CambriaRising
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Yeah but look at the great games that are part of that 70 figure. My point was that no one is looking at the entire library to make a choice, they are looking at a few games that make them want to buy the system.
Just what is Sony doing with Vita? If they've given-up, they should just kill it.
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Yeah but look at the great games that are part of that 70 figure. My point was that no one is looking at the entire library to make a choice, they are looking at a few games that make them want to buy the system.
I've been waiting for a good reason to buy a Vita since launch, but it hasn't come yet (for me). As much as I know I'd enjoy WipeEout 2048, Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Gravity Rush, three games is not enough for me to justify buying a new console. There doesn't seem to be anything 'must have' on the horizon either.
I feel pretty much the same about my 3DS at the moment, but at least we're guaranteed some great Nintendo games for it. Actually the upcoming games list for it is starting to look pretty decent.
I feel pretty much the same about my 3DS at the moment, but at least we're guaranteed some great Nintendo games for it. Actually the upcoming games list for it is starting to look pretty decent.
Sorry Hitman, Halo 4, COD, and PS All stars? Oh and AC3 and Dishonored?
Yeah no. Dismissed
Canis lupus
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There are bundles releasing, and there is a White color, and no they said there wouldn't be a pricecut months ago.
The AC:L thread sort of confirmed the Vita's identity crisis for me. For all the "console on the go" claims, when reviews started dinging AC:L for being inferior to the console version there was some protest that it was unfair to compare the game to anything other than handheld standards. The Vita is trying to be a console in your hands, but the compromises involved make the experience imperfect and it winds up appealing to only a small subset of gamers. Which probably would have still worked out in Japan, except Sony doubled down on the West and expected 3rd parties to support the platform in Japan. The western market at large didn't bite on the compromised console experience, 3rd parties in Japan were lukewarm on the Vita, and now here we are.
I mean that whenever anyone says "lol Japan has bad taste in gaming" I'll say "yeah, the West prefers Angry Birds over Dragon Quest".
When someone makes this kind of comment that actually shows how misinformed they are they should be expelled from the thread because you know they are blinding themselves to the actual topic.
Do you remember the PSN outage? What did Sony do?
What you did is the same thing as if I had come and said that Nintendo never acknowledged the 3DS had a slow start, which is a big lie since they cut the price down and announced the Ambassador program.
If you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about then why come here in the first place? You read "Vita" and "doom" in the same paragraph and felt like this thread was going to be food for your hatred? If you think the PSN outage was "minor news" then I don't really know what to say to you other than to leave this thread because of your ignorance.
Supermanisdead
Member
There's also the third argument "The Vita has no games, it sucks, kill it with fire!!"...
But, yeah. There's not much to discuss.
A. If you're enjoying yours, you're just a fanboy trying to justify the purchase of a $250+ paperweight.
B. If you try to discuss it on the topic of sales, you're just SalesGAF interested in numbers, more than games!!!
C. If you don't like it, even if you have one you're just a fanboy of [insert opposite console/handheld here] and proceed to quote older posts from that user as evidence.
I'm in "A", I guess. Same way I can't I like Resident Evil 6 because "lol avatar quote". So...whatever happens, we all lose.
Agree with this.
It goes back to expectations. Contrary to what even Sony is doing, I don't want or expect a "portable PS3 in my hands", which is why I guess I'm loving mine.
Same happened with Call of Duty.
Last year, many around here were discussing the possibilities of playing multiplayer over 3G while in Starbucks, console parity with the PS3 version, a port of the PS3 version...and here we are now, with a spinoff that is basically the opposite they wished.
At the same time been contradictory. Becuase on every Call of Duty thread there's the "lol people play story in CoD?" and "lol they should sell the game as multiplayer only"..and yet, the Vita version is getting hate (aside the developer, and the cuts and the expected-low-quality of the game); becuase "what? there's no campaign story?! WTF Nihilistic!!".
I bought the thing for Gravity Rush and Persona 4 Golden, as well as to play PSP titles I never got to. It's delivered on that aspect and I personally don't focus enough on handhelds to be too worked up over the library.
I think the device isn't going to really ever be a success, but it's doing what I want it to do and that's enough for me.
I think the device isn't going to really ever be a success, but it's doing what I want it to do and that's enough for me.
Canis lupus
Member
Yeah, why?
1. there is an assassins creed bundle, which is the same cost as the vita alone, so it is technically a reduced price vita (i think it might even include a memory stick).
2. there is a white vita.
