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Just Mafia |OT| Sometimes You Don't Need A Reason to Lynch Your Friends
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CrimsonFist
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hey_monkey
Banned
Is this where you tell us giving Fat4All a gun was your breadcrumb?
Trimmed some of the quote.
kitsune did say generic rather than vanilla but I can't think of another reason to use that word particularly beyond not necessarily knowing that the preferred term here is vanilla. Can you?
Lynching scum is the objective. It's also why I'm hesitant here. Not against, but not exactly for. But I do want to say I'm very wary of making assumptions about what's in a game that is or isn't bastard. We made a lot of assumptions about PPM and they were wrong. Some in Brexit, too. So with this current spate of games, I would recommend against it. I know you're way more experienced in the GAFia meta than I am, but very recent history has turned some shit on its head.
fake edit oh shit a TON of stuff happened and there's a whole new page. whoops.
Blargonaut
Banned
Zubz, who are you gonna Investigate Tonight? Let's get this clear so we don't accidentally look at the same player. Leave Karkador, franconp, Lone_Prodigy and hey_monkey out of your candidate pool, I'll deal.
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
Actually, no; Zubz, limit your own candidate pool to within those 4 players for Tonight. Let's do this scientifically, quadrant by quadrant yeah?
Blargonaut
Banned
I meant quadrat. Sometimes the science escapes even me
Blargonaut
Banned
You know what? I think I actually find franconp more valuable than Kark this game. I'd rather have an active tunneller around than a vague entity.
UNVOTE: franconp
VOTE: Karkador
UNVOTE: franconp
VOTE: Karkador
Blargonaut
Banned
Kitsunelaine, NecktoChicken, what do you think of those 4 players I just name-dropped?
hey_monkey
Banned
hey! I did my two-shot job in PPM! ( •̀ω•́ )σ
Welcome to Blarg. Enjoy your stay.
Okay so... let's get this straight. New claims:
Zubz is a cop - absent anything else, this I could believe. I could believe that before we started seeing role flips and realized the likelihood of at least several, Zubz thought he was maybe a big deal and was also nervous about being a cop. I know I was in lowkey oh-shit mode last game and praying to all the icons that I could at least make it to use my powers, and everyone reacts to that differently. This also scans with what I've experienced with Zubz before when he hit panic mode about something.
It does fit as a possibility with this stuff:
But then the Blarg stuff with lovers throws a wrench into everything. I COULD see it as Zubz, still in panic mode, just decides to go along with it. When you're already flailing, what's another grab?
Some other random thoughts: Bulletproof = vest = investigative role also = a whole like police force type thing? I think that's kind of what Blarg is trying to hint at here but I don't buy that. Unless it is a lovers-without-alignment-guarantee deal, which honestly would not be outside of sense. Zubz might check his partner to be sure, because Blarg is a wildcard. It's also not without precendent for Blarg to take off on a ploy that might involve others without checking in with them first.
So all this is wild and this is my random speculation here but if someone held my feet to the fire and said guess, I'd guess Blarg is scum before I'd guess Zubz is.
I will say - I am very inclined to believe there are weird power/role possibilities in this game from the flips we've seen and from some of the hints that have been dropped. I think that's safer than assuming in the other direction.
Still want to go through Blarg's posts.
Ask yourself at this stage, who do you trust more, blarg or zubz?
Zubz, and this may be due to my very little experience with them, strikes me as a very clueless townie or a headless chicken. There mistakes, most of them at least, don't give me a gut feeling of scum. They give me that cringey feeling of oh I remember my first games of mafia. Now, if it turns out Zubz has an extensive mafia history then this view is wholly incorrect, but that's how I feel on it.
Blarg, genius mastermind that schemes deviously and messes with my head and feelings. Get rid of him ASAP!
Zubz, and this may be due to my very little experience with them, strikes me as a very clueless townie or a headless chicken. There mistakes, most of them at least, don't give me a gut feeling of scum. They give me that cringey feeling of oh I remember my first games of mafia. Now, if it turns out Zubz has an extensive mafia history then this view is wholly incorrect, but that's how I feel on it.
Blarg, genius mastermind that schemes deviously and messes with my head and feelings. Get rid of him ASAP!
Blargonaut
Banned
good Cop, bad Cop, eh? Classic, that. It's a good thing you don't have to pick between us then because doing so's a Bad twofer.
hey_monkey
Banned
I mean, it's true. It is a classic.
