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[Kalor]

So you are voting him because you think he is the arsonist?

Btw, What do you think about Launch's vote day 1?

Yeah, I think he's the arsonist, or someone that isn't town at the very least.

Launch's vote just seemed like a mistake as he said. Meaning to follow Kark's no lynch but voting for Zubz instead. I don't think anything is amiss there.

 

[acohrs]

It obvious that you don't believe he is ordinary town if you are scum reading him.

When did he lied about the no-lynch?

Better question: How could he lied about the no-lynch?

Exhibits A and B

What's empty about a no lynch vote? You think I'm making an empty gesture?

You seem to not think it's an empty gesture

So while I may have made a flippant joke (sorry about that), let's not be flippant about this.

You're 1) advocating for a blanket "let's just lynch somebody" policy today, which is not uncommon, but

2) you are trying to establish a standard where we don't really have to look at or commit to an alignment today, because "it doesn't matter" or something.

I think there is some psychological basis in saying that people who might have something to lie about are going to try to not commit to a statement where they might have to lie. Thus why you seem to be playing with this idea of nobody claiming alignment. Even if it's a minor point, it's there.

Then Exhibit C

...

Launch seemed pretty aware of what I was doing D1, and we know because some of the few responses he made on D1 were directed at me and my shenanigans. It was some buffoonery that was easy for him to play along with.

...

 

[Karkador]

What would an arsonist have to make showy plays for, on D1 no less? This is the flaw in your reasoning.

 

[Karkador]

Exhibits A and B





Then Exhibit C

How does this show I was lying about a No Lynch?

 

[acohrs]

How does this show I was lying about a No Lynch?

Because you admit it was a nonsense!

 

[Karkador]

I think you're flailing a bit now , acohrs. Unvoted me because the was a clear opportunity to hop off the bus. Now you're back on the bus, and you feel the need to let us know it was for different reasons. The reality is that you re-voted after I called you out. It had some fire to it, you know?

 

[Kalor]

What would an arsonist have to make showy plays for, on D1 no less? This is the flaw in your reasoning.

Maybe the arsonist wanted to see a precedent for making showy plays on the first day so that it wasn't seen as unusual later on.

 

[Karkador]

Because you admit it was a nonsense!

I basically called it silly, and it was more in reference to Launch's POV of just going along with some antics.

That doesn't mean it was a "lie", there was nothing deceptive about what I said.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Is it really that odd that no one asked Blarg about his night target? He picked an active town leader.

Corn is still my biggest scum read.

 

[Karkador]

Maybe the arsonist wanted to see a precedent for making showy plays on the first day so that it wasn't seen as unusual later on.

Why would the arsonist ever need to make showy plays? Thats a weird contingency to make, especially for a role that doesn't really hinge their wincon on what's happening by day.

 

[acohrs]

I think you're flailing a bit now , acohrs. Unvoted me because the was a clear opportunity to hop off the bus. Now you're back on the bus, and you feel the need to let us know it was for different reasons. The reality is that you re-voted after I called you out. It had some fire to it, you know?

Sure, I think anybody reading the thread can see what happened. I think you know that you've lied, sorry "gambited", a bit too much and now you've been called out seriously by somebody, you're doubling down on that person with very little evidence because you know it's the only defence left that you have.

I've presented my arguments and I've placed my vote, so what happens now I'm OK with

 

[melonrabbit]

Is it really that odd that no one asked Blarg about his night target? He picked an active town leader.

Corn is still my biggest scum read.

Yes. No one asked

 

[CornBurrito]

Is it really that odd that no one asked Blarg about his night target? He picked an active town leader.

Corn is still my biggest scum read.

Did I have a dream, because I'm pretty sure someone asked Blarg and he answered.

 

[melonrabbit]

Did I have a dream, because I'm pretty sure someone asked Blarg and he answered.

((

 

[rac]

rough couple of days

don't like the kark vote still

and if blarg hasn't spoken about who he checked could he just be protecting that person?

 

[NeckToChicken]

and if blarg hasn't spoken about who he checked could he just be protecting that person?

He cleared franconp as vanilla with a few lingering suspicions about him maybe being a mafia goon.

franconp is Vanilla.

gotta dig up, friend

Checking the dude who spearheaded the charge against Zubz (who he fought all live long day to save) seemed pretty reasonable to me.

