff you on your retainer? I'm interested in what this ultimatum might cause.

If I wasn't on my phone in bed, I would be posting a hellacious gif right now. So just close your eyes and imagine it. What a gif. Wow.

ArrestedDevelopmentWorstAttorneys.gif

 

[hey_monkey]

hey_monkey and franconp, I want you two to Role-claim now.

Sorry, friend. I played my cards. Said my piece. No one's listening to me. Maybe they're right and maybe they're not. But your pal Z started us down this road and it looks like there's no getting off til the end.

 

[Blargonaut]

What, did he stiff you on your retainer? I'm interested in what this ultimatum might cause.

*interrupt*

I am the retainer

 

[kitsunelaine]

Behavioral shifts. Could be newness, might be coaching. And weird statements like that. You believe it's honest? It either is or it ain't.

And I don't believe you're vanilla town.

First forum games are hard. You'll be suspected and meanwhile you're trying to figure everything out. I know. But your d1 was erratic in a whole new way.

Do you have reason to believe I'm not vanilla town? Also, my D1 was full of misunderstandings born from not reading properly. And of course I believe it's honest! I'm the one making the statement! It either is or isn't, but in my case, I know it is. Of course, I don't expect you to believe me. I just expect you to have good reason to believe otherwise.

 

[hey_monkey]

Do you have reason to believe I'm not vanilla town? Also, my D1 was full of misunderstandings born from not reading properly. And of course I believe it's honest! I'm the one making the statement! It either is or isn't, but in my case, I know it is. Of course, I don't expect you to believe me. I just expect you to have good reason to believe otherwise.

I do have reasons. Maybe it'll pan out, but not much point getting into it now. Don't sweat it; it's a list and it shifts. Regardless, a whole bunch of apparent nothing is going to happen until Zubz either comes with something new or is lynched. Kinda sucks. Game goes stagnant. But it is what it is.

 

[Blargonaut]

I do have reasons. Maybe it'll pan out, but not much point getting into it now. Don't sweat it; it's a list and it shifts. Regardless, a whole bunch of apparent nothing is going to happen until Zubz either comes with something new or is lynched. Kinda sucks. Game goes stagnant. But it is what it is.

Absolute trash statement. You, are encouraging this episode while blatantly not committing yourself to it. We lynch Karkador for being a non-committal vacuum, or franconp for tunnelling.

 

[Blargonaut]

You, are encouraging Zubz to lie his way out of this or else, hey_monkey.

 

[hey_monkey]

Absolute trash statement. You, are encouraging this episode while blatantly not committing yourself to it. We lynch Karkador for being a non-committal vacuum, or franconp for tunnelling.

You say that as though I'd be particularly against those. I wouldn't.

Something is up with Kark for sure. I don't think fran is scum but the tunneling has dominated. However, Zubz' offenses are worse. My guess is Z and F is town v town. But shit, I've been wrong before and I will be wrong again. But if you think I'm the immovable object here, you're barking all wrong. I've already tried.

Also, think you're delightful, definitely do not trust you, so there's that. ಠ_ರೃ

 

[Fat4all]

I'm getting pretty sick right now, so if anyone asked me anything for a bit it might take me a while to answer.

Promise to be active again well before the day ends.

 

[Blargonaut]

Let's go over Zubz roleclaims, plans and machinations:

Zubz says he has a plan:

• He says his plan is still working.
• He says his plan will only fail if he is killed.
• He says that there is a big risk but a bigger reward, really weird for a Lovers role (going to come back to this post later).
• He says he can get information later (being Lovers? HOW?).
• He says he will explain if he lived through the nigth (we are still waiting on this).
• He says he is worried of scum figuring out.
• He says he will obtain info in the future (again; BEING LOVERS WITH BLARG).
• He is afraid that scum will kill him before he can make the gambit happen (Do you see a pattern here).
• He says that his gambit, the one that will pay off in the future and has big risk but a possible big reward is his PR (which again: IS BEING LOVERS WITH BLARG.).

So, Zubz spent a lot of time hinting an informative PR and talking about gambits and ways to obtain info but his claimed role doesn't check out at all with this.

*redact*

In light of the recent development folding me into this matter, I dismiss all this as my Lover's inconsequential tomfoolery having publicly raved under the influence of ignorance prior. I'm Bulletproof, but Zubz isn't. And it's not x-shot.

 

[Blargonaut]

Man was being fallaciously selfish attempting for pro-Town glory in the midst of a non-Factional intent. Us gamers should empathize with that.

 

[kitsunelaine]

Batshit theory: What if Zubz has a role that benefits from being lynched?

 

[acohrs]

Kits, you just blew my mind.

 

[franconp]

If I may, it would behoove you to suggest an alternative in such depth, franconp my dear

I have a long list of people who I don't trust but none of them have so many quotes as Zubz.

Behavioral shifts. Could be newness, might be coaching. And weird statements like that. You believe it's honest? It either is or it ain't.

And I don't believe you're vanilla town.

First forum games are hard. You'll be suspected and meanwhile you're trying to figure everything out. I know. But your d1 was erratic in a whole new way.

Kitsune said generic, not vanilla.

hey_monkey and franconp, I want you two to Role-claim now.

There are already too much roleclaims for a day 2.

Absolute trash statement. You, are encouraging this episode while blatantly not committing yourself to it. We lynch Karkador for being a non-committal vacuum, or franconp for tunnelling.

And why don't we lynch scum instead? I mean, that's the objetive of the game. Or isn't yours?

Batshit theory: What if Zubz has a role that benefits from being lynched?

The only roles that benefit from being lynched are Tanners or Jesters and we usually don't use them. If a role like that is used the mod would have told that the game is bastard. That's why we try to avoid them.

Another option would be Zubz being a scum who can make a double NK when he dies but that's not really a bad outcome as that means we got another scum.