I will say this: if Zubz and Blarg are both scum, and there's one other scum, that person is freaking out right now, probably. lol.
Blargonaut
Banned
I like the pace of this game. Very relaxing.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Okay, I can't sleep, saw this, and;
Vanila is a flavour and doesn't deserved to be lumped in with genericness when we mean to say generic. *sniffle*.
why are you still lying about being lovers with zubz?
CornBurrito
Member
I don't even know what game Zubz and Blarg are playing, but I'd lynch either. These actions are just... undesirable.
Night Watch being bulletproof sounds like a required secondary power, so they can survive a Scum attack with info. I thought you said you were experienced?
So much for not being 100%
Blarg, we aren't Lovers. Those were just sweet nothings.
I wanted to avoid discussion when it wasn't needed.
Can do.
Shouldn't we be fireproofing things? Because you're an arsonist?
hey_monkey
Banned
Wait. This isn't lovers - Blarg's clearing that up here.
... That makes sense. And frankly, I'd rather that neither of us die today for the sake of our town. I'm fine with voting Kark to stop the arsonist, but I still think the entire villainous lot is voting for me right now.
I'll go after them tonight if I can make it.
Blargonaut
Banned
melonrabbit
Member
What discussion isn't needed?
Red-flagging scum is entirely your job as cop. You haven't really given a reason why you wouldn't have checked Fran on N1. You think Fran is scum 100%, if had you checked him and gotten a red flag, we'd be up two scum today.
Why are you holding back on your most likely suspect??
Blargonaut
Banned
Huh? What if I was yucky? Then you'd be praising Zubz for catching me figuratively red-handed a la hey_monkey dans Pineapple Pizza [Mafia], rather than heaping accolades on him for putting this task force together, yes?
Zubz'll have his chance at franconp Tonight, don't sweat it.
melonrabbit
Member
You know what exactly what I'm asking him. Stop pretending to be dense. You were barely awake day one and now when Zubz is really on the chopping block you've decided to play?
I'm asking why you - Blarg - over the person Zubz's most confident in being scum. This cop claim is as well thought out as he's other last efforts to save himself.
We are only assuming there's an arsonist because one player claimed to be doused.
Now, would somebody lie about being doused? Sure, if they wanted to cause a huge distraction by making people panic about an arsonist.
To be fair, a real doused player also has little reason not to say they were doused. Even a scum player would be very interested in getting it taken care of (whether by firefighter or lynching the arsonist).
Either way, I think we should wait until a second player has claimed to be doused. Talking about an arsonist today is a distraction, whether that's intentional or not.
Also, I'm not an arsonist. So, lynch me for THAT and you've really just added to this supposed arsonist's bodycount.
Now, would somebody lie about being doused? Sure, if they wanted to cause a huge distraction by making people panic about an arsonist.
To be fair, a real doused player also has little reason not to say they were doused. Even a scum player would be very interested in getting it taken care of (whether by firefighter or lynching the arsonist).
Either way, I think we should wait until a second player has claimed to be doused. Talking about an arsonist today is a distraction, whether that's intentional or not.
Also, I'm not an arsonist. So, lynch me for THAT and you've really just added to this supposed arsonist's bodycount.
weemadarthur
Member
Fran, I dunno what you want from me.
I said earlier that your "catch" of zubz was unconvincing. I said Blarg would absolutely make up roles and stuff to help someone he thought was town.
Now zubz is claiming a particular power role that's oh-so-important instead of just hinting that he has a power role that's oh-so-important, and Blarg is kinda sorta admitting that he made up everything.
I didn't think you were scum, but I did think you were tunneling on the wrong person. So I am scum hunting the people you've abandoned while you stare endlessly into the Blarg abyss. I still haven't seen anything to move Achoo up from "blending scum" into even a null position on my list.
Or maybe you've caught the whole scum team on day two - zubz, blarg, and wee, and we all just openly support each other without any attempt at ... Subtlety.
I don't believe any of the many claims blarg has made, but he is making me laugh, so he makes me happy. XD
I said earlier that your "catch" of zubz was unconvincing. I said Blarg would absolutely make up roles and stuff to help someone he thought was town.