 

[melonrabbit]

Seriously people. I asked. He answered.

Why check Fran?

Through his tunnelling, I felt franconp was ultimately responsible for the loss of Zubz, so I personally had to be sure of what he was. And now I know.

Yes, it took this long for someone to ask this of me. +5 Townie points to melonrabbit

And to answer your question Fran. I scum read Kark. His behavior thus far has been to run out the clock by stalling and no lunches, contributing very little beyond his gambits to nowhereand in general has been playing an anti-town game. Also the justification for this Aco push makes little sense to me.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Doesn't every Kark gambit go the same way? Annoys everyone with it, and then finally comes clean with some sort of justification. It's like those YouTube guys who go "it's just a prank" and try to laugh it off.

You either lunch him for it or you don't.

 

[melonrabbit]

Doesn't every Kark gambit go the same way? Annoys everyone with it, and then finally comes clean with some sort of justification. It's like those YouTube guys who go "it's just a prank" and try to laugh it off.

You either lunch him for it or you don't.

Well, lunch is on him at the moment.

How do you feel about aco, LP?

 

[NeckToChicken]

Savez-vous quoi? You all know who you are, we're all so old now. How about we ask the interns what they think

Honestly? I'm a bit uncertain where to go next. I came into this day planning to put the screws to Launchpad, but he's been acting the town part as the day went on. I'm thinking of unvoting him, something I was convinced wouldn't happen at day's start.

The Karkador plan seems like something within the realm of possibility, so I'm hesitant to jump on him. It seems like exactly the sort of thing someone with a vanilla role might pull to try to leverage their expendable status. Hell, the no lynch shenanigans attracted you, Zubz, and... rac? Nin for a while? I don't want to alarm you, rac, but I think you may be the next beneficiary of the no lynch curse.

acohrs was on my scum list, as you may see later, but I'm having trouble parsing exactly what this latest fight with Kark was over. Seems to doubt Kark, which isn't necessarily a scum position. Most people don't like having their chain jerked. Might be flailing, as Kark says. But is the flailing a scum move to take Kark down or the moves of someone pushed into the thunderdome?

There's a few people I hold a small suspicion against (LP, Kalor) pushing against Corn. This is either me being totally wrong about them, about Corn, or IT'S ALL CONNECTED KALOR IS SNAKE. i.e. I don't have jack on that front.

 

[Karkador]

Seriously people. I asked. He answered.





And to answer your question Fran. I scum read Kark. His behavior thus far has been to run out the clock by stalling and no lunches, contributing very little beyond his gambits to nowhereand in general has been playing an anti-town game. Also the justification for this Aco push makes little sense to me.

If you're not willing to read into what I'm saying, that's fine. It's your subjective opinion. I disagree that I have "contributed very little".

Objectively, though, your claim that I'm "running the clock" has no basis. I'm #6 in post count. I'm sorry, but if your charge is that I'm wasting your time by posting a lot and getting us nowhere, then I suggest you also look at the 5 other people ahead of me on that.

And if you're going to say "well, those Top 5 are obviously pulling more weight than you", then what can we say about you with nearly half their posts?

 

[Dusk Soldier]

So kark was just a bored townie. Ok then

unvote

moving things along

vote:rac

 

[franconp]

I never bluffed, so i don't know what you mean by calling it. I said I was doused to finish the conclusion that the game does have an arsonist. You thought I was being vague; that wasn't my intention. It sounded perfectly obvious in my head. But you asked if I was claiming to be doused, and I confirmed it, because that was my intent. THEN you decided to counterclaim fakely. It would only be a bluff if you counterclaimed ahead of my being clearer, so you could see whether I'd commit THEN. As is, the play makes no sense.

I said straight out that I didn't believe you had been doused.
But I didn't know for a fact you were lying; I haven't read the arsonist role card. I took a moment for weird role speculation, determined it to be unlikely, and concluded you must be lying. Do you know what the PM DIDN'T say? It DIDN'T say 'you're the only person who got doused tonight.'