3. the system has playstation all-stars, assassins creed, need for speed, uncharted, wipeout, hot shots, gravity daze, persona 4, etc.. there are plenty of sweet titles.
not really, because the 3DS situation is comparable to the Vita one, hence why I made the comment in the first place
alright, the PSN outage was a good example of them owning up, i'll give you that. To be fair if a company didnt do that with an incident like that they'd pretty much lose all credibility the next day.
The problem with the Vita stuff is that they arent doing anything about it beyond Yoshida admitting that 3rd party support isnt that strong. They are saying a price drop isnt needed and that we wont see one for a while. I just really, really think it needs it and that they know this, but chose to act as if nothing bad was happening instead of coming out and saying "we know it needs a price drop but we cant fucking do it yet"
as a side comment to your first sentence: god forbid someone comes into a thread without COMPLETE 100% SONY STATEMENT KNOWLEDGE completely open and welcoming the idea of being proven wrong. I forgot the elitism this thread required
someone please grab dirty Salsa and expell him from the thread at once!
chertipros
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You can have whatever opinion you want on the quality of those games but I hope you know that those games are the big AAA titles the vita needs this holiday season to ensure success
I'll probably put more time into two Vita titles coming out this month (DJMax Technika Tune, Persona 4 Golden) than the entire time I've spent with my 3DS. Those two plus Lumines were reason enough to pick one up for me - the hardware is, as you mention, pretty great.
Software has been slow coming with nothing truly spectacular but that's pretty standard for handhelds in the first year. There's actually a decent amount of variety and quality available, depending on tastes. They're starting to push more games in the $5-$15 range as well, which is a nice sweet spot for developers targeting the platform down the road.
Sony selling the thing is a different story. Not showcasing Vita at E3 was a major misstep. Price is still too high for mass market, and the steep markup for memory is insulting. If there's any sense of urgency over there about how to make Vita more attractive to consumers, it's not really coming though. I do like the AC ad running in the U.S. but it's going to take quite a bit more to overcome the lingering perception that "Vita has no games."
Software has been slow coming with nothing truly spectacular but that's pretty standard for handhelds in the first year. There's actually a decent amount of variety and quality available, depending on tastes. They're starting to push more games in the $5-$15 range as well, which is a nice sweet spot for developers targeting the platform down the road.
Sony selling the thing is a different story. Not showcasing Vita at E3 was a major misstep. Price is still too high for mass market, and the steep markup for memory is insulting. If there's any sense of urgency over there about how to make Vita more attractive to consumers, it's not really coming though. I do like the AC ad running in the U.S. but it's going to take quite a bit more to overcome the lingering perception that "Vita has no games."
Though sales have been far from phenomenal, I have a hunch that they're at least breaking even on the Vita when you include memory cards, digital transactions and the people who do own Vita's being enthusiasts who can be counted on to regularly spend money on games.
My hunch is that Sony in general is tightening its budgets across the board, and since the Vita isn't costing them anything (financially), they're just waiting until the absolute last moment to jump in and do something. I don't know if they have more bundles planned, or if they know something we dont about retailer deals, but they clearly expect sales to do something this holiday season. Christmas miracle?
We've already discusses to death how they're creating a vicious catch-22 of low sales leading to low support (which leads to low sales), and realistically, they could fix things in a heart beat by doing exactly what Nintendo did. A lot of people would like a Vita, and Sony's job should be convincing them to jump on it instead of waiting around any longer. If they don't, they're going to continue circling like vultures.
My hunch is that Sony in general is tightening its budgets across the board, and since the Vita isn't costing them anything (financially), they're just waiting until the absolute last moment to jump in and do something. I don't know if they have more bundles planned, or if they know something we dont about retailer deals, but they clearly expect sales to do something this holiday season. Christmas miracle?
We've already discusses to death how they're creating a vicious catch-22 of low sales leading to low support (which leads to low sales), and realistically, they could fix things in a heart beat by doing exactly what Nintendo did. A lot of people would like a Vita, and Sony's job should be convincing them to jump on it instead of waiting around any longer. If they don't, they're going to continue circling like vultures.
shira
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diffusionx
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Well PSV is much better than PSP for PS1 games in terms of controls to, but yea nobody is gonna buy a PSV to get a bunch of 15 year old games.
The exact same stuff people are saying about Vita today people were saying about 3DS last year. Then Nintendo released Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 and all of the sudden the 3DS has a vast rich library.
Vita has plenty of good games but nothing to really stand out. It just needs one or two big games to make people notice all the other stuff out there.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Not really.
The Vita is honestly the most I've ever used and enjoyed a system within a year of its launch. I own more games and enjoy more games on it than any other handheld I've ever owned. Been busy as a bee enjoying it since I've bought especially in October and now going into the holidays.