Now zubz is claiming a particular power role that's oh-so-important instead of just hinting that he has a power role that's oh-so-important, and Blarg is kinda sorta admitting that he made up everything.
I didn't think you were scum, but I did think you were tunneling on the wrong person. So I am scum hunting the people you've abandoned while you stare endlessly into the Blarg abyss. I still haven't seen anything to move Achoo up from "blending scum" into even a null position on my list.
Or maybe you've caught the whole scum team on day two - zubz, blarg, and wee, and we all just openly support each other without any attempt at ... Subtlety.
I don't believe any of the many claims blarg has made, but he is making me laugh, so he makes me happy. XD
Blargonaut
Banned
weemadarthur
Member
I kinda did. I certainly IMPLIED it.
Well, that works if the arsonist is a 3-shot before igniting. But this is a 20 member game. What if the arsonist is a 2-shot before igniting? That gives us only one shot at lynching the right person before FOOM.
melonrabbit
Member
No. Maybe once Fat gets sick of it, aha
sry.
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Shouldn't Fat has shot you with all your gifs today?
Blargonaut
Banned
Lol. No, that's really overpowered. It's like claiming a bullerproofed weak cop.
Also Blarg already said that he can Target and it's not a passive ability:
Both of you needs to start talking in the scum chat to make your stories make sense together.
I'm sure Wee is pretty mad at both of you right now.
Blargonaut
Banned
oh yeah, can't rely on anyone these Days
An 2-shot arsonist is kind of nonsense, TBH. You could easily never find them in so short a time and just lose a bunch of people N2 in a seemingly random fashion.
weemadarthur
Member
It would be N3. Ignition and dousing are generally different nights, yes? And it wouldn't be random because the doused are informed. Hard to catch, I'll grant you.
I already explained this: Blarg's inability to be read was a discuss point yesterday. Now we shouldn't need it.
If you say so.
Vote: Karkador
Your only actions so far have been pushing No Kills, even on Day 2, or trying to go Turbo on me. You clearly want the days to end faster. And I'm willing to believe Isaac on being doused. I don't trust his eagerness to agree with Fran. But I trust that.
Then we have two shots at lynching them, not one as you suggest.
It also doesn't make much sense to chase that with no leads at the moment, considering the fuckery happening with Zubz and Blarg right now
weemadarthur
Member
If we follow your advice of ignoring it until it's urgent, we will have only one shot at lynching correctly.
I pushed No Kill D1, not today, as you can clearly see I've had my vote on you for some time.
I don't actually care if the days end faster (and I definitely didn't expect us to Turbo a No Lynch on D1 - I knew I was in for the long haul there). I have just been watching to see who jumps on board your lynch (or doesn't).
I also believe Isaac was doused, for now, but there's not much else to do with that until a second person claims doused.
I seem to be sensing that you are trying to pretend your play hasn't been a complete mess D1 and D2.
melonrabbit
Member
Be honest is this you first game with Blarg?
Blargonaut
Banned
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by franconp
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Alright, let's break this down.
If you assume this arsonist will kill 3 people (two doused + themselves), you could either:
A) Chase after arsonist today with practically no info, and mislynch someone (hint: that's where this is going if I'm lynched). Arsonist douses another person, and if that D3 was spent again mislynching another for the Arsonist, it's 5 deaths total.
B) You wait like a sensible Town for another player to claim doused on D2. Then we have a better idea of whether there's a real arsonist, or it's a scum plot to confuse.
Mind you, the interesting thing about the arsonist is that they can target mafia, too. I would rather watch mafia squirm a bit and get town after this arsonist if they get doused, than off a bunch of people with no real clues.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yet you did vote No Lynch prior to that. On D2.
Blargonaut
Banned
Zubz, remind me to send a memo to the Arson Desk reminding them that it's in their best interests to cooperate with our investigation, because our department is bigger, faster and stronger than yucky Vice right now.
It was a gesture of good luck, since we managed to pull it off on D1, possibly with the help of the No Lynch option being viable. I mean don't let me take too much credit, but it's possible the NL experiment tethered the group to some degree.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Kark, reread their posts. Zubz denies Blarg's assertion and then Blarg said if we lynch him, Zubz will be night killed.
I'm more inclined to believe Zubz is getting dirtied and Blarg is actually scum at this point lol
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Kark, why are you so intent on focusing on the arsonist lol