Kark's play never made much sense for a mafia. He has wanted to keep people from dying, delay looking for the arsonist, and more delay looking for the arsonist. If he is the arsonist, this play makes perfect sense. If not, he's role playing one and I can't figure out why.

So you want to lynch Kark because you think he is the arsonist? This is why I asked that question before. I find it really weird that, after spending 2 days tunnelling hard on Acorhs, you vote Kark and not your actual scum read.

This remind me of me in Gafia 3. I selected a target day 1 and keep talking about him and voting him all the days. But really I didn't wanted him lynched. I just wanted something to talk about and where I could place my vote without raising anyones red flag. Just for the record, I was scum there.

 

[weemadarthur]

So you want to lynch Kark because you think he is the arsonist? This is why I asked that question before. I find it really weird that, after spending 2 days tunnelling hard on Acorhs, you vote Kark and not your actual scum read.

This remind me of me in Gafia 3. I selected a target day 1 and keep talking about him and voting him all the days. But really I didn't wanted him lynched. I just wanted something to talk about and where I could place my vote without raising anyones red flag. Just for the record, I was scum there.

I still say Achoo is scum, btw. I just...happen to not want to die, so, I'm voting for Kark. But I am happy to see Achoo or Launchpad go. Launchpad with his "let's kill the cop to punish bad play" attitude. Achoo who barely shows up although he normally has a lot to say.

Been open about my reasoning and motivations all day.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Well, lunch is on him at the moment.

How do you feel about aco, LP?

Cewyn vote bought him some goodwill but means nothing if he's the neutral.

 

[melonrabbit]

If you're not willing to read into what I'm saying, that's fine. It's your subjective opinion. I disagree that I have "contributed very little".

Objectively, though, your claim that I'm "running the clock" has no basis. I'm #6 in post count. I'm sorry, but if your charge is that I'm wasting your time by posting a lot and getting us nowhere, then I suggest you also look at the 5 other people ahead of me on that.

And if you're going to say "well, those Top 5 are obviously pulling more weight than you", then what can we say about you with nearly half their posts?

No one said anything about post counts. Interesting you're quick to be defensive about how much you've been posting.

My "running the clock" comment has nothing to do with how much you're posting. Rather, I'm referring to your tendency this game to waste town's time on gambits that seem to benefit no one but yourself and your own amusement. You spent a huge portion of D1 on your no lunch push and again tried it on D2. Here we are D3 and your "calling bluffs" on players for what... how exactly did that pay off? Somehow aco is the arsonist??

I'm trying to understand how this has been useful time spent. I see no one else other than Blarg playing this way and he's actually gotten to the point quicker than you.

Disagree or agree that's what I'm saying.

 

[melonrabbit]

Cewyn vote bought him some goodwill but means nothing if he's the neutral.

So do you think he is netural then? Or are you unwilling to comment more at the moment?

 

[Blargonaut]

No one said anything about post counts. Interesting you're quick to be defensive about how much you've been posting.

My "running the clock" comment has nothing to do with how much you're posting. Rather, I'm referring to your tendency this game to waste town's time on gambits that seem to benefit no one but yourself and your own amusement. You spent a huge portion of D1 on your no lunch push and again tried it on D2. Here we are D3 and your "calling bluffs" on players for what... how exactly did that pay off? Somehow aco is the arsonist??

I'm trying to understand how this has been useful time spent. I see no one else other than Blarg playing this way and he's actually gotten to the point quicker than you.

Disagree or agree that's what I'm saying.

 

[Blargonaut]

Ask me if I believe Karkador

 

[Blargonaut]

I say, now that Karkador has Role-claimed, we pressure weemad to Role-claim as well

 

[Karkador]

Ask me if I believe Karkador

Do you believe Karkador?

 

[Blargonaut]

Do you believe Karkador?

I "believe" Karkador.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

So do you think he is netural then? Or are you unwilling to comment more at the moment?

I concede that he may not be mafia, but I really don't have any idea on who the neutral is right now.

 

[Blargonaut]

*snip*

acohrs was on my scum list, as you may see later, but I'm having trouble parsing exactly what this latest fight with Kark was over. Seems to doubt Kark, which isn't necessarily a scum position. Most people don't like having their chain jerked. Might be flailing, as Kark says. But is the flailing a scum move to take Kark down or the moves of someone pushed into the thunderdome?