And I realize that it's far from a commercial success. But I honestly don't care about and really neither should anybody else. If you can't enjoy a system that is not selling well in spite of the games already on the platform (and continuing to come out on the platform) then there is probably something with you.
I must be in the minority here... but I really like my Vita. For me, it really helps with getting in game time while on the go. I typically only have three hours at night to devote to gaming, thanks to home and family responsibilities. So having a near console experience in the pocket (of my bag) fits my lifestyle perfectly. Nothing beats gaming at work.
God forbid someone in their ignorance accuse a company of something so blatantly right?
And yeah now that someone proved you wrong you come and downplay it by saying "of course they had to do that in that situation" after claiming that they wouldn't acknowledge a problem.
Even if the game was awesome (Which from everything we've seen/heard, it's definitely not), it still wouldn't be anything close to a 'gamechanger'.Uh you forgot the gamechanger
DeaconKnowledge
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Vita is the first platform Sony has had since the PS1 in which 3rd party support wasn't a foregone conclusion.
Apparently vita won't turn around guys, Peff confirmed a slow start is a false analogy, even has proof.
I really think this could turn around surprisingly quickly with the right circumstances..vita being available is one of them Apple had a decent idea, decent product and then flooooooooooooded the world with ads and use in tv/movies.. That's the biggest difference Imo. Sony underestimate the power of ads in the west.
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I really think this could turn around surprisingly quickly with the right circumstances..vita being available is one of them
Apple had a decent idea, decent product and then flooooooooooooded the world with ads and use in tv/movies.. That's the biggest difference Imo. Sony underestimate the power of ads in the west.Currygan said:
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Nobody who posts in a sales thread about how they "don't care about sales" is being honest, ever.
Uh you forgot the gamechanger
Can't believe I did that .. Yes #gamechanger
Uh you forgot the gamechanger
Vita saved! On a serious note, I wonder if it will reach a million units (Given Vita's install base that goal seems... challenging... even for CoD)
TheBioLover
Member
That's pretty sad that someone actually bothered to make that.
I wouldn't say that.
I mean yeah, you can enjoy the system now, but it would be perfectly understandable if someone gets a bit bummed out by how it's doing seeing that as an indicator of the amount of support the system will get in the future (especially when you consider how much the Vita costs).
Dead @ Ninty fans in here who will never buy one period.
Dismissed until further notice
#Neaux1Curr
Winnie the Pimp
Member
Exactly! Get off your ass Sony and make it happen, dump some money into this thing if you want to see returns!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I think those that don't care for sales are of the "I don't but I kinda do" in their interest area's.
They should if they want more games on the system. What's there at the moment isn't near enough.
RoninChaos
Member
If so many people are echoing this persons sentiment, there might be something to this.
Like always: Vita topic saying it's doomed; Vita defenders coming up; iOS fans / delusional Vita fans saying both the handhelds are beyond bad; 3DS fans coming up and defending 3DS; hard fact ( sales ) posted; people saying "WHO CARES!!!I PLAY IT!!!11!!!", and then this repeats, and repeats, and repeats...
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
THE NEVERENDING CYCLE
So in other words, it's completely and utterly bollocks?
Canis lupus
Member
Indeed, we go there to talk about our games and Vitas. People shouldn't begrudge the enjoyment of Vita owners.
Yeah, I never get the whole "gamers shouldn't care about the success of companies" statement/line of thinking.
Unless you want to continue to buy systems that last only 2-3 years tops, you kind of have to care about it in some way.
Colonel Mustard
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Roto owns a Vita. You're a tool.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Only thing I could see helping Vita is a platform shift. Sell Xperia Vita phones, and open it up to Samsung to sell phones with the Vita/PSN app/gaming environment as well. Basically, NGAGE it.
No, that isn't the problem at all. Hardware doesn't do anything without software. You can't expect someone to buy a system just to look at it, dreaming wistfully of its potential.
You may have known of Iwata's apology due to the fact that Nintendo follows that up with a course of action. They did the $80 price cut, the ambassador program, and a few weeks later announced that the largest Japanese third party franchise would be coming to 3DS. As I said, Sony's probably not in a position to do the $80 price cut with Vita, and even if they were the software that sells hardware just isn't there. There were Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty games on PSP, they didn't light the world on fire. PSP's best sellers were from Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, Monster Hunter, and God of War. Of that five, only a single one of them has an entry announced for Vita thus far. That single entry, unfortunately for Vita, is an HD port that'll be shared with PS3.
iunno lol this thread is going exactly like what the pic says.
I can place all the different posts in this thread under the same four categories.
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