*snip*

I shot off a flare above acohrs' supply cache and Kark's starving eyes lit up with the hope, see? Kark regards my acohrs push as his best way out of Today. Along with the plainest Role-claim ever. He's attempting to escape along the safest route.

But I'm actually inclined to BELIEVE in his intentions. Why would a Mafia fake-claim Doused?

 

[Blargonaut]

*amend*

But I'm actually inclined to BELIEVE in his intentions. Why would a Mafia fake-claim Doused--*

*--then admit it?

 

[Karkador]

Why would a Mafia fake-claim Doused?

I can think of a couple:

1) As a complete fabrication of the arsonist role. If each mafia player keeps claiming doused the next day, there's enough panic set in to distract from scumhunting.

or

2) As a sort of proxy douse claim. One mafia member gets doused, they might decide for another mafia player to claim it, maybe someone better at deflection. If someone acts weird about it, they may have then found the arsonist.

 

[Blargonaut]

I can think of a couple:

1) As a complete fabrication of the arsonist role. If each mafia player keeps claiming doused the next day, there's enough panic set in to distract from scumhunting.

or

2) As a sort of proxy douse claim. One mafia member gets doused, they might decide for another mafia player to claim it, maybe someone better at deflection. If someone acts weird about it, they may have then found the arsonist.

I wasn't asking you rhetorically

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Mafia would publicly push to find the arsonist if one of their own was doused.

I'm not entirely sure if this is what we have here, but I'd like to aim elsewhere to make them sweat a bit.

If we can force mafia to shoot their suspected arsonist, even better.

 

[acohrs]

I don't like Blarg's new avatar, it scares me...

 

[Blargonaut]

If you're Doused and are the Doctor, please reveal yourself

 

[franconp]

I really don't like the idea of trying to kill the arsonist instead of scum. What happens if we lynch Kark and he is truly a vanilla townie? Will we spend all day 4 still looking for the arsonist? Scum will be happy to do it, as it takes the pressure out of them and also could make them look active and cooperative.

Vote: LaunchpadMcQ

I don't like his vote day 1. The reasons was weak, the mistake was more weak and the timming was suspicious. He voted Zubz when his lynch was lossing steam and Cewyn's was seen as a better option.

I won't be around for day's end. So this will be probably my definitive vote today.

 

[kitsunelaine]

Y'know what? Reading Fran's post convinced me.

Vote: LaunchpadMcQ

 

[kitsunelaine]

I know it seems scummish to just kinda tag along with someone like that, but I honestly don't have much original thought to put behind this vote. Everyone else has talked it out to death and I felt like just talking wouldn't really add much. I've been reading, just... There hasn't been much for me to add. I think Krack is the Arsonist, still, but I don't like the way Launch looks.

 

[kitsunelaine]

I would like to go on the record that I'm sure, while I'm too gay for him, Launchpad is probably a fairly nice looking man. I just don't like the way he looks scum-wise.

 

[acohrs]

I would like to go on the record that I'm sure, while I'm too gay for him, Launchpad is probably a fairly nice looking man. I just don't like the way he looks scum-wise.

.

 

[Fat4all]

I'm 'too gay' for Chris Evans.

 

[Blargonaut]

I really don't like the idea of trying to kill the arsonist instead of scum. What happens if we lynch Kark and he is truly a vanilla townie? Will we spend all day 4 still looking for the arsonist? Scum will be happy to do it, as it takes the pressure out of them and also could make them look active and cooperative.

Vote: LaunchpadMcQ

I don't like his vote day 1. The reasons was weak, the mistake was more weak and the timming was suspicious. He voted Zubz when his lynch was lossing steam and Cewyn's was seen as a better option.

I won't be around for day's end. So this will be probably my definitive vote today.

Y'know what? Reading Fran's post convinced me.

Vote: LaunchpadMcQ

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I honestly think you guys have the best intentions, but I'm a waste of a lynch.

 

[acohrs]

.

Still scaring me!

 

[kitsunelaine]

Still scaring me!

Of course it is. It's a spooky ghost. Just like some of us will be by the end of this game. (oooooo.)